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Do lg oleds after 6 series have issues with these elevated blacks? Or is it just the 6 series.
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Do lg oleds after 6 series have issues with these elevated blacks? Or is it just the 6 series.
The B6 is the sole model in LG's lineup that suffers from the elevated blacks bug. The other *6 models are all fine, and all of the future models are fine, to the best of my knowledge. The B6 was the only 4K OLED model they used the Realtek chipset for, and they seemed to learn their lesson after that.
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Hi all. So a few months ago I started to notice really weird skin tone distortions and other green/yellow shifts especially when watching golf or football. I final got around to casting some solid colors on the screen and sure enough... it doesn't looks good. Pictures attached.

I reach out to LG and of course they said a tech would need to come see it. However, my knee-jerk is that that looks like permanent panel damage. Am I wrong? Obviously I'm well out of warranty at this point so I'm not inclined to go down the LG repair route.

I'm a bit surprised by this I must say. I've loved this set but I'm a little trepidatious now about replacing it with another OLED.
Have you tried running the Clear Panel Noise?
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Well, I mean, there isn't going to be Atmos from the internal app since the C6 doesn't support Atmos over ARC. What I was saying is I can get Atmos with an external device (Roku) but it's HDR 10. If I use the internal app I forgo Atmos, but I get Dolby Vision. For me, I think the Dolby Vision wins over having Atmos.
Just curious, do you have Atmos speakers, but still rather prefer DV over Atmos? Or you don't have Atmos speakers, which is why you prefer DV over HDR10?

I have a bit of the same conundrum with by C6. I prefer 7.1 TrueHD+Atmos with HDR10 from UHD Blu-ray, over compressed 5.1 with DV from Netflix.
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Just curious, do you have Atmos speakers, but still rather prefer DV over Atmos? Or you don't have Atmos speakers, which is why you prefer DV over HDR10?



I have a bit of the same conundrum with by C6. I prefer 7.1 TrueHD+Atmos with HDR10 from UHD Blu-ray, over compressed 5.1 with DV from Netflix.
The C6 doesn't support Atmos. That's why they stated they just Atmos with external devices. The external devices may only support HDR while the tv can support HDR and Dolby vision

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Just curious, do you have Atmos speakers, but still rather prefer DV over Atmos? Or you don't have Atmos speakers, which is why you prefer DV over HDR10?
I have an atmos setup, but if I have to choose I would choose DV over having Atmos.
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C6 owner here with an odd problem. I'm trying to record the signal strength and quality for all of the OTA channels I receive so I can compare antennas.
My issue is that not all of the channels that I see while surfing show up in the manual tuning menu screens.
To the best of my knowledge, all of the stations are in the DTV Antenna section. I don't have cable and I've gone through the DTV Analog section manuall just to be sure.
I am also aware of sub-channels. They do not show up in the manual tuning screen but all of the sub-channels for the channels that do show up would not account for all of the missing channels. Also, the missing channels do not show up as sub-channels while surfing.
I have rerun the automatic scan which did not change anything.
I'm curious to see if anyone else has had a similar issue, or can reproduce my issue on their TV.
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C6 owner here with an odd problem. I'm trying to record the signal strength and quality for all of the OTA channels I receive so I can compare antennas.
My issue is that not all of the channels that I see while surfing show up in the manual tuning menu screens.
To the best of my knowledge, all of the stations are in the DTV Antenna section. I don't have cable and I've gone through the DTV Analog section manuall just to be sure.
I am also aware of sub-channels. They do not show up in the manual tuning screen but all of the sub-channels for the channels that do show up would not account for all of the missing channels. Also, the missing channels do not show up as sub-channels while surfing.
I have rerun the automatic scan which did not change anything.
I'm curious to see if anyone else has had a similar issue, or can reproduce my issue on their TV.
Sub channels can be given it's own virtual channel so that it looks like a "main channel". The tuner will only show the main virtual channel of the physical channel you are viewing. This is good and bad for you. It's good because you will only need to compare 1 channel rather than 2 or more, but you need to find out what the physical channel is for that network. Use this listing: https://www.rabbitears.info/market.php


For example (virtual) 46.1 in Boston also broadcasts (virtual) 62.1. The LG tuner manual signal screen would only show (virtual) 46.1 under (physical) Channel 10 and 62.1 would not be view-able.

