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If only we could have enabled Dolby Digital Plus from the Service Menu
I don't even know if my "requests" to enable DD+ via a firmware update get through to the right folks when I call LG; one can only hope...
My 2015 EG960v-zd has dd+ setting in the sound options. Firmware 04.25.55
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I finally got so sick of the ASBL kicking in that i went ahead and did this on my EG9100. Now, no more extended scenes that get dimmer (especially dark ones). I used my Harmony 650 remote. Very simple to do. A big thanks to the OP for this fix!!

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Personally, the ASBL has never bothered me, it only gets on a really static image (nothing moving) on my B6.

On the other hand, the ABL really disturbs me on some video games like "Journey", "Mirror's Edge", and other games very bright.
There is really no way to disable this horrible defect?

I read that there are some that increase the OLED to 100 and drop the contrast to 55, but for me it is as if one had the ABL with a dull image all the time.
That does not make any sense.
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I read that there are some that increase the OLED to 100 and drop the contrast to 55, but for me it is as if one had the ABL with a dull image all the time.
That does not make any sense.
The image is not dull at all with these settings, unless you are used to driving your panel too bright. With OLED 100/Contrast 55 you hit 130nits brightness; the calibration standard is 120nits, so you can see that it is in fact fully bright enough.

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For me it is very dull as in the movies, and I can not stand this image.
I suppose it should be enough for some, but I do not buy a TV of this quality to have such a poor image.
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For me it is very dull as in the movies, and I can not stand this image.
I suppose it should be enough for some, but I do not buy a TV of this quality to have such a poor image.
Again, it's not a poor image at all, it is an image calibrated to industry standards. You are welcome to do whatever you want with your screen, but I prefer to stick to standards.

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When I get my set next week I'll test out the contrast/brightness settings set to the same nits level. Until then, do any of you guys with a meter mind setting up the 2 ISF picture modes with all the same settings but one of them with OLED light at 100 and lower contrast and then switch back and forth to confirm the picture does in fact look exactly the same?
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For me it is very dull as in the movies, and I can not stand this image.
I suppose it should be enough for some, but I do not buy a TV of this quality to have such a poor image.
Are you sure you have Energy Saver turned off and are not using APS mode?
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For me it is very dull as in the movies, and I can not stand this image.
I suppose it should be enough for some, but I do not buy a TV of this quality to have such a poor image.
yeah ABL is the reason i sold my OLED and bought a 4k LED TV, since i play alot of games, ABL was becoming way too distracting/annoying

although i still miss my OLED for Blu rays, it was clearly a step up in image quality. In the end i would rather live with a worse black levels or contrast ratios than deal with ABL
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On the other hand, the ABL really disturbs me on some video games like "Journey", "Mirror's Edge", and other games very bright.
There is really no way to disable this horrible defect?
Sell it and buy a 2017 model. Based on measurements taken in the 2017 OLED thread, the new models don't enable ABL for SDR content when you have OLED light set to industry standard 100-120 nit levels. You will still get ABL in HDR and if you crank your SDR OLED light above about 150nits.
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ABL seems to kick in more with full screen images such as hockey games. I have yet to see it kick in with movies that have letterbox bars.
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That's because your 65" image size goes from approximately 1800 sq. inches to 1360 on letterboxed content. Since you're only using 75% of the panel, the ABL won't kick in until you go over 33% APL instead of the usual 25%. Even then, ABL can be noticeable if you have a frame of reference. Put up some 100% white sub-titles and watch as their brightness changes up/down depending on what's happening in the rest of the frame.
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Are you sure you have Energy Saver turned off and are not using APS mode?
The first thing I do when I have a new TV is to cut all those ****. ^^

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Sell it and buy a 2017 model. Based on measurements taken in the 2017 OLED thread, the new models don't enable ABL for SDR content when you have OLED light set to industry standard 100-120 nit levels. You will still get ABL in HDR and if you crank your SDR OLED light above about 150nits.
The 2017 OLEDs will no longer have this ABL problem?
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The first thing I do when I have a new TV is to cut all those ****. ^^


The 2017 OLEDs will no longer have this ABL problem?
They still will have this issue, but LG has a higher limit before it kicks in on the 2017 models.

