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The posterization is not that big of a deal to me but it's there and obvious. The subpar motion handling is a big deal to me and that would not be an issue on a Sony. I'm sure of that.

I have a big problem with the black crush and near black issues. It crushes blacks pretty hard. You shouldn't really have to get your set calibrated to eliminate or minimize significant black crush. I have a problem with the fact that it makes subpar cable sources look a lot worse than other tv's do. You can a/b a lot of these issues and see them on other tv's but you notice them a lot less because the OLED's exacerbate these issues.

As I've said before, when it looks good, it's the best picture I've ever seen but more often than not, I'm looking at something that looks worse because of the aforementioned issues. I was leaning towards dealing with it but the Sony Z9D seems to be a viable choice for a replacement that would make me happy. We will see. I still have a little over a month on my E6 if I want to return or exchange. That should give me enough time to hear some early feedback on the Z9D.
Get rid of it, it clearly isn't for you. You'll be obviously much happier with another tech.
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The posterization is not that big of a deal to me but it's there and obvious. The subpar motion handling is a big deal to me and that would not be an issue on a Sony. I'm sure of that.

I have a big problem with the black crush and near black issues. It crushes blacks pretty hard. You shouldn't really have to get your set calibrated to eliminate or minimize significant black crush. I have a problem with the fact that it makes subpar cable sources look a lot worse than other tv's do. You can a/b a lot of these issues and see them on other tv's but you notice them a lot less because the OLED's exacerbate these issues.

As I've said before, when it looks good, it's the best picture I've ever seen but more often than not, I'm looking at something that looks worse because of the aforementioned issues. I was leaning towards dealing with it but the Sony Z9D seems to be a viable choice for a replacement that would make me happy. We will see. I still have a little over a month on my E6 if I want to return or exchange. That should give me enough time to hear some early feedback on the Z9D.
I totally disagree with this. I've compared so many of the popular broadcast shows I receive on Directv, with all of its compression and bit starving, and I find the OLED picture superior to that same picture on my Sony 940c.

Personally I've taken all the tired, old generalizations (Sony has the best upscaling, picture processing, color etc. and LG's upscaling, processing, bla bla bla, is crap) and put these to the test. I find them to be false. Perhaps they were true in the past, I don't know. I've compared these two UHD displays in my own house, those who keep touting these generalizations as fact, haven't.

If you switch to the Z9D (and you probably will) you will have to deal with the issues inherent in LCD that don't exist with OLED. Some of those don't bother me as much as others (blooming & viewing angle), but many are bothered by them. Either way, I don't see why you'd even contemplate holding on to the E. You didn't like the B and you don't like the E. You'd probably be happier with a 940c, 940d or the pricier Z9D. I think you should even consider holding on to your 929 and just waiting a couple of years.

BTW, I had a 929 several years ago and returned it because of uniformity issues I couldn't live with. We all have our hot buttons.

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The Z9D LCD may be the right choice for you.
We will see how it plays out, not to mention we have to compare pricing then too. Some sets are just not worth buying. Like the Samsung UN75KS9000, that set is edge lit and is more money than the 940D....
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So I just took delivery of a new receiver (Marantz NR1606) and I'm hoping you guys could give me some input on the best approach for hooking up my components. I have the following:

DirecTV 4K Genie
Samsung BluRay (Not UHD - I have a Philips BDP7501 coming tomorrow)
Apple TV
and of course the internal apps on my LG B6

Is it considered best to always connect sources directly to the TV? How about audio - does ARC bring any limitations or should I attempt to connect audio direct to the receiver?

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I've been the owner of a 65" c6 for almost 4 weeks now so I'll give my 2 cents for anyone on the fence. No major issues with the set, but I'm another person a bit disappointed with the just above black performance, as well as what seems to be an over exaggeration of any noise in the picture.

Don't understand me wrong, the TV does almost everything phenomenally. I'm coming from a panny vt60 and a kuro elite 9th gen before that, and I think the c6 oled out performs both on many levels.

