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I came back from CES thinking I'd probably find a way to upgrade my C6 for a C7, but after watching Kubo and the 2 Strings in 3D last night with the family, I don't think it's worth it for us.

3D is dead, there will probably be an end to new 3D content announced soon, but there is an awful lot of 3D content already released that we have not seen yet.

The C6 (and E/G6 ) is the penultimate 3D television ever to see the light of day, and I think I'm going to feel better just enjoying perfect Rec.709 Blurays, the best in-home 3D ever, and whatever limited version of HDR10 (clipping) and Dolby Vision (no Golden File) I can over the next few years while HDR continues to evolve and settles down.

We're now in the middle of a race to achieve Rec.2020 at 4000 Nits with 'Full color-volume' and this is going to continue for at least another 5 years. In the meantime, standards are going to continue to evolve and things like broadcast HDR are likely to emerge.

The 2017 OLEDs are a step closer in that race than the 2016 OLEDs were, but honestly, the 2018 OLEDs are almost certan to be that much better again and the 2019 OLEDs beyond them.

If 3D holds no interest for you, a 2017 OLED would be a better choice that a B6. If you value 3D at all (or are even open to the idea and willing to evaluate ), picking up a C6 (or E6) before they dissapear may be the better choice...
I just bought Kubo in 2d Cause I was cheap, but I got the other three Laika films in 3d in a great blu ray deal,

and WOW!!!

(rebought Coraline for 3d)

this is the perfect 3d showcase,


though 3d tv's are dead, are 3d blu rays really going to be dead too or will studios continue pumping them out for select titles for people who do already have 3d tv's? never know,


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I thought it has been stated that the SoC for the B7 is different from the rest of 2017 line up. Whether this truly affects performance is yet to be determined but seems the B6 has had differences in performance than the more expensive models.

LG informed HDTVTest that all of its 2017 OLEDs will deliver the same picture quality, and receive the same software updates, indicating that they will share the same underlying chipset.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/lg-w7-201701084420.htm
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So again on that 77, with existing fabs, the price is going to come down slowly. And sytech is still wrong about why.

If they go with 8G substrates for the P10 fab, even in late 2018, the price will come down somewhat significantly less than many of us would like because it will still be inefficient to make them. But the increase in overall capacity at that point will mean that pricing will indeed come down from the stratosphere if it hasn't by then.

What a lot of people probably want to know is when pricing will be more "proportional" and that's going to depend on (1) whether the substrate size is 10G or not (2) how quickly the P10 fab ramps (3) how quickly LG can drive down other costs and therefore utilize fab capacity to expand OLED market share otherwise (4) something else I'm not thinking of.

None of this is going to stop 65s from getting to $2000 pretty soon. That alone is going to drag down the pricing eventually.

There's a saying about "everything in moderation". If only it was applied to well, you know...
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Id love a 75" range for a great price, but at least we are finally back near where plasma 65" was when it crapped out. I can deal with these prices for a great 65".
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And I know I have been talking about getting an OLED for the longest time to replace my plasma but one hurdle has been removed in that I have actually sold my plasma to my nephew last Christmas.
I think you may be on to something with selling instead of giving Christmas gifts (lol).
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I think that's somewhat disingenuous. There are definitely aspects of the B6 that are a notch down from the others owed to the different SoC. The 'game mode' update being the most notable, being delayed for several months as compared to the rest of the line. Also, it's not due for the HLG update (at all to my knowledge). We can certainly debate whether these things technically constitute "PQ" and in general I don't think they're a big deal (at all!) but to say these displays are the same is really not true.

Several months ? The dates are on Rtings , now it have better imput lag than the C,E,G.



Rting hdr game mode C,E,G 12/02/2016.

Rtings hdr game mode : 01/05/2017
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I know it's been rounded but exposed glass edges make me nervous (perhaps because I just got badly cut by glass last fall ).
I've got a G6 and I guess I could cut myself on its edge. But only after spending 30 minutes or so sharpening the edge with a powered grinding tool.

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I've got a G6 and I guess I could cut myself on its edge. But only after spending 30 minutes or so sharpening the edge with a powered grinding tool.

Probably.

I just don't see the appeal - ithe 'picture-on-glass' look just appears unfinished to me.

The W7/C7 look is far more polished/complete to my eyes...
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I came back from CES thinking I'd probably find a way to upgrade my C6 for a C7, but after watching Kubo and the 2 Strings in 3D last night with the family, I don't think it's worth it for us.

3D is dead, there will probably be an end to new 3D content announced soon, but there is an awful lot of 3D content already released that we have not seen yet.

