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2016 LG C6-B6 owners thread

I have the old update that why I'm asking and on my tv contrast and OLED light had an affect on my tv lower OLED light reduced the issues with the 168 nit calibration.

It's not apparent on my 146nit calibration. So at least on the old version it can be corrected with a calibration unless what I am experiencing isn't glow



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Two weeks ago tomorrow I had my 55C6P professionally calibrated by Chad B.

I highly recommend this to anyone! IMHO it is worth every penny (which, relatively speaking, isn't all that bad considering the cost of these TVs).

It made a huge difference to my eye, especially since mine had quite a bit of green push out of the box. 0% blacks look "off" to me and it comes out of black very nicely now. FYI...he did not need to go into the service menu.

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I'm on the latest firmware and Chad wasn't thrilled with new darker HDR Game mode either. This is a non-issue to me right now since I'm not a gamer save for the occasional racing game on my old PS3. He did calibrate that mode though and set Dynamic Contrast to "Medium" as a workaround.

Also, Dolby Vision mode can't be calibrated on the 2016 sets so he recommended that I watch Netflix on the app in my Sony X-800 player (which does not support DV) instead of the built-in LG WebOS app. I can still get the HDR10 component that way which looks fine to me.
Wow! There really should have been separate owners threads for the B and C since they have different chipsets, software and issues.
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Two weeks ago tomorrow I had my 55C6P professionally calibrated by Chad B.

I highly recommend this to anyone! IMHO it is worth every penny (which, relatively speaking, isn't all that bad considering the cost of these TVs).

It made a huge difference to my eye, especially since mine had quite a bit of green push out of the box. 0% blacks look "off" to me and it comes out of black very nicely now. FYI...he did not need to go into the service menu.

A couple of notes:

I'm on the latest firmware and Chad wasn't thrilled with new darker HDR Game mode either. This is a non-issue to me right now since I'm not a gamer save for the occasional racing game on my old PS3. He did calibrate that mode though and set Dynamic Contrast to "Medium" as a workaround.

Also, Dolby Vision mode can't be calibrated on the 2016 sets so he recommended that I watch Netflix on the app in my Sony X-800 player (which does not support DV) instead of the built-in LG WebOS app. I can still get the HDR10 component that way which looks fine to me.

What does this mean? It has all the same calibration settings that regular HDR10 does...by making small adjustments I was able to get much improved picture quality on mine.
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The black glow with 05.30.03 cannot be fixed with any adjustment, regardless if it is in the service-menue or the normal one. I tried everything with no success, only a downgrade helped here. My blacks are perfect again, honestly I dont need HLG now as it is not really present anywhere (except some demos). Everyone with glowing blacks has to contact LG and let them know that this problem exists, otherwise we wont see an update...

If anybody is on twitter (I am not), please tell Vincent Teoh from hdtvtest about this problem. He has good contacts to them and his words have much more weight than ours...
How were you able to downgrade? Did you have to modify the updater to recognize our past software or does it find it some how?
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Nice to see Microsoft taking measures to prevent burn in and image retention when using their console.

"In the Xbox One's 1710 update, Microsoft introduced new screen dimmer features to the console. Some of these features include large notifications that let you view invites at a glance, when you might not be paying attention to the TV, but also, a special technique designed to prevent against OLED burn-in and other types of image retention.

By enabling the new Xbox One screen dimmer, it will induce a screensaver of sorts, that not only defends against burn-in over longer periods of time but also "scrubs" image retention from the screen.

This technique was designed specifically by the team at Xbox to combat image retention and burn-in, and for those picking up OLEDs, enabling the screen dimmer will go a long way to extending the longevity of your set."

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I have a manual how to do it, found it on a german forum. Works perfectly, but had some troubles before I found my small error. It is a little complicated....
But the manual is german so I think it does not help you But there is a manual here on the forum, dont know where exactly you can find it. Some users tried the downgrade and it worked
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Everyone with glowing blacks has to contact LG and let them know that this problem exists, otherwise we wont see an update...
This! This is a problem that LG created. They need to own this issue and put out a fix for it. I've already emailed LG and reached out through Twitter. The more people we have doing this, the better the chance we have of getting a fix more quickly.
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I have a manual how to do it, found it on a german forum. Works perfectly, but had some troubles before I found my small error. It is a little complicated....
But the manual is german so I think it does not help you But there is a manual here on the forum, dont know where exactly you can find it. Some users tried the downgrade and it worked
Ok, thanks. Hopefully LG fixes this, but if they don't hopefully some one on here comes up with a way of doing this.
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Let me know if it works so I can maybe then upgrade to the new firmware too!
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I personally think people are overestimating the glow. Before the update, a brightness of 51 meant the pixels were OFF on my set. Now there is a very slight glow at 51, but setting the display to 50 makes it completely imperceptible with real world usage. I know it's bothersome from a psychological perspective, but to notice any amount of glow would require you to sit in a pitch black room watching a pure black image for at least 15 seconds.


