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True.

But about this videophile business.

I encourage folks to try an experiment with their videophile friends.

Ask them to honestly tell you how many times they or their family have watched a movie with the lights on or during the day. You'll be surprised to see them admit that it's actually a much higher number than some of us would probably expect. And it almost certainly won't be zero.

Then ask them how often they see any content at all with the lights on or during the day, and you'll likely see that the majority of what they or their family sees (news, kids' shows, movies, games, etc.) is in ambient-bright situations.

Videophiledom (<---I need a term) doesn't break the need for very good daytime viewing.
My wife and I are good about waiting for night time to watch any movie or even shows with dark content (Game of Thrones example). As someone who really likes movies, I also find it hard to be immersed into the movie during daytime regardless of display technology. Which leads to me a really interesting questions, how many videophiles are not really movie buffs?

Regular TV and such no one is really fussed about.
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To really measure "lit-room" performance you need to look at a room lit by the sun/windows. This is where all displays will have a difficult time without blinds. Just try using your phone/tablet outdoors. Artificial lighting does not compete.
Without sounding flip, anyone that watches in a bright, sunlit room with no shades, doesn't really care about video quality. Most LCDs don't look great in such an environment. I think most people have some kind of light control. If not, I'd like to see what their furniture looks like after 1 or 2 years. I mean these are really small subset of total viewers.

There are LCDs designed specifically for outdoor use in bright sun. Perhaps that's what these people need.
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True.

But about this videophile business.

I encourage folks to try an experiment with their videophile friends.

Ask them to honestly tell you how many times they or their family have watched a movie with the lights on or during the day. You'll be surprised to see them admit that it's actually a much higher number than some of us would probably expect. And it almost certainly won't be zero.

Then ask them how often they see any content at all with the lights on or during the day, and you'll likely see that the majority of what they or their family sees (news, kids' shows, movies, games, etc.) is in ambient-bright situations.

Videophiledom (<---I need a term) doesn't break the need for very good daytime viewing.
Well I think the premise I operate under is that videophiles (many/most AVSr's) watch their movies with the lights dimmed or out. There's simply no other way to watch dark movies or movies with considerable shadow detail.

Sure, if you you're watching sports, news, cartoons and other kid shows, many will watch with the lights on. However for that type of content, the best PQ is not only unnecessary, it will go largely unnoticed.

The point here is that 'serious viewing' and 'casual viewing' are not only two different things, but if the bulk of viewing falls in the latter category, I'd tell those people not to buy the best display, since its virtues will be largely wasted. Get a mid-range LCD and call it a day.

I don't think most folks here fall in that latter category.
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Their emphasis seems to be on weatherproof, not on brightness. Their Signature line doesn't have any brightness spec. Their Pro line is a whopping 700 or 800nits. They're out of control!!!
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Brain doesn't seem to be hard wired for daytime viewing. Not even in the darker basement area.
1 movie in 100 will be watched during the day. The other 99 - at night, and in a darkened room.
Wife, different story. Will stay in bed, in a day lit room, and watch TV until noon some days.
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This might sound like a strange question but at the shootout do they show a pure grey screen, pure blue etc. to show brightness and other uniformity issues?
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is there a consensus on the best tv in shootout for daytime living room watching? yes windows and sunlight

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Robert Zohn is pretty excited about the new Sony ZD series, along with the new methods for calibrating hdr10, that he's having another shootout after CEDIA. He says this shootout is now a "must" do. So all tvs will be calibrated for hdr this time around.
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Robert Zohn is pretty excited about the new Sony ZD series, along with the new methods for calibrating hdr10, that he's having another shootout after CEDIA. He says this shootout is now a "must" do. So all tvs will be calibrated for hdr this time around.
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You're well within your return period I'm assuming. You having second thoughts and thinking about taking back the KS for the new Sony?

I considered it, but with news of the new sonys being high priced, its way outta my budget. I'll likely stay put as the ks9800 is still a nice upgrade over my js9500 in almost every way.
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Question for you guys.


With the next shootout, should the Z9D be the 75" model to match the 940d, or should they use 65" this time with both ks9800 and Z9D to match the oled?


My opinion is they should be all 65s if possible so that there's equal area of light coverage and no difference in area needed to be covered. The 940d is what it is and has no choice.
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I considered it, but with news of the new sonys being high priced, its way outta my budget. I'll likely stay put as the ks9800 is still a nice upgrade over my js9500 in almost every way.
Ray, I always knew you'd go the LCD route.

I think it was the right move for you.
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Question for you guys.


With the next shootout, should the Z9D be the 75" model to match the 940d, or should they use 65" this time with both ks9800 and Z9D to match the oled?


My opinion is they should be all 65s if possible so that there's equal area of light coverage and no difference in area needed to be covered. The 940d is what it is and has no choice.
Would they even use the X940D now that the Z9D is out? It's now been downgraded to benchwarmer status if the shootout is flagship models only.
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Ray, I always knew you'd go the LCD route.

