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PRO-630HD 04-16-2016 03:48 PM

2016 LG C6-B6 owners thread
 
I plan on getting a 65C6P and since we already have owners of the 55C6P I figured an owners thread is due.

Especially curios about panel uniformity, near black issues, content playback for UHD HDR Bluray, 3D, etc.

Dianabol5mg 04-16-2016 04:47 PM

Where are the C owners?

tazz3 05-01-2016 08:23 PM

I was just reading about these on the b model future owner i hope

aduljr 05-02-2016 03:04 PM

i wasnt aware the C-line was even out yet.

PRO-630HD 05-02-2016 03:50 PM

The 55c6p is.

PRO-630HD 05-08-2016 07:53 AM

Not the most in depth, but 1st review I have seen for the C6

http://www.whathifi.com/lg/oled55c6v/review

PRO-630HD 05-11-2016 08:53 PM


Good clip of the 65c6p. I really like the black finish vs. silver on the stand. At my local Best Buy that has a Magnolia they have the E6 sitting right next to a EF9500 both 65in. sets. I was wondering the picture on glass would enhance PQ. They were both playing a demo in sync with each other. I honestly could barely tell the difference and the E6 is 50% brighter. Having Polk LSI speakers in a 7.1 system I don't see the need for the soundbar and the PQ should be identical. I think I will stick with the C series as I really like 3D too much to give it up and just live with the curve. I had a EG9100 for a bit and never really noticed it.

ray0414 05-11-2016 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD (Post 43964906)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUs_CdgsQlI

Good clip of the 65c6p. I really like the black finish vs. silver on the stand. At my local Best Buy that has a Magnolia they have the E6 sitting right next to a EF9500 both 65in. sets. I was wondering the picture on glass would enhance PQ. They were both playing a demo in sync with each other. I honestly could barely tell the difference and the E6 is 50% brighter. Having Polk LSI speakers in a 7.1 system I don't see the need for the soundbar and the PQ should be identical. I think I will stick with the C series as I really like 3D too much to give it up and just live with the curve. I had a EG9100 for a bit and never really noticed it.


Did you notice any difference in colors or vibrancy compared to the ef95?

The c6 is also on my radar later this year, I actually prefer the curve since I sit dead center.

video_analysis 05-11-2016 09:02 PM

I just saw a G6 photo in the owner thread that has the best uniformity of any E6 so far. Probably panel lottery. I wish I knew the lucky #s.:mad:

PRO-630HD 05-12-2016 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 43965050)
Did you notice any difference in colors or vibrancy compared to the ef95?

The c6 is also on my radar later this year, I actually prefer the curve since I sit dead center.

I would there was a subtle improvement. I don't know what modes the TV's were in either. They could have both been in vivid. I think roughly the EF9500 was what 86% DCI-P3, while the E6 can do 96% according to reviews. The 50% increase in brightness also is in a 10% window. We will have to wait for a rtings review to see what the difference is at 50% and above.

venus933 05-13-2016 08:24 PM

In terms of esthetics the C6 looks exponentially better than the G6/E6 models. IMO of course.

It should be noted that many former EF9500 owners are boasting their G6/E6 televisions are a big improvement. Looking forward to hearing from C6 owners.

Nitemare3219 05-16-2016 03:17 PM

Previously a 55EG9600 owner and now a proud 55C6P owner. Huge upgrade over last year. Definitely happy with this purchase.

PRO-630HD 05-16-2016 03:31 PM

Explain in more detail please?!

venus933 05-16-2016 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitemare3219 (Post 44068722)
Previously a 55EG9600 owner and now a proud 55C6P owner. Huge upgrade over last year. Definitely happy with this purchase.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD (Post 44069042)
Explain in more detail please?!

I second that! You're going to be the most interesting human being in this thread with any comments and photos.

ray0414 05-16-2016 06:50 PM

Yea I'm curious to hear about the differences with full screen brightness, color vibrancy, and upscale of lower sources such as cable tv compared to the 2015 oleds.
I currently have a Samsung js9500 and entertaining the idea of grabbing the curved C6 as long as it's not dark like the 2015 oleds.

Gillietalls 05-17-2016 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 44073458)
Yea I'm curious to hear about the differences with full screen brightness, color vibrancy, and upscale of lower sources such as cable tv compared to the 2015 oleds.
I currently have a Samsung js9500 and entertaining the idea of grabbing the curved C6 as long as it's not dark like the 2015 oleds.

I'm with you. I just bought a 55 inch E6 for my bedroom but want a 65 C6 or KS9800 for my 'man loft' area. There's a lot of light that comes into the room so I need it to be bright as well. Hopefully, as bright as the E6.

Sinabon 05-17-2016 08:03 AM

Looks like Best Buy just added the C6 and B6 on their website within the last 24 hours. I expected they were trying to offload the EF9500 lineup before releasing. Last I checked BB stock had under 5 of most sizes in the EF9500 line.

I think we will see the B6 and C6 end of month or early June.

My intention is to pick up a 55" in either model, will wait to see them in person before making my decision. I'm upgrading from a Samsung JS8000.

Nitemare3219 05-17-2016 09:35 AM

What would you guys like to know?

-The input lag for gaming is MUCH improved. It is 100% manageable in my opinion.
-Color vibrancy or anything like that, I've not really noticed a difference. 99% of the time this TV is used with my PC at 4:4:4 chroma in PC mode. I do watch movies on it as well, but not UHD or HDR Blurays... yet.
-Near-black edge luminosity is entirely fixed. Out of the box it looked great. I haven't tested other than when I first took it out of the box about a month ago, but I can do that if you'd like.
-The black bezels are a little larger this year, but that's probably required to fix the previous gen near-black issue mentioned above.
-The updated design is a lot nicer. Gone is the weird white, now replaced with a space gray. The IR wart at the bottom is much smaller too.
-Brightness is noticeably higher.

