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I'll be curious to hear about how this goes. According to folks on AVForums over in Europe, LG has removed the ability to downgrade. Not sure if this information is true or even what that means technically, but it is the main reason I'm sitting tight on my old 4.31.20 firmware install for the time being.
Yeah, reports seem to suggest the ability to roll back firmware has been removed by LG, so I'm not sure you'll be able to go back.
One other thing to try: some B6 owners who installed the new firmware reported that they needed to revert back to factory settings before the elevated black issue was resolved on their sets.
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what is terrible? your black levels?
Yes. The near black detail is grainy as can be with the raised black levels having no solution. What's even better is that rolling back is now impossible as the TV recognizes the file is an earlier version of the firmware. I'm pretty upset now.
Looks like I'll be sticking with 4.31.20 probably forever. What a joke.
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People complaining about glowing blacks lol. I’ve had this B6 since Jan 2017 calibrated by Chad B in June 2017. I’ve never noticed any glowing blacks and have updated w every firmware US and Korean. If this tv doesn’t do for you buy a cheap led and then you’ll really appreciate the blacks
Well people bought these TVs under the premise that they were getting 100% absolute blacks which yielded a perfect 0 nit measurement.

I recently tested a PS4 Pro and HDR setting on The Last of Us: Remastered. It looks really good the black levels are imperfect. in SDR they are 100% perfect... in HDR I can see a glow... My Pioneer Kuro had deeper black levels than my OLED has in HDR.
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So there's hundreds of pages of material here... Does anyone have a link/guide to good settings on the different modes?


* Best SDR picture
* Best HDR10 Picture
* Best Dolby Vision


I've found plenty of calibrated results for SDR, so I think I've nailed that down really well. ISF Expert Dark Room --> OLED light 40, brightness 50, contrast 100, colour 50, most modes/enhancements switched off. Recently read that 'Medium' colour settings actually gave a nice look and I actually prefer it over 'Warm 2'.

But what about the HDR modes? Any recommended settings there?

I've read some forum notes where apparently HDR Game is the most accurate HDR10 mode?


How about Dolby Vision?

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So there's hundreds of pages of material here... Does anyone have a link/guide to good settings on the different modes?


* Best SDR picture
* Best HDR10 Picture
* Best Dolby Vision


I've found plenty of calibrated results for SDR, so I think I've nailed that down really well. ISF Expert Dark Room --> OLED light 40, brightness 50, contrast 100, colour 50, most modes/enhancements switched off. Recently read that 'Medium' colour settings actually gave a nice look and I actually prefer it over 'Warm 2'.

But what about the HDR modes? Any recommended settings there?

I've read some forum notes where apparently HDR Game is the most accurate HDR10 mode?


How about Dolby Vision?

Thanks.
Warm2 is closest to D65 on my set pre calibration, but if you prefer other settings that's okay.

Leave Dolby Vision settings at default, although turn off any artificial enhancement settings if they're on (and do this for every mode). Use DV dark, and OLED should be at 50. At 50 you still get the peak highlights at maximum nits. Above 50 and you start crushing highlights significantly, to the point where they actually get darker due to ABL.

HDR10 on the other hand needs to have OLED 100 to hit the peak brightness in the highlights. HDR Standard is the most accurate, although it typically won't look as good as DV dark. HDR Game is a darker mode, but gives you a greater dynamic range, less highlight crushing, so for some brighter non game content it may be worth using that mode as well, but no its not more accurate because it's about 1/3 of the brightness of the PQ standard. I use brightness 51 in HDR modes as that results in perfect blacks on my set in HDR, but 50 looks fine.

In SDR my OLED Light is 33, Brightness 52, and Contrast 80. Precalibration the OLED Light and Contrast numbers were slightly different though. I believe optimal contrast was 83 before tweaking the white balance controls. My SDR is calibrated to 145 nits, as that's a good number to combat ABL, and also 100 nit content in HDR Standard runs at around 140 nits, so it's a good benchmark to switch between the two for SDR/HDR comparisons.

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Guys, this is a well know issue, the thing is that is so minimal that you will have to let your eyes adjust in a dark environment for a while. You will have to look really close.

I haven’t complained about this because is very hard to tell in a dark environment with a black pattern and imposible to tell with content.
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My 65c6 just notified me that 05.30.25 is available to download via the TV's updater.

This is a North America model. Downloading now.

Edit: Nothing to get excited about, just a previous firmware that I didn't realize existed =)

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I wonder if upgrading to the latest firmware from a version that does not show the elevated blacks issue (4....) prevents it from reappearing. I have done many tests and my tv does not seem to suffer from it with 5.30.25 but I did have the issue with 5.30.05.

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My 65c6 just notified me that 05.30.25 is available to download via the TV's updater.

This is a North America model. Downloading now.

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The firmware numbers are different between the B6 and the C6.

Based on the European Beta, 05.30.25 is the new firmware for the B6, but 05.30.30 should be the firmware for the C6.

The one you are downloading has been released since March. It does not contain the Dolby Vision fix. That should come in the anticipated 05.30.30 for C6 models.
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Ahh, thanks. Didn't realize. I had my TV disconnected from internet after I downgraded months ago due to dim hdr game mode. Didn't realize there were two updates I'd missed now. False alarm, carry on haha.

I decided to let the thing update in anticipation of the forthcoming firmware cause I care more about fixed Dolby Vision over hdmi than I do about dim hdr game.

