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Compared to mastering and professional monitors, all home equipment is in the category of "child's toys". So let's not try to get too offended here. But all it truly means, is that these oleds can still be greatly enhanced. 12-16 bit panels, professional processing, true RGB structure. In 5 years we'll all be looking back and laughing at these tvs we have now.

Sony jumping into oled pushes everyone to get better and truly puts Samsung on the hot seat. Until qled we can now let LG and Sony have oled wars.
Of course, I realize that's a studio monitor, but I still question some of the claims (particularly the one about drifting as it relates to calibration). At least so far, LG WOLED has not shown to drift that much and has relatively good accuracy OOTB.
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Rumor of 55" starts at $2000. Not bad if true.
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Have to believe Sony is not happy that the oled association CEO let the entire cat out of the bag, including prices. Could hurt 65" Z9D sales.

Which raises another question, will sony release a dumbed down oled to still give its z9d the preferred hdr monitor?
This ^!!! I think so too. Let me find out the Sony OLED's will be last years B6 with their name on it? Something smells funny about this. They are not stupid. If these OLED sets are up to their usual high standards with processing, then there is no way they would undercut their flagship display. Who would buy the Z at that point? If those prices really are true I am thinking they are just selling a basic model with their either their most basic of processing or LG's processing with their (Sony's) menu system and Android added in. Something has to give here.

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If the rumor is true.

Big if but...

That random dude on the internet (Forbes contributor are just that.... Contributor) said Sony would use LG panel....

Not that big of a development.

Wait and see
He's not some "random dude on the internet" nor are most of the Forbes contributors. Those of us that post regularly aren't "Forbes staff" but we have our niches to cover because of our credibility.

John is one of those people.

There's a saying about "everything in moderation". If only it was applied to well, you know...
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This does not sound like the OLED many were looking for from Sony.

We will find out soon enough.
It would seem that way. Stripped down versions of their LG counterparts like a C6/B6 sans the Dolby Vision, etc?
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Yeah... so crappy they're considered among the best displays ever made
Too much hit and miss, banding and so on. If we can get more comps making OLED then prices will drop some and the tech can get better and then maybe i will buy in a year or 2.

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Tru motion is off. I am sick and tired of the bitchjng about sample and hold. Have you seen a panel with the latest fw? Motion issues are gone.

honestly, this is the first time i've read about this motion issue and i have been scrutinizing my B6 like looking for hair evidence in a football field. i honestly don't know what people are talking about ....

the B6 is seriously the BEST tv i've ever had and i've owned a few Panasonic plasmas and a few Sony 4ks...(anecdotal).
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Please for the love of all that is playstation, bring back the godlike input-lag levels like back in their 2013 1080p TVs. Sub 15ms with great IQ, it was the golden days of 1080p.

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To date, Sony is the only 4K UHD manufacturer to reliably offer 120Hz native input (1080p) alongside 4K 60Hz 4:4:4, which is of great value to PC gaming. If Sony can do this with an OLED - something LG has not yet offered - I will buy one on day one... assuming of course that they tick all the other boxes such as input lag, BFI, etc. Plus, I assume it will have built-in Chromecast/Google TV which will hopefully be upgraded to be on equal footing with the Chromecast Ultra for watching HDR YouTube videos and more.

2017 is looking up!
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honestly, this is the first time i've read about this motion issue and i have been scrutinizing my B6 like looking for hair evidence in a football field. i honestly don't know what people are talking about ....

the B6 is seriously the BEST tv i've ever had and i've owned a few Panasonic plasmas and a few Sony 4ks...(anecdotal).
Idk, I don't see it either. I did on the original fw's, but its gone, as far as I'm concerned.
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If this is indeed true then I will have finally found a successor to my Sony 55inch W900A. But until I see conformation from Sony that they are indeed getting on the OLED bandwagon I will have my doubts. So I will wait for Sony to confirm it.
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If this is indeed true then I will have finally found a successor to my Sony 55inch W900A. But until I see conformation from Sony that they are indeed getting on the OLED bandwagon I will have my doubts. So I will wait for Sony to confirm it.
It is more or less a given at this point that there will be a Sony OLED TV in 2017. Even the flatpanelhd guy is convinced..

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It is more or less a given at this point that there will be a Sony OLED TV in 2017. Even the flatpanelhd guy is convinced..

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1481099273
If it isnt true, then Sony's PR people are incompetent. They should have directly or indirectly contacted Archer and given a "sourced" statement that this was false.

If they launch anything less than an OLED or Z9D for $3000, the tech press and videophiles are going to be disappointed. Controlling expectations matters.

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Controlling expectations matters.
Do you think it matters beyond the bubble that are AV forums? John Q. Public won't care about the rumors and likely has no expectations other than "new TVs are cheaper and better than last year". "OLED? Yeah, my TV is LED, too!"
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Too much hit and miss, banding and so on. If we can get more comps making OLED then prices will drop some and the tech can get better and then maybe i will buy in a year or 2.
Some have too much banding. Some have practically no banding at all. Luckily LG's customer service is just about the best in TV's and most people who get a display with too much banding can do something about it. Also the banding has been proven to diminish with hours, how much it diminishes varies. There's been A LOT of people who had noticeably bad banding/ vignetting at first and wanted to return, but they didn't and 200 hours later it was almost gone and not a real problem. There is no such thing as a perfect display and some level of flaw has to be accepted usually. LG's OLED's have at times been more flawed than many would consider acceptable but there's very few displays available currently that could be considered less flawed than LG's current line of OLED's. They're good enough for critics to consider them the best displays available even given their relatively low motion resolution, and most of these guys are the same critics who called the Kuro's the best displays ever back in 07/ 08.

