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Dunkirk is by far the worst, but Blade Runner, Deadpool, Alien Covenant, Prometheus, and a few others have displayed this error. Basically anything where there is gradients of white, it peaks with a pink blobby mess.

Some more examples: Adjusted the levels a bit so you can see the banding better. https://imgur.com/a/AtpgN
I see the reddish tint in the whites. Don't have any ideas...maybe drop you color level a notch or two. Just checked the color level on mine with La La Land 4k HDR playing...it's at 43. But my settings are perhaps a bit conservative. Still, looks good...

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Yeah dropped the colour down and the error persists on all levels.
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Dunkirk is by far the worst, but Blade Runner, Deadpool, Alien Covenant, Prometheus, and a few others have displayed this error. Basically anything where there is gradients of white, it peaks with a pink blobby mess.

Some more examples: Adjusted the levels a bit so you can see the banding better. https://imgur.com/a/AtpgN
Is it calibrated?
it?s not professionally calibrated. The error still persists with adjusting levels, brightness, colour etc. Done a lot of testing with player output settings, TV settings, different players. All displaying the same errors.
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it?s not professionally calibrated. The error still persists with adjusting levels, brightness, colour etc. Done a lot of testing with player output settings, TV settings, different players. All displaying the same errors.
I wonder if it might be a grayscale error on the high nit end of the signal. Perhaps a calibration would solve it, but I can't guarantee that.

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it?s not professionally calibrated. The error still persists with adjusting levels, brightness, colour etc. Done a lot of testing with player output settings, TV settings, different players. All displaying the same errors.
I wonder if it might be a grayscale error on the high nit end of the signal. Perhaps a calibration would solve it, but I can't guarantee that.
yeah sounds like that might be the case. Its definitely not mapping that high end properly which is causing the errors.

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I tried to turn brightness down to 49 in HDR / DV and it makes a huge difference, contrast is much improved without crushing details too much.
There is a huge leap between 50 & 49.
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I tried to turn brightness down to 49 in HDR / DV and it makes a huge difference, contrast is much improved without crushing details too much.
There is a huge leap between 50 & 49.
In DV, yes, as OLED Light directly controls the tonemapping. 50 is the default setting there. I've noticed OLED Light 45 / Contrast 80 in DV can give you a bit more highlight detail too without sacrificing peak brightness.

In HDR modes, OLED Light doesn't affect the tonemapping curve like that, so any crushed highlight details will stay crushed, they'll just be darker along with everything else. Everything is equally darker, including your peak brightness.

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In DV, yes, as OLED Light directly controls the tonemapping. 50 is the default setting there. I've noticed OLED Light 45 / Contrast 80 in DV can give you a bit more highlight detail too without sacrificing peak brightness.

In HDR modes, OLED Light doesn't affect the tonemapping curve like that, so any crushed highlight details will stay crushed, they'll just be darker along with everything else. Everything is equally darker, including your peak brightness.
I am not adjusting OLED Light, but brightness.
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I am not adjusting OLED Light, but brightness.
Oh, must have interpreted that wrong I guess lol (a little tired, still what I said may be helpful for some)

Well for brightness, I've found that 50 is correct in DV and 51 in HDR on my set. Anything below those does crush shadow detail. Some content does have raised blacks, so it won't hurt that content, but for content that uses correct blacks, it will be a problem. Make sure you either have a black pattern to use, or look at black content like credits to adjust your brightness setting, rather than just eying it during moving content.
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Well, I was seeing black crush after all. Back to default brightness at 50. =)
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All understandable. However, my plasma in the bedroom still handles motion and lower quality sources better than my B6. If there is an OLED option this year that closes this gap with plasma, I'll consider upgrading.
Those old plasma displays where pretty darn sweet. Maybe someday we can have a reintroduce the plasma display
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I have had nothing but macroblocking hell with Dunkirk on my current setup, wondering if anyone else with the same setup is having the same problems. Whenever there's a white sky, pinky macroblocking chunks appear in the skies. It's riddled throughout the entire film on my setup and is driving me nuts.

My setup is an LG OLED 55" C6, playing from an Oppo 203 and a Panasonic UB900, both resulting in the same case of pink macroblocking.

Pictures seen here: https://imgur.com/a/b2as8
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Anyone else with a similar setup experiencing the same problem?
I played the same sequence on my mates 55" B7 yesterday and there was no pinky macroblocking as seen in the photos.

