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No settings adjustments solve this then? Blacks remain raised?

No way am I upgrading but I feel this is completely unacceptable as it would mean that LG is basically ruining the TV. Perfect blacks ARE the reason to get an OLED. Without that, what are you left with? No amount of glow is acceptable in this case.
I wonder if getting into the service menu and lowering the sub b from 128 to 127 or 126 would help counter act the 0 black glow? Might be worth a try. I've got the Service Remote but haven't had time to download the new firmware yet. Anyone else want to try and let us kno?. I'll type up the steps if any one doesn't know how. But this is what we've been doing in the "How to enhance near black level" thread.

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No settings adjustments solve this then? Blacks remain raised?

No way am I upgrading but I feel this is completely unacceptable as it would mean that LG is basically ruining the TV. Perfect blacks ARE the reason to get an OLED. Without that, what are you left with? No amount of glow is acceptable in this case.
I wonder if getting into the service menu and lowering the sub b from 128 to 127 or 126 would help counter act the 0 black glow? Might be worth a try. I've got the Service Remote but haven't had time to download the new firmware yet. Anyone else want to try and let us kno?. I'll type up the steps if any one doesn't know how. But this is what we've been doing in the "How to enhance near black level" thread.
I think someone here have already tried. Sub brightness doesn't solve it.
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I think someone here have already tried. Sub brightness doesn't solve it.
Shoot? Ok thanks for letting me know.

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So the US-FW and the EU-FW are the same....
I wrote to LG about the problem, maybe everyone should do this. Maybe we´ll get a FW to solve this...
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I think someone here have already tried. Sub brightness doesn't solve it.
This is only for the B6 correct? I had no issues like this on my C6 with the most recent firmware for it, even before it was calibrated by Chad B.

Please always try to state if you have a B or a C since the chipsets and firmware are different.

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So the US-FW and the EU-FW are the same....
I wrote to LG about the problem, maybe everyone should do this. Maybe we?ll get a FW to solve this...
I haven't noticed it in any watching yet. If true LG needs to correct it.
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So for me the new 05.30.03 firmware containing HLG isn't worth down loading because apparently we're getting raised black levels. I'll keep my B6 at the 04.31.20 firmware until we can confirm what exactly is going on with the 0 black levels. I'm referring to my B6 just in case the C6 people are wondering.

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I haven't noticed it in any watching yet. If true LG needs to correct it.
To be honest, I haven't noticed any glow either. I ran through some dark content, near black slides (0-5%), it all looked fine. In a dark room, although maybe my room doesn't get as pitch black as some of you.
I did notice what I think some people may be complaining about with Vudu DV, frame slips or slight glitches. I actually never saw this before the update but noticed it a couple times after the update. But it wasn't constant. Strange.

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For those of you with the C6, if you haven't already, watch Gravity 3D on it. Holy crap that movie looks amazing on this set.
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Any idea how accurate this may or may not be? I haven't caught up on every post in this thread, so maybe this is old news here.

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I have some news about HDR GAME for 2016 OLEDs
Yesterday i meassured the color gamut, at normal (Auto) and 55 as default, it was off place, so i started to test with Wide, i ended discovering that using WIDE and color at 52 is the best way to use HDR10 on this TV, not only for games, but also for movie playback, here's why

  • I observed that on some movies/games (like FFXV), HDR standard seems to have a really bad EOTF curve for tone mapping, that causes that on really bright scenes, like the ones with a sun (This can be seen specially on FFXV sun), there's like a glare sphere, like it can't decode the scene and it clips hard, so i suppose HDR Game does not have this problem because how his EOTF curve/Tone mapping is
  • Even if i match the color clipping for HDR Standard and HDR Game, HDR Standard still clips detail, while HDR Game not
  • HDR Standard looks brighter than HDR Game because it is, about 100 nits brighter (Even using Dynamic Contrast to high, which by the way is the one that has to be used), still it looks good
  • The way HDR Game is done, makes Dynamic Contrast something that we can allow, not like using it on HDR Standard, since the way it's done, it looks better than with HDR Standard, better gamma and less problems, so for dark movies is WAY better than HDR Standard which have huge gamma problems on darkest ires (127 has like 140% gamma, insanely dark)
  • Even with Dynamic Contrast high, even RED, the color that clips faster, shows up to 850nits without problems, and for black clipping, it shows without any problems up to 1%
  • On games with HDR Calibration like Resident Evil or Battlefield we have to set the number to 850 AT MAX, do not try to match the white square, this is because white clips at 2000 easily, while the rest of the colors not, so set it to 850 to make it look as it should, without clip any detail
  • By using this settings, all you have to do is leave in-game brightness as default you were using for HDR Standard, don't change it for HDR GAME
  • Since Dynamic Contrast makes everything more "white", that also affect to the colours, thats why people says it looks "washed out", because it is, so thats why you need Color 52 + WIDE color gamut (Not normal)

