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If you set brightness to 50, you'll end up with the same black level as 51 on the previous firmware.
I dropped from 52 (old FW) to 50 and I`m (almost) sure 17 is more visible. Even my latest measures support that.
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I dropped from 52 (old FW) to 50 and I`m (almost) sure 17 is more visible. Even my latest measures support that.


No idea how to interpret that. Y axis isn't even labeled.

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Hdr should stay at default 100 value for OLED and contrast.

As stated in previous posts, Dolby has stated that on the c6/b6 sets, dv dark is the most accurate to represent DV

Everyone has their preference and they set their settings to the picture they like but to be as close as possible to what is meant to be seen, the settings above are most accurate.

Unfortunately most people have viewed TV under the wrong settings in the past and when they see proper settings, they think they seem wrong


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I used to think the correct OLED Light setting for DV was 100 in bright room and 50 in Dark Room, but I recently reset those picture settings to default and the defaults for DV HDR are 50 for OLED Light for both Bright room and Dark room. Although the OLED Light setting is 50 for both, Bright Room is visibly brighter than Dark Room setting.

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guys what is the difference between "16:9" & "original" in aspect ratio settings? what should it be on when using the netflix app? i normally watch netflix original series which are mostly in 4k.
Also sometimes on the top of the screen when watching full screen content i sometimes see a fine line between the image & the bezel of the screen, dunno how to explain it but it comes only in few images with different lightings. Something to do with aspect ratio? i set mine on 16:9 all the time.


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Original aspect ration setting will keep the aspect ratio of the source signal, so if you are watching something like old 4:3 TV shows, it'll keep that aspect ratio. I believe 16:9 forces widescreen all the time, so something like 4:3 would be stretched to fill the screen.


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I use 16/9 with everything. Mostly watch netflix. I have seen sometimes what you describe also, a fine line i don't really know what it is...don't see it often. A software bug or so?
That faint line we sometime see at the top, that probably has to do with overscan. If you have "Just Scan" enabled in aspect ratio settings, you'll probably see a line like that occasionally. I believe disabling "Just Scan" forces a bit of overscan, so a few lines are cropped.

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I don't notice any glow. Black still looks black in normal content. I did lower brightness a couple notches in response to what folks here are saying. I also don't notice anymore 'black crush' which I used to always notice. It used to be that on real dark scenes my picture looked like images were place over a totally black background and any detail in black was gone.

I've got to believe LG is aware of this by now, given the response on this forum from people contacting them. I suspect they'll roll out another update soon.
Yeah. Another update. That will probably fix this issue and break something else.

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No idea how to interpret that. Y axis isn't even labeled.
Y axis is luminance. The white graph shows how an ideal luminance (this case gamma 2.3) rises from 0 % to 4 % (near black). The yellow is actual measurement. If yellow is above white the actual luminance is too high and vice versa. Because gamma is relative to peak brightness at 100 % there is slight variance with gamma reference graph between each measure. In this case my peak brightness with new FW is higher (148->156 nits) so the absolute difference in luminance is even higher than shown in the picture.
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I used to think the correct OLED Light setting for DV was 100 in bright room and 50 in Dark Room, but I recently reset those picture settings to default and the defaults for DV HDR are 50 for OLED Light for both Bright room and Dark room. Although the OLED Light setting is 50 for both, Bright Room is visibly brighter than Dark Room setting.
That's because in DV mode, OLED Light affects the tonemapping curve, not the overall light output, as it does in other modes. Think of it more like dynamic range compression. You get brighter midtones, but highlights are compressed closer to those mids so you lose a good deal of the image dynamics, and in some scenes highlights may even be dimmer.
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I believe you thought it was improved because the firmware raises the black levels. If you set brightness to 50, you'll end up with the same black level as 51 on the previous firmware. So it gives you the filling that it was improved.
This is not true. I have tested this along with others. Right now there is no change that can be made to get the TV to display absolute black again.
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Has anyone been able to download the 04.31.20 update from the link? My download keeps failing.
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Has anyone been able to download the 04.31.20 update from the link? My download keeps failing.
I was able to.