Oh yeah... I have had a strange artifacting issue. I haven't followed any of the threads here lately so I don't know if anyone else has had it or not. Basically, the screen will rapidly shift color for about a single frame - the overall image is still there, but the color is way off. Like I said it's a quick flash that occurs. It happens not even once per use, so it's not like it's a big issue, but it's a potential concern if hardware is failing. I haven't noticed it on regular TV using HDMI 2, but I don't watch TV very often at all so it may not have had time to occur yet.

Could be the cable or my GPU (Titan X) I suppose, but I'm using a short KabelDirekt HDMI cable which are pretty top notch. I've gone through several driver updates for my GPUs and the TV. This could be a really hard issue to nail down if nobody else has had anything similar occurring, but from my brief glance at the other thread I have seen some people complaining about something with the new TVs? Going to look more into that now.

dkwong 05-17-2016 10:29 AM

Time for the obligatory 5% and 100% slides? :)

ray0414 05-17-2016 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitemare3219 (Post 44086058)
What would you guys like to know?


What size do you have?

NintendoManiac64 05-17-2016 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitemare3219 (Post 44086058)
or my GPU (Titan X)

I could have sworn I heard about a GPU driver issue doing something like that, but I don't recall whether if it was indeed with an Nvidia GPU...

venus933 05-17-2016 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 44092426)
What size do you have?

He indicated earlier he had the 55 inch model.

venus933 05-17-2016 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitemare3219 (Post 44086058)
What would you guys like to know?

If you're taking pictures I would be interested in some of of the back panel (assuming your TV is not wall mounted). Thanks.

Perhaps your issue is the white flashing some E6 owners are experiencing - 2016 LG OLED 65G6P and 65E6P Owners Thread

ChaosCloud 05-17-2016 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitemare3219 (Post 44086058)
Oh yeah... I have had a strange artifacting issue. I haven't followed any of the threads here lately so I don't know if anyone else has had it or not. Basically, the screen will rapidly shift color for about a single frame - the overall image is still there, but the color is way off. Like I said it's a quick flash that occurs. It happens not even once per use, so it's not like it's a big issue, but it's a potential concern if hardware is failing. I haven't noticed it on regular TV using HDMI 2, but I don't watch TV very often at all so it may not have had time to occur yet.

Could be the cable or my GPU (Titan X) I suppose, but I'm using a short KabelDirekt HDMI cable which are pretty top notch. I've gone through several driver updates for my GPUs and the TV. This could be a really hard issue to nail down if nobody else has had anything similar occurring, but from my brief glance at the other thread I have seen some people complaining about something with the new TVs? Going to look more into that now.

Not sure if it's the same issue you are describing, but I've read many reports of bright/white flashes with the 2016 sets, both here and on AVF. See this post

Also, I was curious if you had tried feeding the TV a 1920x1080 signal from your video card, if you could get a higher refresh rate than 60 Hz.

wales 05-17-2016 05:53 PM

Has anyone thought about splitting the C6 and B6 into separate threads? This being the C6 thread (we have one owner!) if retired or moved. If so, the next few days or so before the first B6s ship would be the time to do it. Curved vs. flat and 3D vs. no 3D will likely create discussion unique to each and seem like big enough differences to justify it. Also, the B6 is likely to be far and away the biggest seller and may need a thread unto its own.

Just throwing it out there.

slowcarboost 05-17-2016 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wales (Post 44100522)
Has anyone thought about splitting the C6 and B6 into separate threads? This being the C6 thread (we have one owner!) if retired or moved. If so, the next few days or so before the first B6s ship would be the time to do it. Curved vs. flat and 3D vs. no 3D will likely create discussion unique to each and seem like big enough differences to justify it. Also, the B6 is likely to be far and away the biggest seller and may need a thread unto its own.



Just throwing it out there.



I really don't think that's necessary. I don't need another thread to keep track of! I think all 4 should be in the same thread. They all have the same pq.

slowcarboost 05-17-2016 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venus933 (Post 44097146)
If you're taking pictures I would be interested in some of of the back panel (assuming your TV is not wall mounted). Thanks.

Perhaps your issue is the white flashing some E6 owners are experiencing - 2016 LG OLED 65G6P and 65E6P Owners Thread



I'd like to see the back too. I'd like to see pics of the design in general. I'd like to see if the bezel is exactly the same as last year.

dkwong 05-17-2016 06:17 PM

LG's website has front and back photos: http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-OLED65C6P-oled-4k-tv. Looks very similar to the 2015 series, down to where the stand attaches and where the ports are.

YesManQ8 05-17-2016 06:40 PM

Does the 2016 models still have the judder problem? Also is "five hundred and something" nits enough? It concerns me because it's already low compared to LED and a percentage of it is going to be lost in few years anyways. Meaning I won't be able to compensate the lost nits by increasing brightness level settings because I'm already watching at full brightness.

wales 05-17-2016 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slowcarboost (Post 44100618)
I really don't think that's necessary. I don't need another thread to keep track of! I think all 4 should be in the same thread. They all have the same pq.

Yeah, I hear you. I think the C should go in with the G and E because of the 3D and then we'd have two owners threads but that ship has sailed. Maybe they will shut down the general thread once there are owners threads for all 4 models.