I think it was the right move for you.

I seriously considered an oled. Maybe next time


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Would they even use the X940D now that the Z9D is out? It's now been downgraded to benchwarmer status if the shootout is flagship models only.

Yes, the 940d will be there because this isn't the official June shootout. While Robert and others will take it seriously, its more of a "for fun" shootout. As pointed out, the 940d, along with the other tvs, weren't calibrated for hdr and deserve the chance to show their true potential with the new format.
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Question for you guys.


With the next shootout, should the Z9D be the 75" model to match the 940d, or should they use 65" this time with both ks9800 and Z9D to match the oled?


My opinion is they should be all 65s if possible so that there's equal area of light coverage and no difference in area needed to be covered. The 940d is what it is and has no choice.
I agree with you, 65 inch models across the board. It would be nice though if Vizio was represented by the P65 especially if it gets the HDR10 update and the R series doesn't. Maybe Robert Zohn will be able to sell the P series by the time the shootout takes place. How long is Best Buy's exclusivity?
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whoops, totally overlooked it!!!



I overlooked Roberts post today. He wants to have a double shootout, 1 side with 65s, the other side with all of the 75/77/78s.


That's right, the 77" G6 is hoping to be included!!
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Robert must be a masochist. Hopefully, he can ignore the second round of armchair critics.
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Question for you guys.


With the next shootout, should the Z9D be the 75" model to match the 940d, or should they use 65" this time with both ks9800 and Z9D to match the oled?


My opinion is they should be all 65s if possible so that there's equal area of light coverage and no difference in area needed to be covered. The 940d is what it is and has no choice.
Agree Ray. All 65"s. It's a popular size and I'm sure 65" sales are fare greater than 75.
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Robert must be a masochist. Hopefully, he can ignore the second round of armchair critics.


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Agree Ray. All 65"s. It's a popular size and I'm sure 65" sales are fare greater than 75.
All 65"s is a much fairer comparison. Throws one off trying decide between various brands, intermixed with various sizes!
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Agree Ray. All 65"s. It's a popular size and I'm sure 65" sales are fare greater than 75.
Any fool can make a great looking small screen. The larger you go the more it shows off imperfections. I think they need a 65" comparison and then a 75"/77" comparison.
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I considered it, but with news of the new sonys being high priced, its way outta my budget. I'll likely stay put as the ks9800 is still a nice upgrade over my js9500 in almost every way.
I'm wavering. I was all set to pick up the C6 in a few months but now may get the Sony. I can't wait for this next shootout...

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And some of them are those with agendas or who just always 'know better' than anyone else.
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Question for you guys.


With the next shootout, should the Z9D be the 75" model to match the 940d, or should they use 65" this time with both ks9800 and Z9D to match the oled?


My opinion is they should be all 65s if possible so that there's equal area of light coverage and no difference in area needed to be covered. The 940d is what it is and has no choice.
Matt McRae has indicated if everything goes well the much anticipated HDR10 update will be released next week. He said it would be for both the M and P series models, no mention of the R series.

It's just going to stink to high heaven if Robert Zohn keeps the R series if it doesn't have the HDR10 update. If Robert Zohn is not selling the P series (due to BB exclusivity still being in effect or whatever) by the shootout then just leave Vizio out of the shootout completely.

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This ones are better http://www.dynascanusa.com/


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Any specs to how many hours one can expect to get from these? I assume, not as long as home units.

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Any specs to how many hours one can expect to get from these? I assume, not as long as home units.
The specs are on the site ,50,000 hours.
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Again, that is just straight-up exactly what happened. The rest is how you interpreted it, how you feel about it. I'm just conveying what I observed.
I just stumbled upon this thread & was reading thru it. I have to say as a Senior AVS writer (that one of the Senior people here on the website) vouched for your character, your comments have been embarrassing.

I wouldn't expect someone that is a senior writer handling themselves this way. It is very unprofessional.

You may not agree with which TV came out on top which I could care less by the way. But this whole thing about I saw this & he said this is so grammar school.

As a professional writer I really can't believe this was allowed to go on in a forum. I take it that you're representing this forum since you are a professional writer for them.

Sorry to go off topic but I usually don't respond to this unprofessional type of attacks on an individual. I'm not sure why they would let you get away with it since you are representing them.

I wasn't at the shootout but would have loved to have been there to see the TVs side by side. There will always be differences in opinions or remarks if someones favorite TV didn't win but it is a chance to see them all side by side.

There will always be conspiracy theories that one TV will be made to look bad so it doesn't win if someone likes that TV or has something to do with the company that makes that TV.

Do your own shootout if you think a TV was made to look bad to give it an unfair advantage. It's as simple as that.

But as a senior writer for this forum again I am disgusted that you try to attack a person's character that for some reason is not allowed to post on this forum is something I can't fathom or condone.

I don't know what your beef is with Robert but it definitely shouldn't be brought up on this forum if you are representing this forum as a senior writer. It would be different if you didn't have anything to do with this website but you do.
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