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Anyone try this with an iPhone and IR blaster yet? There's a few sub-$5 options on ebay I'll try out within a few weeks if the issue is apparent when PC gaming on my C6.
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The 2017 OLEDs will no longer have this ABL problem?
Not unless you raise OLED light setting to levels above those recommended for comfortable viewing. On the 2016 and older models, there was no combination of settings that would disable ABL. Even if you set OLED light to some ridiculously low level like 10, it would still dim even further when there was too much bright content on the screen. It was a broken ABL circuit design that only cared about video content and not the actual power/light output of the panel.
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Not unless you raise OLED light setting to levels above those recommended for comfortable viewing. On the 2016 and older models, there was no combination of settings that would disable ABL. Even if you set OLED light to some ridiculously low level like 10, it would still dim even further when there was too much bright content on the screen. It was a broken ABL circuit design that only cared about video content and not the actual power/light output of the panel.
If I set my OLED light to 100 and put up a 100% white slide on my E6, I do not see it dim. I do believe Chad said an OLED light of 100, ABL is very minimal. I do believe that's why LG updated their FW to set default OLED light for bright room to 100 and dark room to 85. Probably to lessen the effect.
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I get my TV Thursday and will experiment, but for the time being can anyone else set up both ISF picture modes with 100 OLED light and low controst on one, and higher contrast and low OLED light on the other? Probably going to need a meter to make sure the nits are the same. I still can't imagine the picture would look exactly the same with the contrast set that low.
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yeah ABL is the reason i sold my OLED and bought a 4k LED TV, since i play alot of games, ABL was becoming way too distracting/annoying

although i still miss my OLED for Blu rays, it was clearly a step up in image quality. In the end i would rather live with a worse black levels or contrast ratios than deal with ABL
I understand you and I hesitate to do the same.
But I thought, and if I have to choose between the defect ABL or clouding, I still choose the ABL.
So I'll get used to this defect while waiting for better OLEDs in 2, 3 years ...
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If I set my OLED light to 100 and put up a 100% white slide on my E6, I do not see it dim. I do believe Chad said an OLED light of 100, ABL is very minimal. I do believe that's why LG updated their FW to set default OLED light for bright room to 100 and dark room to 85. Probably to lessen the effect.
That's not a realistic solution. OLED light at 100 will blind you once the the APL goes down. On a smaller area of white you will now be hit with 600-700 nits of brightness. There is no way to maintain the 150nits you had on the full screen white. Lowering contrast to compensate is no longer a recommended solution even by Chad. It causes reduced gradation, artifacts, and banding - especially near black.
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That's not a realistic solution. OLED light at 100 will blind you once the the APL goes down. On a smaller area of white you will now be hit with 600-700 nits of brightness. There is no way to maintain the 150nits you had on the full screen white. Lowering contrast to compensate is no longer a recommended solution even by Chad. It causes reduced gradation, artifacts, and banding - especially near black.
I agree. Watching tv at night or a movie at night, 100 OLED is way too bright. However, for live sports during the day, 100 is not overwhelming at all.
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Reposting some measurements I did on the 55EG910V back in the days:
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Final Calibration results: (see attachment)

I also did some luminance measurements and here is what's up:
OLED LIGHT set to 100:
800x600 white window: 357 cd/m2
Fullscreen white window: 103 cd/m2

OLED LIGHT set to 20:
800x600 white window: 100 cd/m2
Fullscreen white window: 30 cd/m2

Thanks LG/ABL
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Reposting some measurements I did on the 55EG910V back in the days:
Will be interesting if the new Sony OLED have the same ABL issues. My guess is that they will. The curse of emissive panels.
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Sell it and buy a 2017 model. Based on measurements taken in the 2017 OLED thread, the new models don't enable ABL for SDR content when you have OLED light set to industry standard 100-120 nit levels. You will still get ABL in HDR and if you crank your SDR OLED light above about 150nits.
If this is true (see the You tube video below), the 2017 models will have no ABL under 100nits in SDR content (maybe up to 150nits).
Seems like a simple code change and this could be the same on the 2016 models ?
I think this needs to be expanded to all the 2016 OLED forums and everyone can sign the petition.
Boy would I have liked to talked to the LG guy about this.
The current ABL method is ridiculous (see my post 73 in this forum) !
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Does ABL have anything to do with the 100 IRE Target Luminance of 130? What if you raised Target Luminance to 200? Would that cause ABL not to kick in until 200 nits? It goes up to 500 for some reason. It's also like that in the SM. Just curious as to why the tv has an adjustable Target Luminance. Also in System 1 in SM there is something labelled as Dimming, which is turned on by default. It may have to do with FALD since all the tv's share the same FW.

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I figured I might as post this stuff in here as this is about ABL and is thread relevant.


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Can you post your measurements to show that OLED Light is not affecting ABL? We need to see what is happening with a calibrated 120nit Peak Output. As Harkekin data show, the ABL is much improved and is affecting ABL.
Like I said, what harlekin is showing is how LOWER CONTRAST is affecting ABL, not OLED Light. He just happens to be using OLED light to counterbalance the reduced luminance from the lower Contrast value.
This is taking advantage of how a digital display processes a signal via formula manipulation. In this case the value of Contrast, that is the number/position on the Contrast slider, is
These are digital controls, and they all work together, and are not exclusively constricted to one result as analog controls are.