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I wasn't aware that LG left their old firmware up for grabs after posting new versions until you mentioned that; it was easy enough to track a copy of the old firmware down on the US site once I knew what to look for. You can download the 4.31.20 revision on their US site here (although I assume it's identical to the linked Canadian version, since they share the same file and doc ID): LG 4.31.20 Firmware

I also uploaded a a copy of the same file to MEGA, just in case LG takes it down from their site for any reason: LG 4.31.20 Firmware Mirror

With that said, unless someone comes up with a more straightforward method for downgrading firmware than deploying an update server emulator, reconfiguring your DNS, sniffing the network requests and building manual response files, the firmware itself isn't going to be much help for average users.
Yeah, the downgrade procedure isn't for everyone. I still haven't tried it although I think can make it work.

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I was able to.


I was able to as well. But was unsuccessful in getting the downgrade to work. I managed to get the TV talking to the DNS server on my PC but for whatever reason, the TV was still not showing that an update was available. Interestingly, there are many instructions for the downgrade process that differ from one another so I'm not really sure which is accurate out there for the LGDTVUpdater.

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I want to believe that after all the phone calls LG gets regarding this new firmware issue people are having they will put out a fix eventually but I guarantee it'll be the last update we will ever receive for our B6. I must be among the few that are not seeing any raised black level issues in normal viewing content. Also I'd like to add that I've had my tv professional calibrated.
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I want to believe that after all the phone calls LG gets regarding this new firmware issue people are having they will put out a fix eventually but I guarantee it'll be the last update we will ever receive for our B6. I must be among the few that are not seeing any raised black level issues in normal viewing content. Also I'd like to add that I've had my tv professional calibrated.
I really don't care if it is the last firmware they just need to make it right. Heck I would have been fine staying at the last one. They advertise perfect blacks and they were until recently. I think overall they've done a good job getting the tv up to snuff. This last firmware was a hiccup.
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It's still on the website. Hopefully a fix is coming soon.
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Two weeks ago tomorrow I had my 55C6P professionally calibrated by Chad B.

I highly recommend this to anyone! IMHO it is worth every penny (which, relatively speaking, isn't all that bad considering the cost of these TVs).

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Forget the near invisible black glow for an instant. I'm (sometimes) using my B6 as a computer monitor and have noticed little artifacts sometimes being left behind, like a fragment of the mouse pointer flickering on and off at one spot on the screen. If I move the mouse pointer over it, it disappears (until I notice it again - I haven't figured out when it happens yet). I was putting this down to new nvidia drivers in my fedora 26 box till my friend mailed me a video of much worse flickering artifacts happening on his B6 using a windows box. Anyone notice anything like this with the new firmware?
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Forget the near invisible black glow for an instant. I'm (sometimes) using my B6 as a computer monitor and have noticed little artifacts sometimes being left behind, like a fragment of the mouse pointer flickering on and off at one spot on the screen. If I move the mouse pointer over it, it disappears (until I notice it again - I haven't figured out when it happens yet). I was putting this down to new nvidia drivers in my fedora 26 box till my friend mailed me a video of much worse flickering artifacts happening on his B6 using a windows box. Anyone notice anything like this with the new firmware?
I've had sparkles when using my laptop hdmi out to the B6 but that might just be a faulty connection on my laptop or a bad hdmi cable. Will check with the new firmware soon and report back to see if anything changed.
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Bright Room Settings

Just had the main board replaced in my B6, but this now means all my calibration settings have gone

Can anybody tell me the basic settings to use with a bright room for Standard and HDR modes? I am sure there are a few recommended settings, but I cant remember what they were



Thanks so much!
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Rtings.com via Twitter confirmed that the use of Dynamic Contrast on the B6 5.30.03 update does not increase input lag. Still 28.5ms in HDR Game Mode.

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For anyone experiencing raised black level regardless of brightness setting with the latest FW, have you tried lowering the sub-brightness in the service menu to achieve true black again? I don't know if this works, and I know it's not an acceptable solution even if it does. Just curious if it works.

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For anyone experiencing raised black level regardless of brightness setting with the latest FW, have you tried lowering the sub-brightness in the service menu to achieve true black again? I don't know if this works, and I know it's not an acceptable solution even if it does. Just curious if it works.


