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post #2131 of 2218 Old 12-31-2017, 12:37 PM
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Hey guys. Sony A1 vs LG E6 motion processing with slow motion videos

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As a new owner of the 77 G7 I am struggling with motion. I find myself switching between 2 and 4 on DJ. Can't decide. I could really care less about the cable signal, but when watching a 4k blu ray I want it to be perfect.
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I find myself switching between 2 and 4 on DJ. Can't decide.
I got the answer for ya.

Switch it to 3 and forget about it.
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I got the answer for ya.

Switch it to 3 and forget about it.
LOL. I did that last night, and moved the DB to 5. I don't know if it was that or setting my oppo 203 to UHD 60hz but things look fantastic now.
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Guys I think I've made a breakthrough for me!

I've had my C6P for over a year now and I think I've finally found the settings that looks the best for me...at least watching 4k blurays through my Xbox One.

Watching Spider-Man Homecoming, in particular, the scene where Spider-Man is chasing the bad guys in the white van through town, with TM set to DJ2,DB5 I see NO ARTIFACTS and very little judder. This is from a seating position of about 4 feet also.

The judder on this set without TM turned on to some degree is bearable and what I've had this TV set at most often but during long panning shots or quick moving scenes it drives me crazy. Even with watching high quality 4k movies it's hard to even tell what is going on during intense actions scenes because to me, u lose so much clarity. With these settings for me everything looked fantastic! Best I've seen since I got this set.

I must add also, that I am probably more turned off by artifacts then judder. That's why I have messed with these settings so much. Just about anything I've found where judder was under control the artifacts became too much to bear. For some reason, the combination of DJ2, DB5 is almost a perfect sweet spot. At least for me.
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Quick update on previous post. I think that darker scenes hide artifacts more then brighter ones. As I continued to watch Spiderman I noticed SOME artifacts in brighter scenes but far fewer then I have when using other TM settings and not enough for me to say that this isn't the best settings I have found on my set since I purchased it. I might try dropping DJ to 1 as I figure that might drop artifacts to even less but may introduce more judder then what I want. I will keep everyone updated.
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These artefacts are very visible on real content - I filmed the video to show how odd they are, and how this is a different implementation of dejudder to previous years' sets (I still have a 970 to compare it against).
Not sure if the was followed up but that 60fps YouTube video fails because it is only rendered in 30fps because it is avc codec rather than vp9. Applies to all avc content which includes lots of pc generated content. Posted same on the avforums thread. Sorry if well known
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I have Frontier FIOS TV Quantum service with the VMS 1100 box.
I am getting "smearing", "movement looks like it is stirring soup", "blotches", and "cloudy" picture quality".
I have switched cable boxes, changed wiring to the box from Coax to Ethernet, and rebooted the cable boxes, etc.
I have reset the TV setting back to normal.
I need your help to tell me what Setting on my OLED TV to change so I can eliminate this poor picture quality.
Please help.
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I have Frontier FIOS TV Quantum service with the VMS 1100 box.
I am getting "smearing", "movement looks like it is stirring soup", "blotches", and "cloudy" picture quality".
I have switched cable boxes, changed wiring to the box from Coax to Ethernet, and rebooted the cable boxes, etc.
I have reset the TV setting back to normal.
I need your help to tell me what Setting on my OLED TV to change so I can eliminate this poor picture quality.
Please help.
Looks like compression artifacts from your provider. Not much you can do about that. Garbage in = garbage out. You could try lowering brightness a click or two.

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I have Frontier FIOS TV Quantum service with the VMS 1100 box.
I am getting "smearing", "movement looks like it is stirring soup", "blotches", and "cloudy" picture quality".
I have switched cable boxes, changed wiring to the box from Coax to Ethernet, and rebooted the cable boxes, etc.
I have reset the TV setting back to normal.
I need your help to tell me what Setting on my OLED TV to change so I can eliminate this poor picture quality.
Please help.
What connection are you between the Fios box and the OLED TV?
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What connection are you between the Fios box and the OLED TV?
The FIOS box is connected via HDMI to Denon x2200 receiver which is connected to LG OLED E6P via HDMI.
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The FIOS box is connected via HDMI to Denon x2200 receiver which is connected to LG OLED E6P via HDMI.
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What are the video settings in the Denon? Try turning I to P processing off or Video Processing off all together.
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What are the video settings in the Denon? Try turning I to P processing off or Video Processing off all together.
Thanks Marc,
I tried turning off the I/P processing in the Denon and no change.
Still has smearing and cloudy picture quality.
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Hey guys. Sony A1 vs LG E6 motion processing with slow motion videos

https://www.avforums.com/threads/lg-...#post-25784051
Hi. Do you know what cadence is used for HDR /non HDR game mode?
Is it 1:1 refresh or some other pull down for 23.976/24/30 and 50/60 content? Sorry don't have an iPhone and don't know if three pixel 2 does slomo
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BTW, I attended CES 2018 and LG appears to have fully addressed motion for 2018. They were demoing the sets with motion torture tests and I'm guessing the complaints will be in the past.

I'm satisfied with motion on my 65E6P. I wouldn't trade the glorious 3D for a 2018. I would love to find a deal on a 77G6P though!
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BTW, I attended CES 2018 and LG appears to have fully addressed motion for 2018. They were demoing the sets with motion torture tests and I'm guessing the complaints will be in the past.