I could be wrong, but I see a lot of 3D/crosstalk discussion in here that will be irrelevant and annoying to the vast majority of B6 owners and potential buyers. The curved vs flat may also introduce different screen uniformaity issues unique to both, but maybe they will be the same.

venus933 05-17-2016 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YesManQ8 (Post 44101642)
Does the 2016 models still have the judder problem? Also is "five hundred and something" nits enough? It concerns me because it's already low compared to LED and a percentage of it is going to be lost in few years anyways. Meaning I won't be able to compensate the lost nits by increasing brightness level settings because I'm already watching at full brightness.

Not nearly bright enough, best to go with the much better LCD backlight display technology. You also have the side benefit of not needing to go outside for a suntan.

Nitemare3219 05-17-2016 10:34 PM

So comments on the photos... there is a light directly behind me on the 100% white slide, so there is a slight cast of yellow on the screen. Rest assured the white is pure white with no lack of uniformity that I can easily see. This picture is at 100 OLED light.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7645/2...88fd7beb_h.jpg

The first 5% slide is at 100 OLED light. The second is at 0 OLED light. The camera shutter and ISO were compensated to produce photos that aided in visibility of the panel. The banding you see is there, but it is VERY hard to see. The camera exacerbates the issue. Also, in normal content, especially moving content, you would never have the potential for this to even become visible.

The center of the screen is a HAIR darker than the edges - funny how that works after last year. Again, something I didn't even notice until I looked at the photo and then looked really hard at the panel itself to notice it.

I have not run any manual compensation cycles, and the set only has 66 hours.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7579/2...b610cc16_h.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7321/2...a52925c2_h.jpg

The back of the TV panel is a brushed stainless gray look. Really pleasing to the eye (except you'll never see it back there LOL). The plastic housing is a flat gray.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7442/2...71579ad4_h.jpg

The side and top black bezels are bigger than last year, primarily the top, but nothing extreme. As you can (maybe) see the IR wart at the bottom with the LG logo is a lot smaller.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7733/2...d2204ab9_h.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosCloud (Post 44097554)
Not sure if it's the same issue you are describing, but I've read many reports of bright/white flashes with the 2016 sets, both here and on AVF. See this post

Also, I was curious if you had tried feeding the TV a 1920x1080 signal from your video card, if you could get a higher refresh rate than 60 Hz.

It's definitely not a white flash of any sort. It's a flicker of incorrect color across the entire panel. My desktop still clearly looks like my desktop when it happens.

TV will not do 120 Hz input at 1080p.

Quote:

Originally Posted by YesManQ8 (Post 44101642)
Does the 2016 models still have the judder problem? Also is "five hundred and something" nits enough? It concerns me because it's already low compared to LED and a percentage of it is going to be lost in few years anyways. Meaning I won't be able to compensate the lost nits by increasing brightness level settings because I'm already watching at full brightness.

I thought the EF9500 didn't have the judder issue. I don't think I ever noticed it either way, and I don't have any issues on my C6 now. I think the TV is plenty bright. Believe me, contrast makes up for whatever you think you'll enjoy in retina searing brightness from newer LED TVs. There is nothing like an OLED.

pbakp 05-18-2016 02:56 AM

I just got confirmation from Nordic Partner Director at LG, that B/E/G basically has the same screen.
Difference is that E/G has:

3D support,
More powerfull processor (probably due to 3D support.)
Soundbar
2 Premium remotes
Premium designs

So as he says - You won't be able to notice differnece in picture quality, when viewing 2D on either.

Gillietalls 05-18-2016 05:42 AM

Pics
 
@Nitemare3219. May we please have some pictures of some content (either blu ray or cable). Forget some slides....

greenland 05-18-2016 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbakp (Post 44106794)
I just got confirmation from Nordic Partner Director at LG, that B/E/G basically has the same screen.
Difference is that E/G has:

3D support,
More powerfull processor (probably due to 3D support.)
Soundbar
2 Premium remotes
Premium designs

So as he says - You won't be able to notice differnece in picture quality, when viewing 2D on either.

Does the C model also have the more powerful processor, since it also has the 3D feature?

pbakp 05-18-2016 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenland (Post 44108738)
Does the C model also have the more powerful processor, since it also has the 3D feature?

It stands to reason, that it does

RickD_99 05-18-2016 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitemare3219 (Post 44068722)
Previously a 55EG9600 owner and now a proud 55C6P owner. Huge upgrade over last year. Definitely happy with this purchase.

Can you comment on the 3D performance of your C6? Was wondering if there are any crosstalk/distortion issues when viewing 3D on the C6 as compared to the EG9600 you had before....

zubinh 05-18-2016 08:57 AM

Best Buy is showing the 65" C6 and the 65" E6 for the same price ($5999). I would've thought the C6 would be lower

PRO-630HD 05-18-2016 09:30 AM

That is because the 65C6P isn't out yet. It will drop in price. I am hoping $4,500 is the new standard for the entry level 65in. OLED's. Samsung is offering a $1,500 rebate on it's KS9000 in the 65in. size at $3,000 and LED HDR displays are a lot cheaper than last year.

When the 65EF9500 launched it had a MSRP of $7,000 and LG quickly offered a $2,000 rebate bringing the price to $5,000 within a month of appearing.

pbakp 05-18-2016 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zubinh (Post 44113538)
Best Buy is showing the 65" C6 and the 65" E6 for the same price ($5999). I would've thought the C6 would be lower

Seems like a mistake. The C6 is around $3500 here.. The Pricing seems right for the E6

PRO-630HD 05-18-2016 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbakp (Post 44115130)
Seems like a mistake. The C6 is around $3500 here.. The Pricing seems right for the E6

$3,500 where?

zubinh 05-18-2016 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD (Post 44114482)
That is because the 65C6P isn't out yet. It will drop in price. I am hoping $4,500 is the new standard for the entry level 65in. OLED's. Samsung is offering a $1,500 rebate on it's KS9000 in the 65in. size at $3,000 and LED HDR displays are a lot cheaper than last year.

