Anybody? I can provide pictures if you don't feel like pausing it on the Dark Knight.
Originally Posted by buzzard767
Changing low end gamma should have no effect on any gamma response above 7 or 8% and should not "wash out" anything. Try some different content as all of your comments are based on one scene in one movie. Also, why not pause that Potter scene, adjust 5% luminance up and down, and see what happens?
Hey buzz thanks for the reply. I actually tried that first. So I went and tried a better reference material like the Dark Knight. Try the scene right after the window shadow detail you posted in chapter 2 with the guy in the car talking to the other guy at 6:41 time stamp pause the movie. As you add any luminance it brightens the dark spots of his beard to the point that it looks washed out and smoothed over like a filter would do to a Facebook photo.
The positive is that the luminance adds more definition to his ear but then smoothes his face out in the process.
Also on really bad content like Netflix Gotham s1 episode 1, if you adjust the luminance up it makes the pixelated and blocky background even worse. I also watched Halloween 1 on blu ray and it makes the already grainy movie greyed and way more grainer with the luminance adjustment.
Is this how it's supposed to be? Do you still use luminance adjustment with poor filmed sources? Does 52 brightness sound around the ballpark for 81 contrast and 32 oled light? I used the velvet and that's what I ended on with a 0% near black slide.
All in all I definitely see the more detail that the luminance adjustment brings out but is it supposed to be at this big of a cost where it smooths things out like the camera filters on our cell phones?
Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus
I watched the same Harry Potter scene on Blu-ray this morning and in my opinion, it's a terrible scene/movie to use for testing. Watching this scene on not just my OLED but also on a Panny ST55 the graveyard scene is full of a lot of noise and blocky blacks (like a really bad DirecTV stream quality). This immediately points to the issue being the movie. I would not judge my settings based on it. I just saw there are new Bluray versions being released, so maybe these new ones will have better video encoding. You need a scene of better quality. The Dark Knight is a great choice.
Also, you need to accept that this near black tweak is preference and not reference. There is no set rule to follow. Adjust the settings based on what YOU like.
And when you say you can see 17, how visible is it? IMO, 17 needs to be barely visible. If you can see it clearly from your seating or without much effort to adjust to lighting conditions, luminance is probably too high. But again, this is all subjective and no set rule or goal exists. To each their own.
Set it how YOU like and what looks good to YOU. And forget it.
Here is a description of the Bluray quality of Goblet of Fire
Just a reminder that even when watching a 1080p Bluray, not all content is created or mastered equally.
Hey thanks for your reply. I definitely understand that source material is a big factor but see my reply to buzz above and try out that scene on your set as well on the dark knight. On my set it brought out a lot more detail in his ear that I could not see but at the cost of overly smoothing the guys face that you lost detail in his beard since it was so bright.
What do you do for Netflix material since it's mostly garbage? If I add luminance to the poor source it just brings it out wayyyy more. Looks at the opening scene of Gotham s1 episode 1 if you have it on Netflix. It makes things super blocky and pixelated and brings out the horrid stuff hiding if I just use oled light 32, contrast 81, and brightness 52 with no luminance adjustment.
Also, when I found 17, I did it so I could barely, in the slightest see it in a completely black room, at least for my movie room in my loft. My luminance +13 adjustment is correct even on that scene that Buzzard posted of the dark knight windows. The windows aren't fully detailed until I adjust luminance to +13.
I realize this method isn't reference. I have just put a lot of time into it and money into the black velvet so I figured I would try to get 17 to show.
So if I don't end up figuring out this luminance thing, what brightness should I settle on? Meaning one that just shows 19 but not 17 or 18 which would be 53 on my set or the one where everything is black from 16 down, which would be 52?
Thanks again for all of your help and sorry if I'm being a major PITA.