I'm also experiencing the same pinky macro blocking in the whites on the Blade Runner 4K UHD

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I have a 65 c6 with the Phillips UHD player. I just watched DunKirK the other night and it was just fine. No receiver, video direct to TV and sound direct to Yamaha sound bar. It was awesome.
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The only banding/macroblocking problems I've noticed on my B6 happen when I use it as a computer display. The randomly selected background image will look fine at first, then I'll turn off the display overnight and when I turn it back on the next day, the same screen background now has highly visible banding. If I physically disconnect the power from the B6 for a few seconds, then turn it back on, the picture goes back to normal again. I've never had any problem with movies played via my oppo 203, they have always looked great (once I turned off all the "helpful" motion processing on the LG, that is).
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I have a 65 c6 with the Phillips UHD player. I just watched DunKirK the other night and it was just fine. No receiver, video direct to TV and sound direct to Yamaha sound bar. It was awesome.
Thanks for the checking on ur setup.
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Hmm, so I was gonna get a C6 a month ago but that fell through. However I have a chance to get a used 65 inch LG Oled C6 for ~1600 or ~1800 with no image issues, no burn in, dead pixels, or scratches on screen that was purchased in FEB of 2017. They have an extended 3 year warranty starting this feb from squaretrade that is active. Is it worth getting it at this price point?

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I have had nothing but macroblocking hell with Dunkirk on my current setup, wondering if anyone else with the same setup is having the same problems. Whenever there's a white sky, pinky macroblocking chunks appear in the skies. It's riddled throughout the entire film on my setup and is driving me nuts.

My setup is an LG OLED 55" C6, playing from an Oppo 203 and a Panasonic UB900, both resulting in the same case of pink macroblocking.

Pictures seen here: https://imgur.com/a/b2as8
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Anyone else with a similar setup experiencing the same problem?
I played the same sequence on my mates 55" B7 yesterday and there was no pinky macroblocking as seen in the photos.

I'm also experiencing the same pinky macro blocking in the whites on the Blade Runner 4K UHD

Thanks, Alex
I also have the Oppo 203 paired with the C6 and have not noticed this issue when playing back Blade Runner; I have Dunkirk but haven't had a chance to view it yet. My Oppo is a direct one to the TV. I wonder if you have a wonky cable and or if you are passing through an AVR before the TV I wonder if that could be introducing the problem?
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How are you guys cleaning your TV's? I have the OLED B6, and I have been using a microfiber towel with a little bit of water. When the TV is off, the black screen kind of looks like it's streaky and it bothers me. First world problems but wondering if anyone is using something better then water on their set.
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How are you guys cleaning your TV's? I have the OLED B6, and I have been using a microfiber towel with a little bit of water. When the TV is off, the black screen kind of looks like it's streaky and it bothers me. First world problems but wondering if anyone is using something better then water on their set.
I use a little Invisible Glass sprayed on a microfiber cloth. No issues at all.

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How are you guys cleaning your TV's? I have the OLED B6, and I have been using a microfiber towel with a little bit of water. When the TV is off, the black screen kind of looks like it's streaky and it bothers me. First world problems but wondering if anyone is using something better then water on their set.
I use a very lightly wet towel with a very small drop of dish detergent (keeps dust away) and wipe the screen. Then I take a microfiber towel and wipe again to take away any streaks.

You could also try a micro work eyeglass cleaner

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The recommendation from LG (and other manufacturers) is "distilled water" and microfiber. Any "regular" water will have mineral deposits that will probably show up when dry. I cleaned mine when I received it with distilled water and microfiber. Since then, I just wipe occasionally with a microfiber cloth to remove any dust. Screen looks great.

I won't argue with the other solutions suggested here, but some similar cleaners also leave deposits and some may damage the screen -- use some caution when trying a "new" solution like applying to a lower corner first.
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Hmm, so I was gonna get a C6 a month ago but that fell through. However I have a chance to get a used 65 inch LG Oled C6 for ~1600 or ~1800 with no image issues, no burn in, dead pixels, or scratches on screen that was purchased in FEB of 2017. They have an extended 3 year warranty starting this feb from squaretrade that is active. Is it worth getting it at this price point?
If you love 3D movies, and if the image is clean...meaning no ghosting/crosstalk...might be your best option.
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How are you guys cleaning your TV's? I have the OLED B6, and I have been using a microfiber towel with a little bit of water. When the TV is off, the black screen kind of looks like it's streaky and it bothers me. First world problems but wondering if anyone is using something better then water on their set.
I purchased a Panel Specific Microfiber cloth that does a pretty good job even with finger prints without the use of any liquid. Though I haven't had to clean with a liquid on this panel my go to for my LCD's was Eye glass cleaning fluid. Its usually alcohol free and since its designed to not affect lens coatings I figured it was totally safe for a panel. Also I find it to be streak free. I figured if its good enough to clean glass that I have to look through 12 hours a day its good enough for a TV.
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I'll tell you what I do...but don't try it at home, I'm a professional. I use an 18 volt Ryobi blower on the screen. Leaves it dust free streak free.