I'm satisfied with motion on my 65E6P. I wouldn't trade the glorious 3D for a 2018. I would love to find a deal on a 77G6P though!
Assuming that's true, it'd be nice if they fixed the motion processing of the E6's and E7's in a software update. Hell I would pay a little bit for that update.
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Assuming that's true, it'd be nice if they fixed the motion processing of the E6's and E7's in a software update. Hell I would pay a little bit for that update.
Sell your set and buy an E8. Sorry.
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BTW, I attended CES 2018 and LG appears to have fully addressed motion for 2018. They were demoing the sets with motion torture tests and I'm guessing the complaints will be in the past.

I'm satisfied with motion on my 65E6P. I wouldn't trade the glorious 3D for a 2018. I would love to find a deal on a 77G6P though!
Are you talking about using Trumotion on the 2018s? What about the motion on 24FPS content with Trumotion off? Is the motion fixed without using interpolation?
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Are you talking about using Trumotion on the 2018s? What about the motion on 24FPS content with Trumotion off? Is the motion fixed without using interpolation?
120Hz Trumotion

24fps at 5:5 displayed the natural judder you expect.
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Are you talking about using Trumotion on the 2018s? What about the motion on 24FPS content with Trumotion off? Is the motion fixed without using interpolation?
I don't think it's possible to fix 24fps on OLED without using frame interpolation. Sony is claiming batter 24fps but they are using interpolated frames. OLED is too fast. You would need one or two blurry made up frames from 120Hz refresh rate on 24fps frame transition. Other than that there is something going on with OLED pixel lighting pattern where some residue of charge is flashing out on contrasted edges on 24fps. Maybe this could be fixed and TM artifacts with newer TV's.

OLED needs higher frame rate to look good.
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120Hz Trumotion

24fps at 5:5 displayed the natural judder you expect.
So the motion without Trumotion is the same on the 2018 models.
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Hi. Do you know what cadence is used for HDR /non HDR game mode?
Is it 1:1 refresh or some other pull down for 23.976/24/30 and 50/60 content? Sorry don't have an iPhone and don't know if three pixel 2 does slomo
I'm not extensive gamer. "Game Mode" - are you talking about switching "Icon" on input to "Game Console"?

I just tested it. I don't think it makes much of a difference compared to other icons like Blu-Ray or Media Box. It should behave the same way as the rest. HDR and non HDR would be 1 to 1 (5:5 pulldown) with RC on 24fps. Why would you use "Game Mode" for 24fps? DV is forcing RC on.

The only difference as far as I know is when you select PC icon. It takes any processing out of the image. I maps everything 1 to 1 for pixels. It does not allow TM or RC and it pushes 3:2 pulldown.
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I'm not extensive gamer. "Game Mode" - are you talking about switching "Icon" on input to "Game Console"?

I just tested it. I don't think it makes much of a difference compared to other icons like Blu-Ray or Media Box. It should behave the same way as the rest. HDR and non HDR would be 1 to 1 (5:5 pulldown) with RC on 24fps. Why would you use "Game Mode" for 24fps? DV is forcing RC on.

The only difference as far as I know is when you select PC icon. It takes any processing out of the image. I maps everything 1 to 1 for pixels. It does not allow TM or RC and it pushes 3:2 pulldown.
Hi. I mean with hdmi input configured as normal, so home theatre for example. And I also only mean refresh rate, so if 23.976 is fed with game mode activated what happens? I'd do the boxes refresh rest but I don't have slow motion camera
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So the motion without Trumotion is the same on the 2018 models.
Without having access to a 2018 outside of the CES floor I can't really say.

I rarely notice any artifacts with 5:5 on the E6. The artifacts I have seen are source related (but appear worse on the LG than my Sony).
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Without having access to a 2018 outside of the CES floor I can't really say.

I rarely notice any artifacts with 5:5 on the E6. The artifacts I have seen are source related (but appear worse on the LG than my Sony).
You shouldn't see artifacts with RC on and TM off. I see them with TM on when dejudder is at 1 or higher. The correct choice with 24 fps is RC on and TM off for 5:5 cadence.

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Hi. I mean with hdmi input configured as normal, so home theatre for example. And I also only mean refresh rate, so if 23.976 is fed with game mode activated what happens? I'd do the boxes refresh rest but I don't have slow motion camera
Just like everything else in this TV. If you feed 23.976 and activate RC on you will end up with perfect match screen refresh clock rate adjusted and in synch to your source. You will have 5:5 pulldown following pixel clock rate from HDMI at 5 x 23.976Hz = 119.88Hz for screen refresh rate.

Selecting Game mode for source grays out RC and TM. This is probably equivalent to setting input label to PC.
Most likely it will do 3:2 pulldown from 24Hz HDMI just like PC icon on input. I will test it next time I play around with the camera.

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I got a bit intrigued with the "Game" mode. I've never wondered there before. Always on "ISF Expert" mode. I pulled out the camera and tested it. The best for this is 24p square test from Rtings.com and digital SLR camera.

As expected I can confirm now that "Game Mode" is iquivalent to settig input icon to "PC". RC and TM is greyout and not active.
TV is performing 3:2 puldown from 24fps source in Game Mode.

I think RC was active in earlier versions of firmware with PC icon.
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You guys that are talking about the performance of Trumotion on 2018 models, don't forget that they've added BFI to the 2018's also.

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You guys that are talking about the performance of Trumotion on 2018 models, don't forget that they've added BFI to the 2018's also.
How does it look? As bad as Sony A1 implementation?
60Hz flicker on 24fps material
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How does it look? As bad as Sony A1 implementation?
60Hz flicker on 24fps material
I honestly don't know. I've never seen the Sony A1 and I haven't seen the new 2018 LG's either. I just saw where Vincent referenced it in a video. I linked to the video just before they commented on it below.


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