When the 65EF9500 launched it had a MSRP of $7,000 and LG quickly offered a $2,000 rebate bringing the price to $5,000 within a month of appearing.

$1500 rebate on the KS9000? Man, that is a nice incentive. If the viewing angle wasn't so bad I would forget about getting a B6

sytech 05-18-2016 10:12 AM

Except for the banding it looks pretty good. Do they show up in any content like panning across a soccer or football field?

drewTT 05-18-2016 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitemare3219 (Post 44105578)
So comments on the photos... there is a light directly behind me on the 100% white slide, so there is a slight cast of yellow on the screen. Rest assured the white is pure white with no lack of uniformity that I can easily see. This picture is at 100 OLED light.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7645/2...88fd7beb_h.jpg

The first 5% slide is at 100 OLED light. The second is at 0 OLED light. The camera shutter and ISO were compensated to produce photos that aided in visibility of the panel. The banding you see is there, but it is VERY hard to see. The camera exacerbates the issue. Also, in normal content, especially moving content, you would never have the potential for this to even become visible.

The center of the screen is a HAIR darker than the edges - funny how that works after last year. Again, something I didn't even notice until I looked at the photo and then looked really hard at the panel itself to notice it.

I have not run any manual compensation cycles, and the set only has 66 hours.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7579/2...b610cc16_h.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7321/2...a52925c2_h.jpg

The back of the TV panel is a brushed stainless gray look. Really pleasing to the eye (except you'll never see it back there LOL). The plastic housing is a flat gray.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7442/2...71579ad4_h.jpg

The side and top black bezels are bigger than last year, primarily the top, but nothing extreme. As you can (maybe) see the IR wart at the bottom with the LG logo is a lot smaller.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7733/2...d2204ab9_h.jpg



It's definitely not a white flash of any sort. It's a flicker of incorrect color across the entire panel. My desktop still clearly looks like my desktop when it happens.

TV will not do 120 Hz input at 1080p.



I thought the EF9500 didn't have the judder issue. I don't think I ever noticed it either way, and I don't have any issues on my C6 now. I think the TV is plenty bright. Believe me, contrast makes up for whatever you think you'll enjoy in retina searing brightness from newer LED TVs. There is nothing like an OLED.

That is one hell of a computer monitor. Love it.

Is it me or do the sides of the web browser do not look straight?

pbakp 05-18-2016 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD (Post 44115738)
$3,500 where?

Denmark :)

Nitemare3219 05-18-2016 11:13 AM

Guys like I said the banding has been a complete non-issue. I have never once noticed it until I just took these photos for you. And again, the camera makes it look worse than it really is. A 5% still slide is not representative of real content at all. As I said I rarely watch cable TV, and in fact only have a digital converter box for basic cable hooked up to it. I do have some Bluray content I could take photos of I suppose. I remember Skyfall and Zero Dark Thirty particularly gave me issues in some night scenes on the EG9600. If I get time I'll check those out.

I never used 3D on my EG9600 and I have yet to use it on my C6. Can someone tell me how I could test it out? I have no 3D content that I know of but could download to my PC/load up a flash drive if there is something available.

I think the browser edge distortion is a combination of the camera lens and the curve of the TV. Looks perfectly fine in real life lol.

This TV has only reinforced the fact that I will never use an LCD TV in their current technology state ever again. Even if you gave me one of the new Samsung TV's for free, I would sell it for an OLED. There is just no comparison.

video_analysis 05-18-2016 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewTT (Post 44115826)
That is one hell of a computer monitor. Love it.

Is it me or do the sides of the web browser do not look straight?

Please don't quote the entire post with 4 huge images. It makes scrolling a drag especially for those on mobile devices.

x43x 05-18-2016 01:21 PM

VE is getting some 55B6's in for Memorial Day weekend. Just a heads up....

drewTT 05-18-2016 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by video_analysis (Post 44119154)
Please don't quote the entire post with 4 huge images. It makes scrolling a drag especially for those on mobile devices.

Are you the posting police?

video_analysis 05-18-2016 01:58 PM

Well, I did use "please" and most police officers don't, so...

Posters practicing posting etiquette goes a long way in making this place more readable.

slowcarboost 05-18-2016 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x43x (Post 44121762)
VE is getting some 55B6's in for Memorial Day weekend. Just a heads up....



Was it specifically only 55? No 65?

gypsymoth 05-18-2016 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wales (Post 44100522)
Has anyone thought about splitting the C6 and B6 into separate threads? This being the C6 thread (we have one owner!) if retired or moved. If so, the next few days or so before the first B6s ship would be the time to do it. Curved vs. flat and 3D vs. no 3D will likely create discussion unique to each and seem like big enough differences to justify it. Also, the B6 is likely to be far and away the biggest seller and may need a thread unto its own.

Just throwing it out there.

This forum is a mess - a jumble of threads with no organisation. Christ knows who's moderating

Separate threads per TV - how hard can it be?

PRO-630HD 05-18-2016 03:40 PM

Very technical question here. Does anyone know the curvature of the 65in. OLED displays being the 9600 or C series. LG uses 4600r and 5000r. Samsung uses 4200r or an ideal viewing distance of 4.2 meters being the centered position if the tv's made a circle. The curve on the LG is gentler. I know on the 55in oled it is 5000r, but LG uses the varying sizes based on display size.

krazyscotsman 05-18-2016 03:40 PM

Anyone have thoughts on prices for the 65" B? I'm looking at replacing my Kuro. It's starting to have some issues with needing unplugged to reset. I've already had it repaired sometime back. I doubt parts are even available now. I'm looking at the 65" B but I really need it to come in somewhere around $4K. Otherwise, I guess I'll look at a LCD. Life circumstances have capped my budget some. And TBH I have a 120" screen for serious moving watching.