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Credit to another thread here. Who wants to test it and see if hdr game mode is brighter on C6?

http://su.lge.com/GlobalSWDownloadCd...V3_SECURED.epk

Whoever tries it, can you first reset the current "dim" HDR game mode to default settings and take some pictures of a dark scene? Then update and try the "new" default settings with the same scene for a definitive before and after?
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Credit to another thread here. Who wants to test it and see if hdr game mode is brighter on C6?

http://su.lge.com/GlobalSWDownloadCd...V3_SECURED.epk

Whoever tries it, can you first reset the current "dim" HDR game mode to default settings and take some pictures of a dark scene? Then update and try the "new" default settings with the same scene for a definitive before and after?
If anybody does this, they will need to make sure to lock the exposure on the camera or the pictures would be meaningless, as the darker mode doesn't lose any shadow detail or anything like that.

Once I get my update I'll do measurements on the tonemapping as I did before. For reference, HDR Game currently preserves details and image dynamics for everything up to the 1500 nit level, compressed to about 600 nits, with the 1500-4000 nit stuff being compressed into the 600-700 nit range.

For comparison, HDR Standard preserves details and dynamics for only the first 500 nits, brightened slightly to the 600 nit level, with 500-4000 nit content being rolled off to the 600-700 nit range. It may actually be a bit less than the 500 nit level that's preserved.

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Hdr Game mode is no longer dim. It looks like hdr standard again. I am the one who found the FW.

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Yes. The near black detail is grainy as can be with the raised black levels having no solution. What's even better is that rolling back is now impossible as the TV recognizes the file is an earlier version of the firmware. I'm pretty upset now.
Is it possible you can't roll back because the firmware is only a beta version maybe when the Official firmware is released that might change?

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Hdr Game mode is no longer dim. It looks like hdr standard again. I am the one who found the FW.

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awesome, you're the man. so you're back at HDR game mode defaults without having to increase color and dynamic contrast on? did you reset the settings in your games? wondering what you've played on your XBOX?
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awesome, you're the man. so you're back at HDR game mode defaults without having to increase color and dynamic contrast on? did you reset the settings in your games? wondering what you've played on your XBOX?
I tried using Dynamic contrast and messing around on HDR game but i found it still looked worse/inconsistent than HDR Standard. So I just used HDR Standard instead of HDR game.

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I tried using Dynamic contrast and messing around on HDR game but i found it still looked worse/inconsistent than HDR Standard. So I just used HDR Standard instead of HDR game.
you mean on the old firmware you used HDR STD, but now you're switching back to HDR GAME since it's been updated to be brighter?
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Hdr Game mode is no longer dim. It looks like hdr standard again. I am the one who found the FW.

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If true this is bigger than the DV fix! Anyone else can confirm this?
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If true this is bigger than the DV fix! Anyone else can confirm this?
I have the beta firmware installed on my C6 as well. I can confirm HDR Game is much brighter, not as bright as the original HDR Game mode, but not far off, no need for Dynamic Contrast etc anymore.
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you mean on the old firmware you used HDR STD, but now you're switching back to HDR GAME since it's been updated to be brighter?
Yes. Keep in mind that I only was able to play with this for 1 hour before going to bed. I did a quick check between the 2 settings, HDR Game/HDR Standard and they looked very similar to my eyes. If there is a difference in brightness, it's nowhere near what it was before.
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I have the beta firmware installed on my C6 as well. I can confirm HDR Game is much brighter, not as bright as the original HDR Game mode, but not far off, no need for Dynamic Contrast etc anymore.
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Yes. Keep in mind that I only was able to play with this for 1 hour before going to bed. I did a quick check between the 2 settings, HDR Game/HDR Standard and they looked very similar to my eyes. If there is a difference in brightness, it's nowhere near what it was before.
either way, this is all good news for us 2016 owners!
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So eventually they "fixed" it.. I wonder why , is it was really a bug ? and why did it happen ? and why did they fixed it eventually ?
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Well since the Korean software seems to pose no problems I guess I will update. Fat 32 and what did the folder name need to be?

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So eventually they "fixed" it.. I wonder why , is it was really a bug ? and why did it happen ? and why did they fixed it eventually ?

Not a bug. They lowered brightness to retain detail in bright scenes, and as a result of the tone mapping algorithm darker scenes get lowered as well (since there is no dynamic metadata in the game). Depending on the max nits of a game, this can either have a big effect or not much of one at all.



It really comes down to whether you prefer an overall brighter picture where you lose some detail in bright scenes VS a dimmer picture that lets you see more detail on screen. Most picture quality enthusiasts prefer the latter.



Also, a lot of this can be mitigated to some degree with games that include an HDR slider like Assassins Creed Origins, where you can lower the max nits of the game and as a result get less aggressive tone mapping.
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1. Download FW
2. Get USB thumb drive
3. Create folder "LG_DTV" in root of thumb drive
4. Copy FW to folder that folder (no need to change filename)
5. Insert thumb drive in TV
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Is this the update that will finally get me off 4.31? I'd like a DV player at some point. 65c
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Is this for the C6 or the B6 model? I am not a gamer so I never use HDR game mode so the update is of no rush to me. Just asking out of curiosity.

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If you guys would PLEASE put/add your model number in your signature that will display at the bottom of your posts, it would be a really big help. At least then people would know which model you're using and referring to.
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For those that did not like the dim HDR Game mode, was the solution to set Dynamic Contrast to High while also increasing the Color setting? I've noticed that if I set Dynamic Contrast to High, I see more detail in darker scenes, but the color isn't the same. Like it looks a bit more washed out? But increasing the Color to like 80-85, makes it look like it's back to where it was with Dynamic Contrast off. I've been playing a lot of Resident Evil 7 lately on Xbox One X and I've noticed that enabling DC to High gives me much more detail and the environment isn't so dark and crushing detail, while scenes that are black still look like OLED blacks.

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SO this FW fixes DV AND HDR Game?

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