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^^ Why 64?
Because it's divisible by 8.
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Because it's divisible by 8.
64 billion into 8......that is a lot of people to consider for
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This is what I would expect, I think there is too much hysteria about it.
Yep exactly my thoughts. It makes sense why they designed it like that, and to be fair this will look pretty amazing wall mounted as there are no logos just a small light on the bottom of the panel.

On a stand again after about a minute you can't even tell and just stare at how good the image is.
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While not wanting to start a flame war here, but had you spent much time with the LG OLEDs before checking out the Sony?

And if so, were you able to perceive much difference in terms of picture performance?

I'm just interested to know if any Sony superiority is immediately apparent. My biggest concern with the LGs is motion handling, as employing any kind of interpolation through its Trumotion system seems to immediately result in artefacts (that aren't reproduced on the ZD9).

I take it that there was no BFI option on the A1E?

How about near black detail, and any sign of banding or vignetting?

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We spent time with the 2016 oled, mainly the E6. The A1 is definitely brighter and for our money a better panel. I couldn't see any motion issues as we where allowed to watch more than just clips, eg the force awakens and some football as well - looked fantastic

We where not allowed to go into the menus to be fair, however was given the ability to change and adjust the PQ but i can't recall seeing anything about BFI options - but I was happy to say no sign of vignetting at all. With the content we watched it was hard to see if there was any near black issues, will need more time with it.

All in all this unit is amazing, my only concern would be android but to be fair it is much faster than my own x930d and I couldn't see any lag.
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This sounds like a review I read earlier this month, unless you wrote that review,

In any case, I'm excited, ESPECIALLY for motion issues. I will be returning my B6 and waiting for the A1. Hopefully it's out by May/June 2017.

The lean is irrelevant to me, I'll be mounting it anyway.

Also curious to hear, like Desk said above, comments re: banding, as it's an LG panel anyway, so in theory it should also have LG panel issues.
Didn't see any banding issues at all. Motion looked pretty amazing, speaking with the Sony guys that was something they worked very hard on to ensure it is as good or better than their LCD panels.

Will give them a lot of credit, it is a tremendous tv. I'll definitely replace my x930 with one of these when they are released.
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Didn't see any banding issues at all. Motion looked pretty amazing, speaking with the Sony guys that was something they worked very hard on to ensure it is as good or better than their LCD panels.
I'd add that one of the things Sony's processing has done well is to do dithering to deal with banding. Even on the older 8-bit panels like the one I have. I'd be very surprised if they threw it out, especially after touting it in their page on the X1E.

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I would say there is a great chance of that.......
I am about ready to throw out all my gear and start over.

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Led-Zep, Did you get to watch HDR footage on the A1E? Force Awakens is only SDR except Dolby Vision in theaters. What HDR footage did you watch? Great to hear about motion, in interested in the A1E for gaming.


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Led-Zep, Did you get to watch HDR footage on the A1E? Force Awakens is only SDR except Dolby Vision in theaters. What HDR footage did you watch? Great to hear about motion, in interested in the A1E for gaming.
Yeah, but input lag is still something we don't know about - unless @Led-zep had a chance to try out gaming, too? It'd be a shame if Sony's excellent processing came at the cost of big input lag, especially when LG's OLED sets are set to get down to 21ms this year.

I'm very glad to hear that Sony are so focused on motion handling, as that's one area where I feel the LGs are lacking. It's just a pity Sony don't appear to be offering the option of a 'rolling scan' display as with their professional OLED monitors, but instead just sample and hold.

I'm assuming that the superior upscaling of the X1 Extreme chip as seen on the ZD9 is also evident in the A1E, and it's looking like a pretty impressive piece of machinery.

Can't wait to see a thorough review, and to hear the pricing.