To resume it:

HDR GAME + Wide Color Gamut + Brightness 51 + Color 52 + Warm 46 + Dynamic Contrast High is WAY BETTER than any other HDR mode (In case of black glow, enter in service menu and set the sub-brightness to 126 and use brightness 52 instead 51 and Contrast to 99 to avoid the black glow, be ware that sub-brightness applies to SDR/HDR)

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Contrast 99
Brightness 52 (Sub-brightness 126 on service menu, if not use brightness 50 or 51, depending if you see black glow on pure black HDR scene)
Color 52
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Color Gamut WIDE
Black level Low
Sharpness 10
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Hope this helps to anyone who have any doubt about HDR GAME, it is BY FAR the best HDR mode

Anyway, what i think is we all should ask if for the HDR10 Active LG 2017 algorythm, it's not something they cannot implement like they have done with HLG, we should ask for it
https://www.avforums.com/threads/bes...-game.2121116/

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I must say that the glow issue is somewhat hard to spot. At first I thought that my set was perfectly fine. And that is not the only issue. The HDR in PC mode was completely ruined. I have a B6 model by the way.
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Did you guys try using the built in you tube app and playing "10 hours and 1 second of pure black screen" to measure the black levels?

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Did you guys try using the built in you tube app and playing "10 hours and 1 second of pure black screen" to measure the black levels?
Why would you use Youtube to measure anything?
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When checking black levels, it's important to use actual calibration test patterns that have the proper video levels. In most cases, youtube and other sources aren't good enough. You can find free ones here:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-di...libration.html

Just extract to a folder, place on USB flash drive, and use the TV's USB port. Make sure to turn off all picture setting enhancements (basically, any setting that has an OFF option, use it).

You want the 0% black field found in the grayscale folders.
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When checking black levels, it's important to use actual calibration test patterns that have the proper video levels. In most cases, youtube and other sources aren't good enough. You can find free ones here:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-di...libration.html

Just extract to a folder, place on USB flash drive, and use the TV's USB port. Make sure to turn off all picture setting enhancements (basically, any setting that has an OFF option, use it).

You want the 0% black field found in the grayscale folders.
Thank you! This will be very helpful! Are you getting a glow at all on absolute black?

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Any idea how accurate this may or may not be? I haven't caught up on every post in this thread, so maybe this is old news here.

https://www.avforums.com/threads/bes...-game.2121116/

While supposedly not technically correct, i've been using Wide Color Gamut for all HDR content for a while and prefer it...even if I get a bit of over saturation..it just looks better in HDR content IMHO.
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Were you testing on a 4K or 1080p pattern?
It was a couple different pics and times. I got them off google (all I needed was for it to have fine lines dim white on a dimmer gray background). I downloaded onto usb and used the tvs player. For my plasma I used 1080 x 1920 and for my b6 I can easily see lack of blur and ringing all the way to 10 when playing 1080p calibration files through b6's usb player and also when in content.

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4k HDR Apple TV with dolby vision has been announced! No word on Atmos yet though dammit
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4k HDR Apple TV with dolby vision has been announced! No word on Atmos yet though dammit
Tech specs on Apple Store suggest it can carry Dolby Digital Plus (e-ac-3) so Atmos plus Dolby Vision is here for our 2016 sets!!!!
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Tech specs on Apple Store suggest it can carry Dolby Digital Plus (e-ac-3) so Atmos plus Dolby Vision is here for our 2016 sets!!!!
Assuming Apple decided to add 24p support into the device (which they traditionally haven't done before.) Remember, that was a big holdup for the Chromecast Ultra, our TVs won't accept 60p Dolby Vision.
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Most movies do...lol
Yes but Gravity in particular is a good choice because of the deep black levels of space

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But remember, you really can only see it in a pitch black room with a 0IRE pattern, no other content should be on the display. Even a pause-icon is too much to see the display glow in the dark. Try it for yourself, will be pretty interesting to hear your impressions...
If you need to see Malevich Sqare in absolutely dark room why its even boring you, you will never see dark matter in the real life.