Thanks.

venus933 05-18-2016 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krazyscotsman (Post 44125602)
Anyone have thoughts on prices for the 65" B? I'm looking at replacing my Kuro. It's starting to have some issues with needing unplugged to reset. I've already had it repaired sometime back. I doubt parts are even available now. I'm looking at the 65" B but I really need it to come in somewhere around $4K. Otherwise, I guess I'll look at a LCD. Life circumstances have capped my budget some. And TBH I have a 120" screen for serious moving watching.

Thanks.

Out of the gate most retailers will have it in the $5K ballpark. IMO it's a matter of when and not if the 65B6 can be had for $4K or less. I'm willing to wait till this fall to see if it it can be had for less than $4K.

Also, LG had some ambitious sales targets for this year and recently stated they still intend to meet those sales targets - I don't see those number being made up by last year's models alone so the B6 models may be priced to move. Sorry for not being more specific on the projected sales numbers but I'm too lazy to look them up. But these are my thoughts perhaps aided by what I want to happen.

More thoughts: Seeing that you'll be coming from a plasma I suspect you wouldn't be happy with a LCD if at all unless if it has a FALD scheme. The Sony 940D only comes in a 75" screen size and certainly will cost more than $4k for the foreseeable future. I doubt the Samsung 65KS9800 will have a street price much cheaper that the 65B6. That leaves the Vizio M and P series models which may be a consideration. Katzmaier at cnet is high on the P series in his review of it last week.

And lastly there's last year's model, the EF9500, which was on sale for $3K on eBay. I'm still not clear if the latest builds have less panel issues.

krazyscotsman 05-18-2016 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venus933 (Post 44125994)
Out of the gate most retailers will have it in the $5K ballpark. IMO it's a matter of when and not if the 65B6 can be had for $4K or less. I'm willing to wait till this fall to see if it it can be had for less than $4K.

Also, LG had some ambiguous sales targets for this year and recently stated they still intend to meet those sales targets - I don't see those number being made up by last year's models alone so the B6 models may be priced to move. Sorry for not being more specific on the projected sales numbers but I'm too lazy to look them up. But these are my thoughts perhaps aided by what I want to happen.

Thanks for your thoughts. I was thinking they will probably come in at $5K. I may hold off a little to see if I can find one for $4K. I'm tempted to get a cheaper LCD for the time being like the 65" Vizio P series $2K is hard number to beat for DV and HDR10. And wait a couple years to get OLED. By that time, I expect my Kuro to be fully dead. Then move the Vizio to the bedroom like I plan with the Kuro. I know the OLED is the only real successor to my Kuro. But I'm not sure I'm willing to drop $5K for a TV that's mostly for broadcast television and the occasional movie. My family and I always watch movies on the JVC 120". With that in the house, I just can't see dropping a lot of $$ on a set that's never going to be used as the primary movie source.

What do you think? If in similar situation, would you go with cheaper LCD and wait out OLED a couple of more years?

wse 05-18-2016 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krazyscotsman (Post 44126362)
Thanks for your thoughts. I was thinking they will probably come in at $5K. I may hold off a little to see if I can find one for $4K. I'm tempted to get a cheaper LCD for the time being like the 65" Vizio P series $2K is hard number to beat for DV and HDR10. And wait a couple years to get OLED. By that time, I expect my Kuro to be fully dead. Then move the Vizio to the bedroom like I plan with the Kuro. I know the OLED is the only real successor to my Kuro. But I'm not sure I'm willing to drop $5K for a TV that's mostly for broadcast television and the occasional movie. My family and I always watch movies on the JVC 120". With that in the house, I just can't see dropping a lot of $$ on a set that's never going to be used as the primary movie source.

What do you think? If in similar situation, would you go with cheaper LCD and wait out OLED a couple of more years?

Wait out for OLED a couple of more years

venus933 05-18-2016 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krazyscotsman (Post 44126362)
Thanks for your thoughts. I was thinking they will probably come in at $5K. I may hold off a little to see if I can find one for $4K. I'm tempted to get a cheaper LCD for the time being like the 65" Vizio P series $2K is hard number to beat for DV and HDR10. And wait a couple years to get OLED. By that time, I expect my Kuro to be fully dead. Then move the Vizio to the bedroom like I plan with the Kuro. I know the OLED is the only real successor to my Kuro. But I'm not sure I'm willing to drop $5K for a TV that's mostly for broadcast television and the occasional movie. My family and I always watch movies on the JVC 120". With that in the house, I just can't see dropping a lot of $$ on a set that's never going to be used as the primary movie source.

What do you think? If in similar situation, would you go with cheaper LCD and wait out OLED a couple of more years?

I agree the P series is very tempting but since you'll be using this display mainly for 720p/1080i broadcasts than it may not be the best choice since they don't seem to upscale those sources very well.

It should be noted the 65EF9500 was on sale for $3K on eBay last weekend. If you can get one without serious near black uniformity issues you may want to consider this scenario. The best scenario may be to wail til this Fall and see where the pricing of the B6 stands. But doing this shuts you out of a EF9500 scenario since it's probable they'll no longer be available at that time.