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Hasn't Sony always been good with Input Lag?
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The tilt so puts me off the Sony and we a year of hdmi 2.1
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This looks like the TV I'll be waiting for...as in waiting for the price drop....
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The tilt so puts me off the Sony and we a year of hdmi 2.1
Look a few posts up with a review, the tilt doesn't matter after a few mins......
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Look a few posts up with a review, the tilt doesn't matter after a few mins......
Same as curved tv owners say they dont notice it riiight
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The tilt will Even be a issue calibrating it to Get the meter flush to the screen to not Get any ambient room light in
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Good thing my wall is vertical.
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The tilt will Even be a issue calibrating it to Get the meter flush to the screen to not Get any ambient room light in
How so? If calibrating on a tripod, the tripod can be adjusted to accommodate. Even if not using a tripod, I don't see it as being an issue. Not that I'm trying to defend the tilt (hate it).

While people may not notice it while sitting directly in front of the screen, those sitting to the sides probably will. Granted, I haven't seen one in the flesh yet, so who knows. But I'm fully expecting to buy a separate pedestal stand to eliminate the problem.
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If only there was a none tilted Sony option. Just having "stright" speakers next to a tilted screen also will look really out of place.
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Or am I missing something? I hope I am, because I am interested in this display but not at $5000+.

Ditto for 55" Z1C Sony OLED at anthing close to USD $4060. then a 2017 X930E maybe becomes plausible at 2017 Q4 usual LCD price drop instead if it's significantly better than my X850C like I suspect will be the case with Sony OLED unless Z9D drops like a stone and the Sony OLED tax is still too high .

X930E from X850C may even be a plausible upgrade here at the right price

2018 brings more HDR formats ,maybe HDMI 2.1 and importantly probably a next gen LGD OLED panel for the Z1C ????


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Same as curved tv owners say they dont notice it riiight
TBF i hate curved TVs and the curve is easily noticeable, with the "tilt" i genuinely didnt see it after i sat down in front of it.

Unlike the curved however, this will still look great mounted as there is no stupid curve and the back part of the stand just folds in.

I can understand why they did this as all the controls/inputs etc are built into the stand, it has to hold something.
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TBF i hate curved TVs and the curve is easily noticeable, with the "tilt" i genuinely didnt see it after i sat down in front of it.

Unlike the curved however, this will still look great mounted as there is no stupid curve and the back part of the stand just folds in.

I can understand why they did this as all the controls/inputs etc are built into the stand, it has to hold something.
Is it possible to mount the A1E to a separate tv stand? (To make it vertical without wall-mounting.) Are there stands out there compatible with the rear of the A1E?
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Is it possible to mount the A1E to a separate tv stand? (To make it vertical without wall-mounting.) Are there stands out there compatible with the rear of the A1E?
Its Vesa mount compatible so a tilting and correct size vesa stand or wall mount will cover that .
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Is the A1E considered the "flagship" or will that still be held by the ZD9?
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I'm really looking at A1E and the tilt back doesn't bother me. We can always add some rubber stick on feat to the back that can level it. Just have to test it and see if it's not balanced out and would easily fall forward.

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Is the A1E considered the "flagship" or will that still be held by the ZD9?
Sony A1E OLED , Flagship OLED and only OLED for now .

Z9D Flagship LCD megawatt FALD

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Not to mention that the new X1E is great on my 75Z9D. So with the same on there OLED will and should bring a PQ never seen before.
I for one can't wait to see it.
My motion is so good and black levels. Not to mention that the processing makes it look like a 2D TV was turned into 3D with glasses.
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Not to mention that the new X1E is great on my 75Z9D. So with the same on there OLED will and should bring a PQ never seen before.
I for one can't wait to see it.
My motion is so good and black levels. Not to mention that the processing makes it look like a 2D TV was turned into 3D with glasses.
It's that good.

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Ditto


OTOH imagine a next gen 2018 LGD OLED panel in that thing
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I really can't wait for this one the more I read up on the X1 chip in the Z9D and what it does for motion.
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