Completely agree.
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Wow!

Ok, now I have to add my bit to this discussion. I just went back a week to the first post here about the "black glow" and read forward. The discussion has been interesting (or somewhat interesting), but for the most part I'm not seeing a clear reason that most people (except those of the "if LG claims perfect black level then they MUST provide perfect black level" ilk) would be concerned about any "black glow". It happens that a few days ago my B6 updated to the latest FW automatically. I've been looking for any "black glow" issues in normal content but have seen no reason at all to be concerned. While I can view in pretty damn dark conditions, I don't view in a dead black room. And I'm not a gamer, so "don't care".

Now the real reason for this post -- I also noted that some have said the 05.30.03 firmware has included an "unannounced" and therefore "unofficial" upgrade for HLG. Today I downloaded that HLG demo that @sechev00 and others provided ( http://4kmedia.org/lg-cymatic-jazz-hdr-hlg-uhd-4k-demo/ ) and was absolutely blown away! I have numerous HDR UHDs (including Deadpool and other so-called "reference" discs) and I have the DV demos, and I have never seen an HDR level as outstanding as this jazz demo. (I have yet to see a DV UHD, so no comparison on that yet available.) The depth of color, the vast array of color, and the varying light intensities have never been displayed in such spectacular splendor! It's difficult to point to particular images since this quality is on display throughout the demo, but I especially noted the effects in the splashing bubbles and the flickering flames. But even those single-color paint splashes appear with such multiple tone and luminance variations that they were dazzling and three dimensional. It is simply difficult to describe. This is what HDR is supposed to be. IMO, it's is worth getting the FW update just to be able to view and show this demo regardless of any supposed "black glow".

Keep in mind that this was viewed in a bright, sunlit room. I first watched the demo from my OPPO which did NOT provide the HLG output. Then I changed to the USB on the LGB6. The "HLG HDR" bubble popped up in the upper right corner and the change was immediately noticeable -- did not require an A/B to see it. Even when I called my wife (who just don't care) in to see the demo, she immediately exclaimed over how beautiful the image was and could see those amazing variations. To use the word "kalaidescope" in this description would be a disservice to HLG. I always thought that HLG would somehow be a lesser quality of HDR, but this certainly is NOT lesser. Why do I care since there is no broadcast HDR service in the US? Because this HLG demo is worth having no matter what and because we have a technologically leading-edge TV station in our area that will probably be one of the first to provide HLG broadcasts -- even if it takes a few more years.

So YMMV, but for MY B6 panel and MY satisfaction, the 05.30.03 FW update is well worthwhile. And this HLG demo is now top of my list to show off my system. (That includes the sound system -- even without Atmos/DTS:X, the audio is marvelous and I'm not even a great fan of jazz!)

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Ok, now I have to add my bit to this discussion. I just went back a week to the first post here about the "black glow" and read forward. The discussion has been interesting (or somewhat interesting), but for the most part I'm not seeing a clear reason that most people (except those of the "if LG claims perfect black level then they MUST provide perfect black level" ilk) would be concerned about any "black glow"
You should have bought an LCD then & saved yourself some money!


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It happens that a few days ago my B6 updated to the latest FW automatically. I've been looking for any "black glow" issues in normal content but have seen no reason at all to be concerned. While I can view in pretty damn dark conditions, I don't view in a dead black room. And I'm not a gamer, so "don't care".
Well I do view in a dark room & I'm a gamer & I do care! I bought an OLED because OLED have one & only one advantage over LCD & Plasma, perfect black & infinite contrast. I paid a premium for this & LG just screwed me & thousands more over there main selling point.
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You still have perfect blacks when playing in the dark. You only will not have perfect blacks when you are in the dark with a pure black screen running for long enough to allow your visual system to enter a state where the slightest perception of a glow is possible from close to the screen....
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You still have perfect blacks when playing in the dark. You only will not have perfect blacks when you are in the dark with a pure black screen running for long enough to allow your visual system to enter a state where the slightest perception of a glow is possible from close to the screen....

No.

I notice immediately when I turn on my TV that the picture is more washed out & hazy looking. If a scene in a film is pure black, I can tell it is slightly glowing.
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You still have perfect blacks when playing in the dark. You only will not have perfect blacks when you are in the dark with a pure black screen running for long enough to allow your visual system to enter a state where the slightest perception of a glow is possible from close to the screen....
This is completely false and we should not be making excuses for LG botching the PQ with this latest firmware. The bottom line is the screen DID produce perfect black before the update and it DOES NOT after the update.