I think actual EF9500 owners might be more helpful with your decision. What I gleaned from those who have upgraded to the 2016 OLED models is that they are much improved over the EF9500 and for my uses worth waiting for the 65B6. But for mostly broadcasts the difference might not be worth it for you. Good luck!

x43x 05-18-2016 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slowcarboost (Post 44124866)
Was it specifically only 55? No 65?

From Blu-Ray.com:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn (Post 12228715)
I was a just notified that we're getting a small allocation of 55" B6s for Memorial Day week. Nice way to celebrate our most thankful and proud American holiday with this highly anticipated 2016 4K OLED display. Glad I'll have the extended holiday weekend to get plenty of viewing hours on what will likely be one of the best high-end TVs for this year.

This does not change the planned Nationwide launch of the last week in June, it's just a early launch special bonus for the few lucky LG's selected "early launch partner dealers".

-Robert


Cleveland Plasma 05-18-2016 06:19 PM

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That is because the 65C6P isn't out yet. It will drop in price.

That is a spot on statement unless they raise the price of the E6P.

video_analysis 05-18-2016 06:39 PM

That would kill demand in a flash and create a backlog. I don't see it happening.

TheronB 05-18-2016 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by video_analysis (Post 44119154)
Please don't quote the entire post with 4 huge images. It makes scrolling a drag especially for those on mobile devices.

No problems here on my phone, but it's a 7" screen. :)

video_analysis 05-18-2016 07:25 PM

Still, as a member of the posting police, I find it irksome having to scroll through the same images twice.

dkwong 05-18-2016 07:27 PM

As another mobile user (on Tapatalk), I don't mind the photos in quotes. I can scroll pretty fast.

Gillietalls 05-19-2016 04:00 AM

Yeah i scroll fast myself. I don't mind the re-post of pictures either....

ematsui 05-19-2016 05:55 AM

quoting big pictures is pointless, i agree with the posting police

RickD_99 05-19-2016 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitemare3219 (Post 44117498)

I never used 3D on my EG9600 and I have yet to use it on my C6. Can someone tell me how I could test it out? I have no 3D content that I know of but could download to my PC/load up a flash drive if there is something available

There's lots of 3D side by side format content available on YouTube. You will have to set your TV to 3D side by side format to view this material (your owners manual will explain how to engage this 3D format).

Here's an excellent 3D test on YouTube to test for crosstalk:


EVR1983 05-19-2016 09:37 AM

Just waiting on Best Buy to add it's availability, and the C6 55 will be mine. Can't pass it up for the deal Im getting on it.

Gillietalls 05-19-2016 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by EVR1983 (Post 44141674)
Just waiting on Best Buy to add it's availability, and the C6 55 will be mine. Can't pass it up for the deal Im getting on it.

Please post impressions and actual pics of content when you get it. Forget slides...

PRO-630HD 05-19-2016 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EVR1983 (Post 44141674)
Just waiting on Best Buy to add it's availability, and the C6 55 will be mine. Can't pass it up for the deal Im getting on it.

What kind of deal are you getting on it?

wales 05-19-2016 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krazyscotsman (Post 44126362)
Thanks for your thoughts. I was thinking they will probably come in at $5K. I may hold off a little to see if I can find one for $4K. I'm tempted to get a cheaper LCD for the time being like the 65" Vizio P series $2K is hard number to beat for DV and HDR10. And wait a couple years to get OLED. By that time, I expect my Kuro to be fully dead. Then move the Vizio to the bedroom like I plan with the Kuro. I know the OLED is the only real successor to my Kuro. But I'm not sure I'm willing to drop $5K for a TV that's mostly for broadcast television and the occasional movie. My family and I always watch movies on the JVC 120". With that in the house, I just can't see dropping a lot of $$ on a set that's never going to be used as the primary movie source.

What do you think? If in similar situation, would you go with cheaper LCD and wait out OLED a couple of more years?

Tough call. I don't like the gray metal on the P so I was leaning toward a $1500 65" M as the "cheap" option if prices on the 65" B6 are not headed under $4000 by early Fall. I think they will be $5000 msrp and $4500 online in a few weeks.

If my KURO was dying I would get the OLED. Mine still looks great, so the invest,met is tougher to justify. Keep in mind that the 2015s are not quite as future proof as the new B6, and if this set becomes a movie viewer you may wish you had the latest formats on it. More than one buyer ended up getting rid of the projector or not using it much after seeing movies on the 2016s.

EVR1983 05-19-2016 02:30 PM

Just the employee discount, but it's pretty nice on this set.

PRO-630HD 05-20-2016 06:57 PM

http://www.lg.com/us/products/wtb?modelId=MD05231078

According to LG Sherman's has the 65c6p in stock.

venus933 05-20-2016 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRO-630HD (Post 44178962)
http://www.lg.com/us/products/wtb?modelId=MD05231078

According to LG Sherman's has the 65c6p in stock.

This is new to me anyway but there are more detail photos on Amazon's site. A sign the 65" variant will be in stock soon (Amazon)?

Like dkwong indicated earlier the design is very similar to last year's models and the Gray back panel and black base will probably appeal to more folks.

vaktmestern 05-21-2016 05:09 AM

Worst Banding i ever seen on a Oled :eek: Seem its a miss on my part on the cheaper C and B now. Funny people belived Lg was using the same panels :p as the E6 ...... :kiss:

The yellow white staine didnt help aswell...

ray0414 05-21-2016 07:04 AM

Value electronics said they are
Getting a small allocatement of 65" B6s on June 6th, earlier than expected.