The C6 (and E/G6 ) is the penultimate 3D television ever to see the light of day, and I think I'm going to feel better just enjoying perfect Rec.709 Blurays, the best in-home 3D ever, and whatever limited version of HDR10 (clipping) and Dolby Vision (no Golden File) I can over the next few years while HDR continues to evolve and settles down.

We're now in the middle of a race to achieve Rec.2020 at 4000 Nits with 'Full color-volume' and this is going to continue for at least another 5 years. In the meantime, standards are going to continue to evolve and things like broadcast HDR are likely to emerge.

The 2017 OLEDs are a step closer in that race than the 2016 OLEDs were, but honestly, the 2018 OLEDs are almost certan to be that much better again and the 2019 OLEDs beyond them.

If 3D holds no interest for you, a 2017 OLED would be a better choice that a B6. If you value 3D at all (or are even open to the idea and willing to evaluate ), picking up a C6 (or E6) before they dissapear may be the better choice...

I think the manufacturers are pulling a classic coke on us. They are looking for low hanging fruit for getting buyers to purchase a TV. First it was 3D then it was curved screens - neither really doing much but it was a MUST HAVE according to the manufacturers and they got the journalists to chant it to us. One manufacturer is offering rear directed moonlighting on their sets. I think next year it will be new and improved 3d with flavor crystals (that's how you know it's working).
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Several months ? The dates are on Rtings , now it have better imput lag than the C,E,G.



Rting hdr game mode C,E,G 12/02/2016.

Rtings hdr game mode : 01/05/2017
I agree with losservatore, the B6 now has 27ms which is substantially better than the C, E or G which is pretty impressive for 33 days of extra work (Including christmas!)
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Well...now I know what my tax return is going to

Can't believe the day I own a big screen OLED is almost here. I've been dreaming about it for a long, long time
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Looking forward to more OLED options. Can't wait to check out in person.
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It's not true QLED it's still essentially LCD that Samsung have renamed QLED until true self light emitting QLED comes along. You will suffer the same off angle issues as LCD. I don't care that it outputs more light and they have improved blacks. Samsung are really trying to derail LG's OLED freight train it would seem.

Samsung says that new 2017 100% DCI color LCD has IPS panel or better off axis view

Like you say it's still LCD and the usual LCD pitfalls otherwise.

Again I belive you are correct and Samsung is trying to derail OLED competition and convince the illitaratti and nueveo rich peasants it's a new LCD TV wheel .........................,


^^^^ like maybe that new dual LCD cell ultra black Panasonic LCD panel that probably needs nuclear or megawatt backlighting mains current for plausible HDR to get outta all that new found LCD (absence of light to make black business )



What what can they do outside of a Samsung display panel Samung OLED TV vis a vis a Samung OLED panel or wholly not an LGD OLED panel and when was the last time you saw an LGD panel in a range topping Samung anyway, those rivals hate each other

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I use a TIVO Bolt to feed OTA to my 65B6P.

In experimenting between having the TIVO output 4K or the multiple OTA resolutions, I believe using the native resolutions and letting the display scale them give me a bit better motion.

I also noticed that maybe we get so focused on motion that we forget that it wasn't perfect on plasmas either. I'm finding the difference is a whole lot closer than when we look at the OLEDs in isolation.
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I use a TIVO Bolt to feed OTA to my 65B6P.
I believe using the native resolutions and letting the display scale them give me a bit better motion.
Ditto
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I think the manufacturers are pulling a classic coke on us. They are looking for low hanging fruit for getting buyers to purchase a TV. First it was 3D then it was curved screens - neither really doing much but it was a MUST HAVE according to the manufacturers and they got the journalists to chant it to us. One manufacturer is offering rear directed moonlighting on their sets. I think next year it will be new and improved 3d with flavor crystals (that's how you know it's working).
3D was never a must have as far as I (and others) were concerned until it was incorporated in UHD 4K OLED. Curve screens have never been a must have...that was another Samfunk disinformation campaign.
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I came back from CES thinking I'd probably find a way to upgrade my C6 for a C7, but after watching Kubo and the 2 Strings in 3D last night with the family, I don't think it's worth it for us.

3D is dead, there will probably be an end to new 3D content announced soon, but there is an awful lot of 3D content already released that we have not seen yet.

The C6 (and E/G6 ) is the penultimate 3D television ever to see the light of day, and I think I'm going to feel better just enjoying perfect Rec.709 Blurays, the best in-home 3D ever, and whatever limited version of HDR10 (clipping) and Dolby Vision (no Golden File) I can over the next few years while HDR continues to evolve and settles down.

We're now in the middle of a race to achieve Rec.2020 at 4000 Nits with 'Full color-volume' and this is going to continue for at least another 5 years. In the meantime, standards are going to continue to evolve and things like broadcast HDR are likely to emerge.