This is touted as the defining feature of OLED displays over competing technologies and the B6 with this latest firmware can no longer deliver that.
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Can somebody please tell me some basic calibration settings for a B6?

Thanks so much!
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They said perfect blacks and now we don't have them, well I think we should get our money back, they promised something that no longer exists.the only way to get perfect black now is with backlight.

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Can somebody please tell me some basic calibration settings for a B6?

Thanks so much!
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Can somebody please tell me some basic calibration settings for a B6?

Thanks so much!
Yes, I can, ISF dark for dark room, put oled light at 30-40 and your good to go and turn off TruMotion.if you want better get it pro calibrated.
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Ok, now I have to add my bit to this discussion. I just went back a week to the first post here about the "black glow" and read forward. The discussion has been interesting (or somewhat interesting), but for the most part I'm not seeing a clear reason that most people (except those of the "if LG claims perfect black level then they MUST provide perfect black level" ilk) would be concerned about any "black glow". It happens that a few days ago my B6 updated to the latest FW automatically. I've been looking for any "black glow" issues in normal content but have seen no reason at all to be concerned. While I can view in pretty damn dark conditions, I don't view in a dead black room. And I'm not a gamer, so "don't care".

Now the real reason for this post -- I also noted that some have said the 05.30.03 firmware has included an "unannounced" and therefore "unofficial" upgrade for HLG. Today I downloaded that HLG demo that @sechev00 and others provided ( http://4kmedia.org/lg-cymatic-jazz-hdr-hlg-uhd-4k-demo/ ) and was absolutely blown away! I have numerous HDR UHDs (including Deadpool and other so-called "reference" discs) and I have the DV demos, and I have never seen an HDR level as outstanding as this jazz demo. (I have yet to see a DV UHD, so no comparison on that yet available.) The depth of color, the vast array of color, and the varying light intensities have never been displayed in such spectacular splendor! It's difficult to point to particular images since this quality is on display throughout the demo, but I especially noted the effects in the splashing bubbles and the flickering flames. But even those single-color paint splashes appear with such multiple tone and luminance variations that they were dazzling and three dimensional. It is simply difficult to describe. This is what HDR is supposed to be. IMO, it's is worth getting the FW update just to be able to view and show this demo regardless of any supposed "black glow".

Keep in mind that this was viewed in a bright, sunlit room. I first watched the demo from my OPPO which did NOT provide the HLG output. Then I changed to the USB on the LGB6. The "HLG HDR" bubble popped up in the upper right corner and the change was immediately noticeable -- did not require an A/B to see it. Even when I called my wife (who just don't care) in to see the demo, she immediately exclaimed over how beautiful the image was and could see those amazing variations. To use the word "kalaidescope" in this description would be a disservice to HLG. I always thought that HLG would somehow be a lesser quality of HDR, but this certainly is NOT lesser. Why do I care since there is no broadcast HDR service in the US? Because this HLG demo is worth having no matter what and because we have a technologically leading-edge TV station in our area that will probably be one of the first to provide HLG broadcasts -- even if it takes a few more years.

So YMMV, but for MY B6 panel and MY satisfaction, the 05.30.03 FW update is well worthwhile. And this HLG demo is now top of my list to show off my system. (That includes the sound system -- even without Atmos/DTS:X, the audio is marvelous and I'm not even a great fan of jazz!)
I agree this demo was the best looking thing i ever saw with this tv. I don't have uhd player yet myself.
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I agree this demo was the best looking thing i ever saw with this tv. I don't have uhd player yet myself.
How can you play the demo file on a USB?

The download is a zip file, when unzipped the file is a .ts extension. Does it need converting?
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How can you play the demo file on a USB?

The download is a zip file, when unzipped the file is a .ts extension. Does it need converting?
Nope. Just put in on a USB flash drive, plug it into the TV and go to the TV's Photos & Videos app and play it there.
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How can you play the demo file on a USB?