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Sub channels can be given it's own virtual channel so that it looks like a "main channel".
Thanks for quick reply! I reconciled my current list with the info on the site you supplied and it matched perfectly!
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Hi, I was on last firmware 04.31.25 (EU) with true black working properly as most of you known. After reading everywhere people who tried and was happy to upgrade I decide to give it a chance trying to install the last firmware 05.30.65 to see if the black glow was finally fixed. My final conclutions are this... black glow is till present in this last firmware unfortunately. Playing HDR movie "madmax fury road" ex. is definitely easy to see the black glow almost like an LCD..
I'm trying to downgrade like I did before with the fw 05.30.03 but now with this .65 a message came out saying is not possible to upgrade because the fw is older

In SDR the black glow is almost imperceptible and very dificult to see in movies, but is present too...

Near black is better only in SDR, brightness at 50 is enough with not pulsation in very low stimulus 1% 2% etc...

I'm very dissapinted I have to say...

I miss up also my entire 3DLUT too

if someone know how to downgrade, please I will very gratefull to one hand... or even trying beta firmware? I don't know what else is possible to do honestly..

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Should have asked before. No I don't think it's possible to downgrade anymore. They put something in the firmware to detect and prevent that I believe.
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There is new FW 05.30.80 dated 1/8/20 for US/KR C6/E6 on LG Korea

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Ⓨ Added HEVC logo to the user guide (05.30.80)
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Should have asked before. No I don't think it's possible to downgrade anymore. They put something in the firmware to detect and prevent that I believe.
I made it, thank God .. and yes only with the downgrade method I was able to upgrade to de "beta" 05.40.03" same issue on this last fw too... HDR10 movies seems like an LCD... and then I was able to downgrade to the right firmware working properly 04.31.25...

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and then I was able to downgrade to the right firmware working properly 04.31.25...

It works "properly" for you because of your personal preference. That really doesn't mean old firmware is "proper" for anyone else.
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It works "properly" for you because of your personal preference. That really doesn't mean old firmware is "proper" for anyone else.
Of course my only preference from this and others OLDE's technology is the true black, infinity contrast as it should be (theoretically and practically) and of those people who loves watching movies in a completely dark room,. Everyone has different's preferences and I respect them without disagreements..
The only thing that make me so nervous sadly is from LG Display, it seem they can't fix this at the moment in time for the reason that we all already know on B line series
with a different chipset...

With the new and last firmware I saw near black improvements like using brightness at 50 in (SDR) but is possible to get the same near black or better on 04.31.25 using brightness at 53/54 (YCbCr/RGB signal output) with Gamma 2.4/Bt1886 and -8 Blue cut to get back true blacks like I been using all these years.. HDR10 I was able to calibrate it using the white balance control from Service Menu and even so the EOTF curve was off and brighter like it should...

No color banding improvements, no in my tests with color ramps test patterns... SDR and HDR modes have the same gradation like before..

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There is new FW 05.30.80 dated 1/8/20 for US/KR C6/E6 on LG Korea

Release notes say:
Ⓨ Added HEVC logo to the user guide (05.30.80)
I wonder if there are any other "unlisted" modifications, as LG tends to do.
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Do lg oleds after 6 series have issues with these elevated blacks? Or is it just the 6 series.
Are "elevated blacks" also known as "black crush"?

ALSO, could anyone care to share an UPDATED settings list, specially for HDR/DOLBY? Much appreciated!
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I wonder if there are any other "unlisted" modifications, as LG tends to do.
I applied it and smooth sailing so far. I haven't noticed any changes

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Unhappy DV 30Hz limit

I just bought a new nVidia Shield TV Pro (2019) and this is my first disappointment of the year with my LG OLED C6 because apparently, the Shield setting will only let me do 4K with HDR10 at 60Hz. The only way I can use Dolby Vision is if I change the entire setting to 4K with HDR10 and DV at 30Hz and doing that gives me a warning about slow performance, of course, it's 30Hz.

I don't know why nVidia can't just automatically change the setting when watching a DV enabled movie/stream instead of having to manually alter the global setting to 30Hz including the GUI. Needless to say, I'm mildly disappointed, as even though there's not a lot of DV materials out there - even less in games, it's a PITA to have to change settings to use DV. Also sucks having to find out this way about the C6 limitation of DV only at 30Hz.