L0giX 05-21-2016 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vaktmestern (Post 44184458)
Worst Banding i ever seen on a Oled :eek: Seem its a miss on my part on the cheaper C and B now. Funny people belived Lg was using the same panels :p as the E6 ...... :kiss:

The yellow white staine didnt help aswell...

http://i.imgur.com/Dx4q87O.png

Cleveland Plasma 05-21-2016 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 44185826)
Getting a small allocatement of 65" B6s on June 6th, earlier than expected.

Everyone will get them sooner or later.......we will see how it all plays out. I know I would not hold my breath as delivery dates regularly get pushed.

pbakp 05-22-2016 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vaktmestern (Post 44184458)
Worst Banding i ever seen on a Oled :eek: Seem its a miss on my part on the cheaper C and B now. Funny people belived Lg was using the same panels :p as the E6 ...... :kiss:

The yellow white staine didnt help aswell...

Well not what people believed, but what's been confirmed by LG themselves - that it is the same panel.

vaktmestern 05-23-2016 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by pbakp (Post 44202130)
Well not what people believed, but what's been confirmed by LG themselves - that it is the same panel.

Like that matters :rolleyes: Its How you drive the panel look at Panasonic Oled with Lg screens vs 9500/950 none of the Lg Issues on the Panasonic one...

ChaosCloud 05-23-2016 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vaktmestern (Post 44184458)
Worst Banding i ever seen on a Oled :eek: Seem its a miss on my part on the cheaper C and B now. Funny people belived Lg was using the same panels :p as the E6 ...... :kiss:

The yellow white staine didnt help aswell...

Don't judge too harshly based on those photos. If the contrast is exaggerated as much as the saturation is, then the banding would be quite subtle in reality.

pbakp 05-23-2016 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vaktmestern (Post 44222434)
Like that matters :rolleyes: Its How you drive the panel look at Panasonic Oled with Lg screens vs 9500/950 none of the Lg Issues on the Panasonic one...

Obviously that's not the same case. To be comparable, you need same specs.. So what ever Panasonic puts in the TV, besides the panel, might influence overal experience..

gypsymoth 05-23-2016 02:19 PM

So, my 55inch C6 arrived today and I ha

vaktmestern 05-23-2016 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gypsymoth (Post 44237898)
So, my 55inch C6 arrived today and I ha

W
Congrats now check for Banding ....:cool:

Fete26 05-23-2016 09:23 PM

I was lucky enough to snag one of the early allotments of the B65 from Value Electronics. I am getting the quality control and calibration through them, also. Hoping to have it mid June.

dg33 05-24-2016 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sytech (Post 44115810)
Except for the banding it looks pretty good. Do they show up in any content like panning across a soccer or football field?

When I got my E6 my slides also had banding. I ran the 1 hour manual compensation cycle and the banding was greatly eliminated. A little banding on the slides now, but the banding I initially saw on difficult near black content is 99 -100% eliminated.

dg33 05-24-2016 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venus933 (Post 44127450)
I agree the P series is very tempting but since you'll be using this display mainly for 720p/1080i broadcasts than it may not be the best choice since they don't seem to upscale those sources very well.

It should be noted the 65EF9500 was on sale for $3K on eBay last weekend. If you can get one without serious near black uniformity issues you may want to consider this scenario. The best scenario may be to wail til this Fall and see where the pricing of the B6 stands. But doing this shuts you out of a EF9500 scenario since it's probable they'll no longer be available at that time.

I think actual EF9500 owners might be more helpful with your decision. What I gleaned from those who have upgraded to the 2016 OLED models is that they are much improved over the EF9500 and for my uses worth waiting for the 65B6. But for mostly broadcasts the difference might not be worth it for you. Good luck!

Having exchanged a 9500 for an E6 I can tell you that I would never go back to a 9500. For the differences already stated, the E6 is a a wonderful improvement over the 9500. That is assuming the PQ on the B and C panels will be similar to the E series.

Nitemare3219 05-24-2016 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vaktmestern (Post 44184458)
Worst Banding i ever seen on a Oled :eek: Seem its a miss on my part on the cheaper C and B now. Funny people belived Lg was using the same panels :p as the E6 ...... :kiss:

The yellow white staine didnt help aswell...

You're clueless dude. You obviously didn't bother to read anything I posted.

I ran the panel noise clearance for the first time last night. I'll post up new pictures today hopefully and get a more accurate depiction.

vaktmestern 05-24-2016 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitemare3219 (Post 44258426)
You're clueless dude. You obviously didn't bother to read anything I posted.

I ran the panel noise clearance for the first time last night. I'll post up new pictures today hopefully and get a more accurate depiction.

That it does auto If you turn off the tv after a few hours :cool: so you prob run multiple that you didnt Even know of. Bring on pics ...

the_jaguar 05-24-2016 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by vaktmestern (Post 44259970)
That it does auto If you turn off the tv after a few hours :cool: so you prob run multiple that you didnt Even know of. Bring on pics ...

The auto cycle is a 10 minute cycle, whereas the manual one is 1 hour long. There is definitely a difference between the 2 cycles. Also, if you go into service mode, you can actually see the counts for both the auto & manual cycles.

It has been recommended not to perform too many manual cycles (on AV forum) as it impacts the longevity of the panel.

L0giX 05-24-2016 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_jaguar (Post 44261026)
The auto cycle is a 10 minute cycle, whereas the manual one is 1 hour long. There is definitely a difference between the 2 cycles. Also, if you go into service mode, you can actually see the counts for both the auto & manual cycles.

It has been recommended not to perform too many manual cycles (on AV forum) as it impacts the longevity of the panel.