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If you love 3D movies, and if the image is clean...meaning no ghosting/crosstalk...might be your best option.
Shouldn't these models be very good at no ghosting/crosstalk? Also it seems like I would pay 1800 after all, should I take the deal?
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Shouldn't these models be very good at no ghosting/crosstalk? Also it seems like I would pay 1800 after all, should I take the deal?
I never get any ghosting on this TV. The only time I've seen it is if I'm either very off angle (up/down) or too close to the screen. This screen has better 3D than I've seen anywhere else.

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Hmm, so I was gonna get a C6 a month ago but that fell through. However I have a chance to get a used 65 inch LG Oled C6 for ~1600 or ~1800 with no image issues, no burn in, dead pixels, or scratches on screen that was purchased in FEB of 2017. They have an extended 3 year warranty starting this feb from squaretrade that is active. Is it worth getting it at this price point?


That's a steal for what's in my opinion, the very best OLED ever made to date given that it has the last best 3D option I've ever seen. It's already a vetted panel with no issues, which by itself is worth a lot in its own way. And, No, I'm not the seller, I'm keeping my 2 65 C6's to the grave
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I also have the Oppo 203 paired with the C6 and have not noticed this issue when playing back Blade Runner; I have Dunkirk but haven't had a chance to view it yet. My Oppo is a direct one to the TV. I wonder if you have a wonky cable and or if you are passing through an AVR before the TV I wonder if that could be introducing the problem?
Thanks for the reply and checking. I've tested all my cables, gone directly into the TV on all inputs with multiple cables, even found a 4K REMUX of Dunkirk to play off a hard drive directly plugged into the LG TV and has the exact same results. Seems like a tonal mapping issue. Anytime white hits this particular greyscale, it goes pink. Watched the snow scene of 'Inception' last night and there was pink skies everywhere. I always thought it was the HDR grading, but nope. Just my TV doing some funky things.
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Thanks for the reply and checking. I've tested all my cables, gone directly into the TV on all inputs with multiple cables, even found a 4K REMUX of Dunkirk to play off a hard drive directly plugged into the LG TV and has the exact same results. Seems like a tonal mapping issue. Anytime white hits this particular greyscale, it goes pink. Watched the snow scene of 'Inception' last night and there was pink skies everywhere. I always thought it was the HDR grading, but nope. Just my TV doing some funky things.

Apparently there are UHD greyscale ramps/charts available now. And if you see it there, then you have to calibrate the grayscale to get it out. Is it possible you've played with any CMS/Luminance settings whilst in HDR mode and you need to go reset them (a factory reset could test this part out pretty fast)?
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Apparently there are UHD greyscale ramps/charts available now. And if you see it there, then you have to calibrate the grayscale to get it out. Is it possible you've played with any CMS/Luminance settings whilst in HDR mode and you need to go reset them (a factory reset could test this part out pretty fast)?
Ah nice, will see if i can find them Huge help. I haven't changed any of the CMS/Luminance settings, but did a reset of the HDR Standard picture settings and no change. Have yet to do a full factory reset.
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Has anybody had issues with the B6 model not turning on? I turn on my PS4 and hear the sound, however the screen is black. Last time it took 5 minutes for the screen to turn on. Trying it again now and no video signal, just the sound. Can it be fixed?
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How are you guys cleaning your TV's? I have the OLED B6, and I have been using a microfiber towel with a little bit of water. When the TV is off, the black screen kind of looks like it's streaky and it bothers me. First world problems but wondering if anyone is using something better then water on their set.

I use a clean smooth microfiber towel with no liquids to wipe. I never had good luck with using any kind of liquids on TV screens. Even the ones sold specifically for cleaning TV screens

NEVER spray water directly on the TV screen.
If you use a liquid, remember the word "LIGHTLY" literally, like barely a mist of liquid contacting the towel. Those streaks are probably from applying too much water to you microfiber towel. If the towel looks damp, you put too much on it.

The coating on the screen should naturally repeal dirt & what not. A light wipe with a dry microfiber towels should buff away any fingerprints & remove any dust particles.
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