On the bright side, I STILL LOVE the 3D on the C6. My wife and I weren't big on 3D until we got this OLED panel. I guess it's a fair trade-off. That and that the Shield has a very impressive gamestream feature which is one of the reasons why I upgraded to the Shield Pro from my old Zappiti 4K Mini HDR.

One thing I want to know is, is this limitation of the hardware or is it possible to be upgraded via software (re: DV mode only supported up to 30Hz)? Also, just saw the thread about people complaining about the black levels, is the C6 also experiencing this or is the bug just with the B6? Thanks fellas!

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One thing I want to know is, is this limitation of the hardware or is it possible to be upgraded via software (re: DV mode only supported up to 30Hz)? Also, just saw the thread about people complaining about the black levels, is the C6 also experiencing this or is the bug just with the B6? Thanks fellas!
Someone here correct me if I am wrong but I believe the DV at 30 Hz or below limitation is due to the SoC (i.e. processor) used in the C, E, and G 2016 models and thus cannot be fixed with a firmware update. I believe the same limitation also applies to the 2016 B series which used the Mediatek SoC. For me personally this DV limitation doesn’t matter that much since the majority of DV content I wish to watch is from UHD discs at 24 fps which the C6 does support. However I read that Netflix is beginning to convert their new Dolby Vision content to 60 Hz only which of course would suck for C6 owners like us but at least we could get that content in HDR10. The incredible 3D the C6 offers more than offsets these relatively minor annoyances IMHO.

Regarding the black levels you mentioned the elevated black levels issue only affected the B6 models with the Mediatek SoC.

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Someone here correct me if I am wrong but I believe the DV at 30 Hz or below limitation is due to the SoC (i.e. processor) used in the C, E, and G 2016 models and thus cannot be fixed with a firmware update. I believe the same limitation also applies to the 2016 B series which used the Mediatek SoC. For me personally this DV limitation doesn’t matter that much since the majority of DV content I wish to watch is from UHD discs at 24 fps which the C6 does support. However I read that Netflix is beginning to convert their new Dolby Vision content to 60 Hz only which of course would suck for C6 owners like us but at least we could get that content in HDR10. The incredible 3D the C6 offers more than offsets these relatively minor annoyances IMHO.

Regarding the black levels you mentioned the elevated black levels issue only affected the B6 models with the Mediatek SoC.
There's no chance that netflix would intentionally add judder to their DV content. Most shows are filmed at 24fps, and Netflix likes to deliver content at their original frame rates. It would also be particularly stupid if netflix started filming everything at 60fps.

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However I read that Netflix is beginning to convert their new Dolby Vision content to 60 Hz only which of course would suck for C6 owners like us but at least we could get that content in HDR10. The incredible 3D the C6 offers more than offsets these relatively minor annoyances IMHO.

Regarding the black levels you mentioned the elevated black levels issue only affected the B6 models with the Mediatek SoC.
where did you read that? will be bummed if this happens soon, after a year it will be ok as an tv upgrade will be due

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where did you read that? will be bummed if this happens soon, after a year it will be ok as an tv upgrade will be due
Actually I thought I had read that in the AVS Roku Premiere/Ultra thread but I just skimmed through the last month of the thread and could not find the reference. Discussing Dolby Vision in a Roku thread would be odd anyway since the Roku does not support DV. My apologies for being “that guy” that starts circulating unsubstantiated rumors on the InterWeb!

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There's no chance that netflix would intentionally add judder to their DV content. Most shows are filmed at 24fps, and Netflix likes to deliver content at their original frame rates. It would also be particularly stupid if netflix started filming everything at 60fps.
Yeah, I don't see any streaming service willingly increasing the bandwidth usage of their original shows massively to produce them at a higher framerate, especially when the tests Peter Jackson ran with the Hobbit films showed that viewers still generally find higher framerates uncomfortable for non-live content.
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I have to say that after upgrading from the last 4.xxxx perfect black-firmware to the newest firmware available here in Norway, we’ve gotten a much better tv. Gone are the horrible banding and the near black smearing or whatever it is called and as we watch in a not completely dark room we don’t notice anything amiss with the blacks.