Where the c6 fails mainly for me is cable TV. The set is very unforgiving of noise and compression, and the additional upscaling sub 1080p to 4k is not handled particularly well. I've seen my father's 2014 panny lcd upscale much better, with many fewer compression artifacts. As I mentioned, the c6 also seems to exaggerate noise, and film grain as well.

However, well made 1080p and 4k discs look amazing, as well as do video games. Hopefully HDR input lag isn't bad, as I'm looking forward to xbox one s and hdr gaming. I'm still 50/50 as to whether I'm keeping the set or returning it. One one hand, HDR is amazing and the TV does so much nearly flawless. One the other, there are still some deficiencies that I don't expect at a premium price, and for the price may not be justified just yet. I may take this back for a vizio p series to hold me over with hdr and the 10 bit panel for another couple of years until LG figures out their processing or another manufacturer gets into the OLED game.

Im not a fan of 3d, but 3d is outrageously cool on this set. If you're a fan of 3d, jump on board!

Btw, my set has not been professionally calibrated, but not sure if this would help the just above black performance or help reduce noise.
I wen't to a hifi boutique to check out the B6 they just received a week ago (I'm in Canada) and I had the same impression about noise and exaggerated film grain.

I brought blu-ray movies to check it out, like the Matrix and Aliens and those have film grain and I was a bit disappointed about that "look". It was better when I saw that sharpness was at 10 and set it up to 0, but still. (after changing the ISF dark that said) I also have a Panasonic Plasma at home so I'm used to that "picture" so that might also be it, a change of habit.

I then checked a Panasonic LCD (CX850) with the same movie and the picture looked more like my plasma... but then I realize that LCD tech also have their quirks with backlight and all...

So Megatron, if you return your C6 and get a Vizio P series, I would be interested to have your impressions.
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I am hearing a lot about OLED not looking so good with cable, and while I care how BluRay looks more I still watch mostly FIOS these days and I worry that many FIOS channels might not look as good on an OLED as they do on my KURO. Even on the KURO some look like crap sometimes, but most of what I watch usually looks pretty satisfyingly good unless I have literally just watched a BluRay than I can see how it pales in comparison. But the majority of the time I am very happy with how cable looks with my 111FD and even if the B6 is 1000 times better with BR it would be disappointing if the B6 isn't as good with cable. I don't really know what to think here...
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I am hearing a lot about OLED not looking so good with cable, and while I care how BluRay looks more I still watch mostly FIOS these days and I worry that many FIOS channels might not look as good on an OLED as they do on my KURO. Even on the KURO some look like crap sometimes, but most of what I watch usually looks pretty satisfyingly good unless I have literally just watched a BluRay than I can see how it pales in comparison. But the majority of the time I am very happy with how cable looks with my 111FD and even if the B6 is 1000 times better with BR it would be disappointing if the B6 isn't as good with cable. I don't really know what to think here...
Buy it if u don't like it return it it'd simple
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I watch predominantly HBO HD and have no complaints. I do see where the picture quality concerns arise, but not enough for me to consider an LCD again.

I would say I watch a healthy mix though, and the 3D, HDR and standard Blu Ray movie quality makes up for any scene on cable that makes me question the decision to go OLED.
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Buy it if u don't like it return it it'd simple
I wouldn't return it because I doubt anything would be better, except maybe a high end Sony LCD but it will still be an LCD with very limited viewing angles. It's just disappointing that high end Plasma is still the best for lower quality content. I will just buy it and enjoy the good content and than wait or hope that broadcasting standards don't take forever to improve.
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The posterization is not that big of a deal to me but it's there and obvious. The subpar motion handling is a big deal to me and that would not be an issue on a Sony. I'm sure of that.

I have a big problem with the black crush and near black issues. It crushes blacks pretty hard. You shouldn't really have to get your set calibrated to eliminate or minimize significant black crush. I have a problem with the fact that it makes subpar cable sources look a lot worse than other tv's do. You can a/b a lot of these issues and see them on other tv's but you notice them a lot less because the OLED's exacerbate these issues.