These combinations don't work on my display for the reasons mentioned in my last post (pattern alignment, ultra fine granularity of adjustment steps which are too small to adjust anything) but here are some quick measurements...

OLED: 11
Contrast: 94
(Window% / Y / Difference-from-5% Y)
5 / 71
50 / 46 / -35%
90 / 27 / -62%
100 / 25 / -65%

OLED: 21
Contrast: 94
(Window% / Y / Difference-from-5% Y)
5 / 166
50 / 106 / -36%
90 / 64 / -61%
100 / 58 / -65%

OLED: 100
Contrast: 94
(Window% / Y / Difference-from-5% Y)
5 / 331
50 / 215 / -35%
90 / 130 / -61%
100 / 119 / -64%


As you can see from this small sample, OLED light is not interacting with ABL at all, as the difference remains the same for all configurations.
And for comparison, here is one matching OLED light from one of the above, and matching a 5% window measurement from another:

OLED: 21
Contrast: 75
(Window% / Y / Difference-from-5% Y)
5 / 71
50 / 60 / -15%
90 / 36 / -49%
100 / 32 / -55%


My conclusion:
OLED Light does nothing for ABL, and is the safest control to adjust on the display. It does not appear to effect ANYTHING else, either positively or negatively.
In retrospect, it looks like I've mentioned quite a few times that lowering contrast and raising OLED light can be exploited to improve panel behavior (lowered contrast changes 20-point control alignment, and is required _IF_ following LG's "official" HDR calibration procedures to meet luminance targets).
For my E6, like I mentioned in my previous post, I cannot calibrate with the display's controls due to either lifted blacks, clipping, or 20-point control alignment and granularity per adjustment step.
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Extra info on ABL dimming.
Note: Only tested peak (100% white).
With this everyone should be able to understand how contrast works on this display. If features like ABL are going to continue to be an issue, I think we should be implementing a chart for graphing this behavior, which shouldn't be hard at all (graph measurements in 5% picture size increments for 100% white, plot each, draw curve, done).

Default settings:
OLED Light = 80
Contrast = 85
Brightness = 50
APL-ABL relation:
5-30% = ~260 nits (no ABL)
35% = ~240 nits (~10% dim)
50% = ~170 nits (~35% dim)
75% = ~125 nits (~55% dim)
90% = ~105 nits (~60% dim)
100% = ~95 nits (~65% dim )

Lowering OLED light to 25 (Contrast/Brightness at default)
APL-ABL relation:
5-30% = ~110 nits (no ABL)
35% = ~95 nits (~10% dim)
50% = ~70 nits (~35% dim)
75% = ~ 50 nits (~55% dim)
90% = ~40 nits (~60% dim)
100% = ~38 nits (~65% dim )

So while peak may be brighter, the over all image may infact be far dimmer than you like if your contrast is left at a high number (possible explanation as to why Chad, and others, have been targeting 170 nits. You can see how quickly the ABL kicks in and how easily it dims

For comparison
OLED Light = 100
Contrast = 50
Brightness = 50
5-50% = ~120 nits (no ABL. I only measured 10 and 50%)
90% = ~115 nits (5% dim )
100% = ~103 nits (28% dim)

This is a MASSIVE improvement. Average picture practically maintains 120 nits unless a full white screen comes into play (like ice/snow), and the ~20 nits lost from dimming is not noticable at all. Overall it looks brighter than calibrating for 170 nits.

IMPORTANT:
Lowering contrast too much will create/increase banding.
You need to find a balance of lowered contrast to counter ABL and higher contrast to prevent banding for YOUR panel.
Mine does not like 100/50/50.
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And just to finish the topic of Contrast off, look in the spoiler for additional control behavior (grayscale shifting).
Spoiler!
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Is there a definitive list anywhere for which 'One For All' remotes can be used to access the service menu?
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Never mind. I just bought the cheapest one I could find at Argos and it worked fine.

One thing to note now, at least in my B6, TPC is set to either 'On' or 'Off' not 1 or 0 as in the OP.
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I finally got so sick of the ASBL kicking in that i went ahead and did this on my EG9100. Now, no more extended scenes that get dimmer (especially dark ones). I used my Harmony 650 remote. Very simple to do. A big thanks to the OP for this fix!!
I've got the Harmony One remote and would like to try this.

Could you give some directions please.
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I've got the Harmony One remote and would like to try this.

Could you give some directions please.
Follow instructions found here:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ole...l#post50810945

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