I even turned off all the lights and put on a 100% black film clip and I stared and stared at the screen and couldn’t see any glow or anything. Looked completely black to me.
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Exclamation New Firmware for B6? (Korean site dated 1-16-2020)

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I have to say that after upgrading from the last 4.xxxx perfect black-firmware to the newest firmware available here in Norway, we’ve gotten a much better tv. Gone are the horrible banding and the near black smearing or whatever it is called and as we watch in a not completely dark room we don’t notice anything amiss with the blacks.

I even turned off all the lights and put on a 100% black film clip and I stared and stared at the screen and couldn’t see any glow or anything. Looked completely black to me.
Good to hear... but... just to clarify. Because this thread discusses both the 2016 B6 and C6... I'm assuming you have a B6 since it was the only one affected by the dreaded black glow after updating the firmware.

That said... was version did you just install? I just noticed the LG Korean site just added a newer version Yesterday! To get to the update, click this Korean Site hyperlink then enter OLEDXXB6K in the search bar at the top of the page - see thumbnail) The Korean site still seems to get frequent updates (at least compared to the US) I'm always hopeful a fix for the black glow will sneak in to one of these updates.

The latest available in the US is 05.30.60. - Date 05/07-2019

The UK is showing 05.30.65. - Dated 05-24-2019

The Korean website is showing 05.30.85 - Dated 01-16-2020
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I have to say that after upgrading from the last 4.xxxx perfect black-firmware to the newest firmware available here in Norway, we’ve gotten a much better tv. Gone are the horrible banding and the near black smearing or whatever it is called and as we watch in a not completely dark room we don’t notice anything amiss with the blacks.

I even turned off all the lights and put on a 100% black film clip and I stared and stared at the screen and couldn’t see any glow or anything. Looked completely black to me.

Interesting. I'll run some tests over the next couple weeks on the latest US firmware (05.30.60) to see if they've potentially improved the black glow issue in the intervening versions, since the last one I tried was the original 05.x release.
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The Korean website is showing 05.30.85 - Dated 01-16-2020

The local Korean versions of LG firmware are often updated for minor factors that they don't bother pushing updates to other regions for. Now, there may always be changes unlisted in the changelog, but if you believe their changelog, the last three Korean updates that didn't get ported over were:
  • Respond to video issue when powering on IP channel (Channel +) (05.30.70)
  • Improved Watcha Play Game of Thrones inconsistent video and audio time (05.30.75)
  • Added HEVC Logo to User Guide (05.30.85)
So the official changes consist mostly of region-specific fixes (e.g., Watcha Play fixes) and legal coverage (including a logo in the user guide was probably required for licensing rules for HEVC and they had left it out before). Those sorts of changes likely will only end up released in other countries as part of a roll-up release if there's another security update required (like 05.30.60) or something along those lines.
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The local Korean versions of LG firmware are often updated for minor factors that they don't bother pushing updates to other regions for. Now, there may always be changes unlisted in the changelog, but if you believe their changelog, the last three Korean updates that didn't get ported over were:
  • Respond to video issue when powering on IP channel (Channel +) (05.30.70)
  • Improved Watcha Play Game of Thrones inconsistent video and audio time (05.30.75)
  • Added HEVC Logo to User Guide (05.30.85)
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Interesting... I was still working on the webpage translation when you replied. Now that the dust has settled I'm afraid any confusion was on my part. The LG Korean site originally added 05.30.80 (which I was able to download) back on 1/8/2020 ... but... in looking back through this forum I now see 05.30.80 (Added HEVC Logo to the User Guide) was for the C6 . DOH!

It would seem the B6 just got the update yesterday (Change log attached)
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Was hoping someone could help me with this....

I have a 55” C6 as well as a 55” B7. The remote for the B7 (or perhaps the tv itself) allows me to directly access an app when you hold down a number on the remote after being programmed. For example, after programming the function by simply holding down #1 when I’m in the YouTube app I can simply hold the #1 button, even when off, and it will go right to YouTube.

I’ve really enjoyed the convenience of this feature so I tried to do the same thing with the C6 but no luck as it doesn’t seem to have that function.

Can anyone tell me if their C6 has this direct app access via the remote? If it’s something built into the remote then I’ll just get another remote. But if the C6 doesn’t support this function then of course I won’t waste my money.

Any help would be appreciated. I tried searching this thread but was unable to find anything.
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