As I've said before, when it looks good, it's the best picture I've ever seen but more often than not, I'm looking at something that looks worse because of the aforementioned issues. I was leaning towards dealing with it but the Sony Z9D seems to be a viable choice for a replacement that would make me happy. We will see. I still have a little over a month on my E6 if I want to return or exchange. That should give me enough time to hear some early feedback on the Z9D.
Wow...crushing blacks pretty hard...I Respectfully disagree with you...maybe it's the settings your using, but the black crush is not as bad as you make it out to be, I've done comparisons with my plasma...f8500, and the crush is minimal, sometimes not even noticable...maybe Oled ain't for you...and I'm sure if you switch you will find something you won't like. In the end if the crush was so bad you would definitely see more people on here complaining about it.
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So I just took delivery of a new receiver (Marantz NR1606) and I'm hoping you guys could give me some input on the best approach for hooking up my components. I have the following:

DirecTV 4K Genie
Samsung BluRay (Not UHD - I have a Philips BDP7501 coming tomorrow)
Apple TV
and of course the internal apps on my LG B6

Is it considered best to always connect sources directly to the TV? How about audio - does ARC bring any limitations or should I attempt to connect audio direct to the receiver?

Thanks for the help.
If you can get Audio Working through HDMI (either direct HDMI or through ARC) you have the potential to get better sound than through Optical/RCA SPDIF because those are limited to lossy formats or 2 Channel.

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Buy it if u don't like it return it it'd simple
This is what worries me the most about buying online. Not so much that you can't return it if you don't like it, I have checked out the C6 and B6 locally and know I like them. I'm more concerned about getting a panel that has an issue on it, be it banding or scratches or whatever. Even going through Amazon or another reputable online store like the forum sponsor that is mentioned so often concerns me. Amazon will only allow so many returns before they cut you off and my understanding is that CP only will allow returns if you find a problem when the TV is very first delivered. The savings just from tax are a fair amount so I'm still leaning that way. How is LG in regards to warranty replacements? I would assume that at a certain point LG says enough is enough if you keep seeing issues with replacement after replacement.
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Wow...crushing blacks pretty hard...I Respectfully disagree with you...maybe it's the settings your using, but the black crush is not as bad as you make it out to be, I've done comparisons with my plasma...f8500, and the crush is minimal, sometimes not even noticable...maybe Oled ain't for you...and I'm sure if you switch you will find something you won't like. In the end if the crush was so bad you would definitely see more people on here complaining about it.


He was using a sharpness of 18 and complaining about added grain. I have no doubt the black crush is caused by his settings.
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I am hearing a lot about OLED not looking so good with cable, and while I care how BluRay looks more I still watch mostly FIOS these days and I worry that many FIOS channels might not look as good on an OLED as they do on my KURO. Even on the KURO some look like crap sometimes, but most of what I watch usually looks pretty satisfyingly good unless I have literally just watched a BluRay than I can see how it pales in comparison. But the majority of the time I am very happy with how cable looks with my 111FD and even if the B6 is 1000 times better with BR it would be disappointing if the B6 isn't as good with cable. I don't really know what to think here...
For every person that says they think OLED doesn't look as good with cable as LCD, there are many others who would dispute that. IMO, satellite looks better on my OLED than my Sony. We just watched an episode of House of Cards on Netflix, and that too looks better on my OLED.

The only way to tell is to see it for yourself. If you can't and you're genuinely interested, then buy it from a retailer where you can easily return it if you don't like it.
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For every person that says they think OLED doesn't look as good with cable as LCD, there are many others who would dispute that. IMO, satellite looks better on my OLED than my Sony. We just watched an episode of House of Cards on Netflix, and that too looks better on my OLED.

The only way to tell is to see it for yourself. If you can't and you're genuinely interested, then buy it from a retailer where you can easily return it if you don't like it.
I would probably never return it because of how FIOS looked if I genuinely love watching BluRay and UHD content. It's just disappointing a little to hear high end Plasma is still best for lower content, but it's true like you say not everybody feels that way and maybe I wont find it so bad. It's really less of the fault of OLED and more just broadcasting standards need to improve and hopefully that happens sometime not too far.