The download is a zip file, when unzipped the file is a .ts extension. Does it need converting?
I don't know if it was mentioned in a previous message, but you can watch it via LG's YouTube channel via keyword search: "LG: Cymatic Jazz HDR HLG UHD 4K Demo"
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I don't know if it was mentioned in a previous message, but you can watch it via LG's YouTube channel via keyword search: "LG: Cymatic Jazz HDR HLG UHD 4K Demo"
So does Youtube support HLG then?
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Seeing the variety of feedback in this forum, it sounds to me like some sets may be more prone to the glow than others (just like every other aspect of the picture can vary a bit from set to set), and thus more impacted by this update. Some users may also just be more sensitive to issues of this nature than others are. It's apparent that a number of users don't see the glow on their sets at all unless they're staring at a pure black screen in the dark for a long time, but on my set, it's definitely noticeable during standard black transitions between scenes and on some credit rolls, regardless of brightness settings. It's certainly not the end of the world, but it's definitely a downgrade from the prior firmware, and there's no real excuse for making picture quality worse (even in minor ways) with a firmware update. I highly doubt the elevated MLL was necessary to implement HLG in any way, so it should be perfectly feasible to provide a firmware that has both HLG support and the perfect blacks that OLED is known for.

Whether the glow is significant enough to be noticeable on your set or not, I think it's in all of our interests to hold LG's feet to the fire on this issue to discourage them from pushing faulty updates in the future. Just because this issue doesn't necessarily impact all sets or users doesn't mean it should be excused or set aside.
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I have a manual how to do it, found it on a german forum. Works perfectly, but had some troubles before I found my small error. It is a little complicated....
But the manual is german so I think it does not help you But there is a manual here on the forum, dont know where exactly you can find it. Some users tried the downgrade and it worked
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Has any one had any feed back from LG on a possible FW fix?


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I have a manual how to do it, found it on a german forum. Works perfectly, but had some troubles before I found my small error. It is a little complicated....
But the manual is german so I think it does not help you But there is a manual here on the forum, dont know where exactly you can find it. Some users tried the downgrade and it worked
So dlj11 is the only one that has downgraded so far?
It seems like a complicated process and I'm pretty savvy on this stuff. I guess if I have to I can try it eventually.
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Can someone please provide a list of URLs (websites) to block these TVs from "phoning home" about our viewing activity, but still allow normal functionality?

There was an issue some LG TVs had a few years back where they were scanning file names on people's devices on their network and sending that info back to LG.

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Ok, now I have to add my bit to this discussion. I just went back a week to the first post here about the "black glow" and read forward. The discussion has been interesting (or somewhat interesting), but for the most part I'm not seeing a clear reason that most people (except those of the "if LG claims perfect black level then they MUST provide perfect black level" ilk) would be concerned about any "black glow". It happens that a few days ago my B6 updated to the latest FW automatically. I've been looking for any "black glow" issues in normal content but have seen no reason at all to be concerned. While I can view in pretty damn dark conditions, I don't view in a dead black room. And I'm not a gamer, so "don't care".



Now the real reason for this post -- I also noted that some have said the 05.30.03 firmware has included an "unannounced" and therefore "unofficial" upgrade for HLG. Today I downloaded that HLG demo that @sechev00 and others provided ( http://4kmedia.org/lg-cymatic-jazz-hdr-hlg-uhd-4k-demo/ ) and was absolutely blown away! I have numerous HDR UHDs (including Deadpool and other so-called "reference" discs) and I have the DV demos, and I have never seen an HDR level as outstanding as this jazz demo. (I have yet to see a DV UHD, so no comparison on that yet available.) The depth of color, the vast array of color, and the varying light intensities have never been displayed in such spectacular splendor! It's difficult to point to particular images since this quality is on display throughout the demo, but I especially noted the effects in the splashing bubbles and the flickering flames. But even those single-color paint splashes appear with such multiple tone and luminance variations that they were dazzling and three dimensional. It is simply difficult to describe. This is what HDR is supposed to be. IMO, it's is worth getting the FW update just to be able to view and show this demo regardless of any supposed "black glow".



Keep in mind that this was viewed in a bright, sunlit room. I first watched the demo from my OPPO which did NOT provide the HLG output. Then I changed to the USB on the LGB6. The "HLG HDR" bubble popped up in the upper right corner and the change was immediately noticeable -- did not require an A/B to see it. Even when I called my wife (who just don't care) in to see the demo, she immediately exclaimed over how beautiful the image was and could see those amazing variations. To use the word "kalaidescope" in this description would be a disservice to HLG. I always thought that HLG would somehow be a lesser quality of HDR, but this certainly is NOT lesser. Why do I care since there is no broadcast HDR service in the US? Because this HLG demo is worth having no matter what and because we have a technologically leading-edge TV station in our area that will probably be one of the first to provide HLG broadcasts -- even if it takes a few more years.



So YMMV, but for MY B6 panel and MY satisfaction, the 05.30.03 FW update is well worthwhile. And this HLG demo is now top of my list to show off my system. (That includes the sound system -- even without Atmos/DTS:X, the audio is marvelous and I'm not even a great fan of jazz!)


My thoughts exactly! Well said!
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