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It was a couple different pics and times. I got them off google (all I needed was for it to have fine lines dim white on a dimmer gray background). I downloaded onto usb and used the tvs player. For my plasma I used 1080 x 1920 and for my b6 I can easily see lack of blur and ringing all the way to 10 when playing 1080p calibration files through b6's usb player and also when in content.

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There's going to be a difference between using native and non native content in terms of what you can or can not see.

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To be honest, I haven't noticed any glow either. I ran through some dark content, near black slides (0-5%), it all looked fine. In a dark room, although maybe my room doesn't get as pitch black as some of you.
I did notice what I think some people may be complaining about with Vudu DV, frame slips or slight glitches. I actually never saw this before the update but noticed it a couple times after the update. But it wasn't constant. Strange.
I think the Vudu frame skips are the Vudu app itself. I noticed that issue on my Sony x800 for just about any content; it doesn't happen enough to be noticeable. It stands to reason that since there has been such a lag between firmwares for the B6 that the X800 had a newer version of Vudu, given it was released after the B6.
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05.30.03 may have fixed Yamaha ARC dropout issues

So, 05.30.03 is looking very promising so far. I had constant audio dropout issues in Netflix, Vudu, Amazon, etc, when outputting ARC or Toslink to my Yamaha A760. The B6 was the only device that did this.

The issue seemed to manifest most often when the audio content was most dense, which implies that there was a bug in the downmixing the B6 does on DD+ content (sadly, it still only outputs in DD 5.1) that maybe needed to be optimized. Good test content are the closing credits for MST3K's new season as well as most 4k VUDU content since that's an Atmos mix (the opening sequence in Lucy, with its massive bass content, always triggered dropouts).

Been about 10 minutes so far and no dropouts. Will keep monitoring, but things are looking good for those of us with Yamaha receivers.

EDIT: May have spoke too soon; the Amazon app still has issues, but it's possible this is an Amazon thing with how their app wants to do HDCP handshakes. That Vudu and Netflix seem flawless now leads me to believe that this issue may have been the content providers and how they interacted with the audio chip on the B6. Amazon's app tends to be general rubbish most of the time anyway (I suspect this is on purpose so people are driven to the Amazon Fire TV), so I'm not surprised there. Disappointing, though, given I'm a huge Top Gear / Grand Tour fan and that's only on Amazon.

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Assuming Apple decided to add 24p support into the device (which they traditionally haven't done before.) Remember, that was a big holdup for the Chromecast Ultra, our TVs won't accept 60p Dolby Vision.
Fair point indeed. Afraid I got prematurely excited for a minute there
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I did notice what I think some people may be complaining about with Vudu DV, frame slips or slight glitches. I actually never saw this before the update but noticed it a couple times after the update. But it wasn't constant. Strange.
Give the Home button a "long press" to access the Recent Activity menu. Quit the apps that are listed by clicking the "x" that pops up when pointing to the app. Vudu will run fine afterwards.

I have found that it's not necessarily the firmware, but rather apps that don't quit as they should and continue to hog system resources.

It's my guess that the newer firmwares for both the C6 and B6 have fattened the OS to the point that you can't have multiple apps running in the background without causing issues...
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Give the Home button a "long press" to access the Recent Activity menu. Quit the apps that are listed by clicking the "x" that pops up when pointing to the app. Vudu will run fine afterwards.

I have found that it's not necessarily the firmware, but rather apps that don't quit as they should and continue to hog system resources.

It's my guess that the newer firmwares for both the C6 and B6 have fattened the OS to the point that you can't have multiple apps running in the background without causing issues...
Awesome! Thanks for the tip. I'll try when I get back in town.

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Thank you! This will be very helpful! Are you getting a glow at all on absolute black?
I pulled up a 0% black. Before I was able to have my brightness at about 52 without no glow in a pitch black room. Now with the latest B6 update, I notice a glow on 52/51 brightness. 50 returns my panel back to deep black with no glow whatsoever. Honestly I think the update is worth it because of the HLG support and you still have your deep black with no glow by re-adjusting your brightness setting. Plus, the new no signal wallpapers are much much better

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