And I cannot imagine LCD really is better except for like I said the high end Sony sets with their upscaling and processing, but I am not going to buy LCD because of outstanding processing even though the x940c did impress the hell out of me but I would have to get the 65 inch 930c and that has edge light dimming so forget it.
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^ Well remember my comparisons are between that very same 940c you mentioned and my B6. The picture on the Sony is great, but the OLED is just better.
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^ Well remember my comparisons are between that very same 940c you mentioned and my B6. The picture on the Sony is great, but he OLED is just better.
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I am hearing a lot about OLED not looking so good with cable, and while I care how BluRay looks more I still watch mostly FIOS these days and I worry that many FIOS channels might not look as good on an OLED as they do on my KURO. Even on the KURO some look like crap sometimes, but most of what I watch usually looks pretty satisfyingly good unless I have literally just watched a BluRay than I can see how it pales in comparison. But the majority of the time I am very happy with how cable looks with my 111FD and even if the B6 is 1000 times better with BR it would be disappointing if the B6 isn't as good with cable. I don't really know what to think here...
I don't know how good quality Fios is in the U.S. But here in Canada, I have HD optik cable and have an FTA satellite which gives me dishnetwork and own both plasma and OLED, to sum it up quick, the OLED gives a better picture with 720p/1080i/1080p content.

The one difference I see that plasma does better is motion and with SD channels. But you wouldn't tell if they weren't right beside each other. Hope that helps.

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Hello all, I've noticed that on a pure white screen I hey a pinkish hue on the left side of the screen. I think I've read this before, but wondering if I should exchange it for another set? It's not that bad, but I did notice it a bit playing a hockey video game tonight.

Are many other people seeing this pinkish hue, or is it rare and did I very unlucky?

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Lastly, as to the claims by a few of poor upscaling by the LG OLEDs, I say nonsense. I've compared 720p, 1080i and 1080p (satellite broadcasts and BluRay) on both my 65" B6 OLED and my Sony 940c (the best in the business, right?) and at anything even remotely close to normal viewing distance, there is no difference. None. Zero. Nada. In fact, I'll be so bold as to say even at 1/2 of a typical viewing distance you'll see no difference.
So basically what you're saying is that the difference in scaling doesn't show up at normal viewing distances but does if you're pixel sniffing. I'd have to agree with your logic although just knowing that there is a difference would still bother me.

As to motion processing, although you don't see a difference doesn't mean that other's won't. Isn't it generally understood that the perception of motion problems is individual and not everyone sees it the same way?

Maybe a fair question would be do you see motion issues on displays that others claim to see it?
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He was using a sharpness of 18 and complaining about added grain. I have no doubt the black crush is caused by his settings.


Sharpness of 20 is the default on game mode. It shouldn't really cause that amount of grain when there is literally no grain in the source.

The black crush is inevitable. There's something wrong with the tv when you can't vary the brightness setting by more than 4 clicks without it looking very off in one way or another. You're either crushing blacks or you're washing out the picture and adding noise. That's just the way it is.
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Sharpness of 20 is the default on game mode. It shouldn't really cause that amount of grain when there is literally no grain in the source.

The black crush is inevitable. There's something wrong with the tv when you can't vary the brightness setting by more than 4 clicks without it looking very off in one way or another. You're either crushing blacks or you're washing out the picture and adding noise. That's just the way it is.
Wow so I guess the rest of us have been watching our sets all wrong.

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Sharpness of 20 is the default on game mode. It shouldn't really cause that amount of grain when there is literally no grain in the source.

The black crush is inevitable. There's something wrong with the tv when you can't vary the brightness setting by more than 4 clicks without it looking very off in one way or another. You're either crushing blacks or you're washing out the picture and adding noise. That's just the way it is.
Do yourself a favor and go get a lcd you will be much happier
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Do yourself a favor and go get a lcd you will be much happier
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