It has been said but with absolutely zero proof..

babator 05-24-2016 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gypsymoth (Post 44237898)
So, my 55inch C6 arrived today and I ha

Stunned into speechlessness by the picture quality, I hope?

hidefpaul 05-24-2016 01:21 PM

LG has officially released all model prices for the US.
Prices are still crazy high, for me at least!!! I was hoping that the MSRP of the 65B6 would be somewhere in the $4,500.00 mark.:(
I guess I will wait for some discounts.

Models and MSRP Pricing

OLEDB6P (Flat-panel OLED TV, 4K Smart TV with HDR)
· 55″ OLED55B6P: $4000
· 65″ OLED65B6P: $6000
OLEDC6P (Curved-panel OLED TV, 4K Smart TV with HDR)
· 55″ OLED55C6P: $4000
· 65″ OLED65C6P: $6000
OLEDE6P (Flat-panel OLED TV, 4K Smart TV with HDR and “Picture on Glass” design)
· 55″ OLED55E6P: $5000
· 65″ OLED65E6P: $7000
OLEDG6P (Flat-panel LG Signature OLED TV, 4K Smart TV with HDR, “Picture on Glass” design and sound bar stand)
· 65″ OLED65G6P: $8000
· 77″ OLED77G6P: pricing info. coming soon


Paul

the_jaguar 05-24-2016 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L0giX (Post 44261370)
It has been said but with absolutely zero proof..

I wouldn't say zero proof - there are enough owners who have posted in the various threads regarding the difference in cycle times and the fact that when you turn on the TV during a manual 1 hour comp (after 20 or 30 minutes), the TV pops up a message indicating that the process was interrupted and it will run again later. Also, owners have reported seeing a big difference in banding after running a manual cycle. Unfortunately, I have not been able to test this myself because I am traveling, but I will be testing this as soon as I back home.

video_analysis 05-24-2016 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_jaguar (Post 44264114)
I wouldn't say zero proof - there are enough owners who have posted in the various threads regarding the difference in cycle times and the fact that when you turn on the TV during a manual 1 hour comp (after 20 or 30 minutes), the TV pops up a message indicating that the process was interrupted and it will run again later

That indicates nothing about decreased longevity. Even the automatic cycles will have to restart (on the next shutdown) after being interrupted.
Quote:

Also, owners have reported seeing a big difference in banding after running a manual cycle. Unfortunately, I have not been able to test this myself because I am traveling, but I will be testing this as soon as I back home.
Not all owners...I could scarcely detect a difference after running it twice in the first ~160 hours of usage.

the_jaguar 05-24-2016 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by video_analysis (Post 44264234)
That indicates nothing about decreased longevity. Even the automatic cycles will have to restart (on the next shutdown) after being interrupted.

Like I mentioned in my original post, this was reported by a respected member on the other forum. I am not vouching for the accuracy of the statement - it's up to to of us to do what we see fit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by video_analysis (Post 44264234)
Not all owners...I could scarcely detect a difference after running it twice in the first ~160 hours of usage.

Again, I didn't claim that all owners saw improvement. I said "owners have seen improvement", and I did indicate that I haven't tested this personally, but plan on doing so soon.

wales 05-24-2016 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hidefpaul (Post 44263442)
LG has officially released all model prices for the US.
Prices are still crazy high, for me at least!!! I was hoping that the MSRP of the 65B6 would be somewhere in the $4,500.00 mark.:(
I guess I will wait for some discounts.

Models and MSRP Pricing

OLEDB6P (Flat-panel OLED TV, 4K Smart TV with HDR)
· 55″ OLED55B6P: $4000
· 65″ OLED65B6P: $6000
OLEDC6P (Curved-panel OLED TV, 4K Smart TV with HDR)
· 55″ OLED55C6P: $4000
· 65″ OLED65C6P: $6000
OLEDE6P (Flat-panel OLED TV, 4K Smart TV with HDR and “Picture on Glass” design)
· 55″ OLED55E6P: $5000
· 65″ OLED65E6P: $7000
OLEDG6P (Flat-panel LG Signature OLED TV, 4K Smart TV with HDR, “Picture on Glass” design and sound bar stand)
· 65″ OLED65G6P: $8000
· 77″ OLED77G6P: pricing info. coming soon


Paul

I wouldn't sweat these pre-release prices at all. The E still says $7000 but due to a "sale" that began at launch the full price for an E has been $6000 from the get go, $5500 and below with some effort. I would expect the same approach on the B at some point in June, with sets available under $5000 right away. $4500 or just above seems about right.

If they put the E at $7000 with no sale and there was therefore room for the B at $6000 that would be a different matter, but that seems unlikely if they want to sell a lot of these.

dg33 05-24-2016 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by video_analysis (Post 44264234)
That indicates nothing about decreased longevity. Even the automatic cycles will have to restart (on the next shutdown) after being interrupted.
Not all owners...I could scarcely detect a difference after running it twice in the first ~160 hours of usage.

Did you have a banding issue when you ran the compensation cycle the first time?

video_analysis 05-24-2016 02:38 PM

Yes, though slight (like most of them seem to have) and nothing like its predecessor.

Trojanlaw 05-24-2016 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ray0414 (Post 43965050)
Did you notice any difference in colors or vibrancy compared to the ef95?

I have both and can tell you that the colors are a bit more vibrant on the E6 although the difference is not substantial. It is noticeable. The 3D on the E6 also looks like it has a bit more depth. The E6 handles shadow detail better from a variety of sources.

The biggest difference is in the handling of HDR. The difference between the two for any HDR title is significant. EF9500 can handle it, but the E6 totally shines. Of course, only the E6 can handle Dolby Vision which is also phenomenal.

If budget is an issue, I would get the C6 because you do not want to lose the 3D. There are reports that the G6/E6 may be a bit brighter than the C6, however, that has yet to be confirmed.


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