The 2017 OLEDs are a step closer in that race than the 2016 OLEDs were, but honestly, the 2018 OLEDs are almost certan to be that much better again and the 2019 OLEDs beyond them.

If 3D holds no interest for you, a 2017 OLED would be a better choice that a B6. If you value 3D at all (or are even open to the idea and willing to evaluate ), picking up a C6 (or E6) before they dissapear may be the better choice...
So much truthiness (but my G6 does not in the least look unfinished; let's call it a minimal design).
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I don't know which 'prognosticators' you are referring to, but I have been 'prognosticating' for over a year now that 77" OLED pricing will not enjoy the same dramatic price drop we saw with 55" and 65" OLEDs last year until P10 is up and running (meaning 2019, at best .

Oh, and another lifetime 'prognosticator' here on AVS, Rogo, has been saying the same thing...
Fafrd, it wasn't you or Mark. I know neither of you were looking for significant 77" price drops, but you know we have many 'prognosticators' on AVS.
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I've got a G6 and I guess I could cut myself on its edge. But only after spending 30 minutes or so sharpening the edge with a powered grinding tool.

You're more likely to cut yourself on that cutting edge picture.
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Anyone have any idea how low an 65e6 or 65b6 might go around superbowl? Really wanting to buy one of the OLEDs but they are just so damn expensive I'm having a hard time legitimizing it. Might just get the KS8000...
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Are you able to order from Cleveland Plasma for example? Near the end of life cycle his pricing will be dang good.
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Are you able to order from Cleveland Plasma for example? Near the end of life cycle his pricing will be dang good.
Really? I wouldn't have even considered them to be honest. They currently have both the B and the E for $4800. That's way worse than even Best Buy. Am I missing something?
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Really? I wouldn't have even considered them to be honest. They currently have both the B and the E for $4800. That's way worse than even Best Buy. Am I missing something?

That seems off. Did you talk to Chris directly for pricing?
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The 3d sets are going to become sort after, dropping 3d is a mistake by LG as it's simply jaw dropping compared to anything else out there, it is so watchable....
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Any chance the 77"ers would come in around $12-13k this year?
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Not disingenuous at all. I don't believe lag time gaming specs are a facet of PQ nor is the delay in acquiring the same update that other models receive. As for the HLG update, nobody knows what will happen until it happens. So this is moot for now and again has nothing to do with the PQ when the unit was released.


No, I never said there was 'certainty' that the next scene will have that shadow detail that will be missed. However when it does occur, shadow detail will be compromised.
I agree that gaming specs don't squarely fall within PQ, though a serious gamer would probably feel otherwise. As for "when the unit was released" and HLG, you're moving the goalposts. That's "a thing" now and the *6 versions of the display are still very much on the market, so not moot at all. The B6 is different than the rest of the line. We can quibble about degrees, but that't the fact. Why get so passionate saying otherwise?


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Several months ? The dates are on Rtings , now it have better imput lag than the C,E,G.



Rting hdr game mode C,E,G 12/02/2016.

Rtings hdr game mode : 01/05/2017
I never said anything about the resulting input lag after the input (and frankly I'm not surprised that a widely used off the shelf SoC is slightly better after the fact), simply that the B took longer to get the update. I was wrong about the degree of the delay (weeks instead of months) but I'm sure the serious gamers were quite upset about this as the thread about it indicates.

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Any chance the 77"ers would come in around $12-13k this year?
I think that by Black Friday of 2017 we might be able to see that price if you squint really hard.

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That seems off. Did you talk to Chris directly for pricing?


I'm not sure who that is as I have never purchased from then before but I would love to if he'll give me a good price on an OLED


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Chris Majoros owns CP, call them directly and talk to him. Much of the pricing can't be advertized. Ive bought two displays from him and it's always been easy and at a good price.

CP basically puts you in the area of better than Amazon and BBuy, but more than the shady internet companies, so good deal with safe seller.

As an example, I bought a 930C XBR and it arrived with a busted screen. Sent CP pics, got the replacement in 7-10 days and they took the busted one with them.

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Chris Majoros owns CP, call them directly and talk to him. Much of the pricing can't be advertized. Ive bought two displays from him and it's always been easy and at a good price.

CP basically puts you in the area of better than Amazon and BBuy, but more than the shady internet companies, so good deal with safe seller.

As an example, I bought a 930C XBR and it arrived with a busted screen. Sent CP pics, got the replacement in 7-10 days and they took the busted one with them.

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Well thank you. I appreciate the information very much and will give him a call.
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Did someone say some/all the 2017 LG OLED's have a DisplayPort on them?

Is this true?
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