I think I saw someone on another thread about the raised blacks stating that it resolved their issue by going into the service menu.

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[QUOTE=wxman;54807102]There is one sure way to fix it if you have a service remote. Go into service menu and lower sub brightness to 127 or 126. This was the same issue I had almost a year ago with my E6 and the replacement E6 with gamma 2.2 and DV HDR. I could drop brightness to 0 and still I would see a glow. I discovered the fix by accident with the service remote and lowered sub brightness from 128 to 127. Glow was gone after that, and has not returned in almost a year. Unfortunately you need a service remote or the android app.[/QUOTE

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I was able to as well. But was unsuccessful in getting the downgrade to work. I managed to get the TV talking to the DNS server on my PC but for whatever reason, the TV was still not showing that an update was available. Interestingly, there are many instructions for the downgrade process that differ from one another so I'm not really sure which is accurate out there for the LGDTVUpdater.
Here's the most thorough instructions I could find(halfway down the page), courtesy of Deepo at neogaf.com:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthre...318442&page=39
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There is one sure way to fix it if you have a service remote. Go into service menu and lower sub brightness to 127 or 126. This was the same issue I had almost a year ago with my E6 and the replacement E6 with gamma 2.2 and DV HDR. I could drop brightness to 0 and still I would see a glow. I discovered the fix by accident with the service remote and lowered sub brightness from 128 to 127. Glow was gone after that, and has not returned in almost a year. Unfortunately you need a service remote or the android app.[/QUOTE
Nice! How long ago did wxman say this? I've got the Service Remote so if this is true I may just do the update. I've got my sub b lowered from 128 to 126. This enabled me to increase my brightness from 50 to 52 without producing a glow on 0 black.

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Nice! How long ago did wxman say this? I've got the Service Remote so if this is true I may just do the update. I've got my sub b lowered from 128 to 126. This enabled me to increase my brightness from 50 to 52 without producing a glow on 0 black.


He posted that reply on 9/16. Curious though to see if it ends up working for the B6. He had an E6 that produced a black glow at 0%.

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He posted that reply on 9/16. Curious though to see if it ends up working for the B6. He had an E6 that produced a black glow at 0%.
Oh good point. I'll ponder it a little while then as the B6 and E6 both have diff soc chips. Just got home and still have my .20 firmware on my USB stick. Do you still need it or did you get it from the Canadian Site? Just reading and it sounds like it's working for you guys?

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Oh good point. I'll ponder it a little while then as the B6 and E6 both have diff soc chips. Just got home and still have my .20 firmware on my USB stick. Do you still need it or did you get it from the Canadian Site? Just reading and it sounds like it's working for you guys?


Yeah I was able to download the firmware for B6. I'll probably try the downgrade process again tonight or sometime this week hopefully. Thank you though for being willing! Much appreciated.

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Yeah I was able to download the firmware for B6. I'll probably try the downgrade process again tonight or sometime this week hopefully. Thank you though for being willing! Much appreciated.
For sure! Let me know how the down grade process goes. It seems kind of complicated. Some guys over in the b, c, e, g thread did this to their E6's a few months back as they were pissed about the dark hdr game mode.

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There is one sure way to fix it if you have a service remote. Go into service menu and lower sub brightness to 127 or 126. This was the same issue I had almost a year ago with my E6 and the replacement E6 with gamma 2.2 and DV HDR. I could drop brightness to 0 and still I would see a glow. I discovered the fix by accident with the service remote and lowered sub brightness from 128 to 127. Glow was gone after that, and has not returned in almost a year. Unfortunately you need a service remote or the android app.[/QUOTE
Nice! How long ago did wxman say this? I've got the Service Remote so if this is true I may just do the update. I've got my sub b lowered from 128 to 126. This enabled me to increase my brightness from 50 to 52 without producing a glow on 0 black.
I have a service remote and can't for the life of me find how to change sub brightness. Any idea?
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I dropped from 52 (old FW) to 50 and I`m (almost) sure 17 is more visible. Even my latest measures support that.

That's phenomenal! Thanks for posting your nb measurements.
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I have a service remote and can't for the life of me find how to change sub brightness. Any idea?
Yep I'll post the process in a second here.

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