So yes they are flawed... but calling them "crappy" is simply just wrong, and anybody who claims they are "crap" in any way probably should not be taken seriously.

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I think I'll stick with my X930D for the next few years.....
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Idk, I don't see it either. I did on the original fw's, but its gone, as far as I'm concerned.
Here's the thing, the set looks great as long as the frame rate is high enough. Gaming is stupidly good at 60fps with Trumotion turned off. 30fps even looks good enough. The processing around 24fps content leaves something to be desired. Especially as more people are getting it from streaming boxes that output 60fps. So you are getting less blur from the panel itself, but it has two side effects:

1) Judder from 24p sources played back at 60fps is more visible/objectionable.
2) More perceived blur or "persistence of vision" effects from sample and hold when compared to BFI or backlight strobing techniques LCD uses.

Yes, there's TruMotion, but it tends to artifact certain content really easy, where Sony's version on my HX929 can be left on for all content and it helps across the board. After living with the HX929 for 5 years, it's the one thing I'm still trying to get used to with the LG set is just how meh the motion processing really is.

It is better than LCD with everything turned off, but I'm also used to 1080 lines of motion resolution with it turned on and no SOE. Not ~300, because I want to avoid SOE. It spoils you when you have it.

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This ^!!! I think so too. Let me find out the Sony OLED's will be last years B6 with their name on it? Something smells funny about this. They are not stupid. If these OLED sets are up to their usual high standards with processing, then there is no way they would undercut their flagship display. Who would buy the Z at that point? If those prices really are true I am thinking they are just selling a basic model with their either their most basic of processing or LG's processing with their (Sony's) menu system and Android added in. Something has to give here.
Their "good" processing exists on their X930D which lists for 1500$ for a 55". I suspect this is really aimed at replacing that for a bit of a premium for the panel. If the processing is based on the chips used in that set, I'm happy. And I suspect that this set would be aimed at replacing the X930D, with the sizes being discussed, not the Z9 (yet).

The Z9's price reflects the complexity of building out a good FALD set, not their motion processing.

Seriously, if they can price a 55" OLED w/MotionFlow and decent input lag (30ms) at 2k, it will be the first TV I ever pre-order.
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This seems to be taking a direction to a Oled War. LG vs Sony.

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Do you think it matters beyond the bubble that are AV forums? John Q. Public won't care about the rumors and likely has no expectations other than "new TVs are cheaper and better than last year". "OLED? Yeah, my TV is LED, too!"
The number of active AVS posters is tiny but their influence goes way beyond their personal buying decisions. Both the writers and many more readers of these posts impact the buying decisions of their social circles. I would guess that nearly everybody on AVS has been asked by other people about their opinion on some piece of AV equipment. That is particularly true when we are talking about $2000 plus televisions. Most people do at least some research and they either end up asking their technophile friends or research through Google (which will almost always bring you here).

It isnt just the AVS forums though. Expectations are being set for the tech writers and bloggers that go to CES and give the first reactions to all of the new TV's that will be at CES. There is no reason for Sony to let expectations of a $2000 55" OLED linger if they are false.

What else are PR departments for if not shaping expectations and reactions?
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He, Lee Woo-keun, a senior researcher at LG Economic Research Institute, added “LG is leading the OLED TV market in the premium TV market ahead of next year’s CES, but we will have to keep an eye on the impact of Sony’s joining” as one of the notable issues in large-sized OLED panels, and he continued “as there is still a fundamental expectation for Sony’s image quality among existing consumers, we will have to pay attention to what innovative appearance Sony’ OLED TVs will show and how they can appeal to consumers.

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Wow looks like sony may be building a oled soon, should be interesting to see if they do and how it will affect oled pricing etc.
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This seems to be taking a direction to a Oled War. LG vs Sony.

Doesn't LG win either way since it is their panel they are selling to Sony?

Could this be more like Sony trying to get the jump on Samsung (whom they have lost quite a bit of market share to)?

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Doesn't LG win either way since it is their panel they are selling to Sony?

Could this be more like Sony trying to get the jump on Samsung (whom they have lost quite a bit of market share to)?
LG Electronics (LGE) sells the TV's.

LG Display (LGD) sell the panels to LGE and Sony.

LGE owns ~30% of LGD, but they are not the same company.
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This! Im keeping my W900a until Sony has a worthy successor. I was thinking it would be the Z9 but I want to see what else Sony has to offer in 17.
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LG Electronics (LGE) sells the TV's.

LG Display (LGD) sell the panels to LGE and Sony.

LGE owns ~30% of LGD, but they are not the same company.
Thanks ,I didn't know that they are two diferent companies.

What I don't get is that both are under the same brand.
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Will be interesting to see both in the 2017 TV shootout.


Hope that support dolby vision like LG. I think HDR compatibility is a must right now.
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What I'd like to know is how likely it is that a Sony OLED TV will feature 3D capability - especially if they're aiming to be competitive in their pricing.

And would any 3D be passive or active? I seem to recall that the Samsung OLED TV 3D was active, but that the LG OLED 3D is passive due to the lower brightness (and Sony will be using the same LG panels).

Ultimately, though, 3D needs to be a feature in order for me to make a purchase, so I can only hope that Sony supports this format.

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My Sony OLED Wishlist:

-flat screen
-1080p input lag under 25ms
-1080p/120hz native input
-motion handling on par with their lcd's
-judder-free 24p via 60p
-4k hdr input lag under 40ms

would prefer: stand with a small footprint

dont care about: 3d
dont care about: speaker quality
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