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Now we've moved onto my anecdotes are better than your anecdotes. The Customer Report failure rate is all I need to see to know that its circumstantial noise.

I'm not aware of the contrast ratio values on those cheapie projectors, but I question how much I would have to fork out to get comparable performance to even a ZT60. I think only JVC offers anything comparable (may be outdated info). Even if I could, it wouldn't be enough after owning an OLED, bigger screen real estate be damned.
Your info is correct.

DLP projectors are something like 1700:1 native, which is about as bad, if not worse, than the theater.

Sony and Epson are good in terms of contrast, with the ratio increasing to respectable numbers if you are willing to spend top dollar.

JVC is the only show in town for Plasma blacks, in a black hole of course. For 1080p, they have some great mid ranged priced PJs. For 4k, they are in the $30k range.

Sony has a 4K laser PJ that's in the $60k range, but still does not match the native contrast of a JVC, even for that price. It does put out considerably more lumens than any other Home Theater Projector, though, so it's probably the only PJ that says it can do HDR that wouldn't elicit a snicker.

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Now we've moved onto my anecdotes are better than your anecdotes. The Customer Report failure rate is all I need to see to know that its circumstantial noise.

I'm not aware of the contrast ratio values on those cheapie projectors, but I question how much I would have to fork out to get comparable performance to even a ZT60. I think only JVC offers anything comparable (may be outdated info). Even if I could, it wouldn't be enough after owning an OLED, bigger screen real estate be damned.
Well you gave three-- I gave several thousand.


And I'm done arguing. I can't squint at a 65" display-- I'm glad you guys can. Hell, our 80" feels positively tiny after installing our projector. Not going to be able to do it.


I still like flat panels for the living room but I can't take them seriously as a home theater display.


Btw, my VT60 is now a gaming monitor. I sit directly in front of it. Next to it is a similar sized Panasonic plasma. Because my significant other and I don't play split screen. Too small...

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I can remember when plasmas first came out and some were asking what was the life expectancy of plasma. I still have my Pioneer Elite 150D 60 inch which is 9 years old and still looks as good as when I bought it. The thing is a work horse as between myself and my wife it is easily on at least 10 hours a day. I know OLED is still "new" but wondering if it will perform as well as my Pioneer has. When it goes an OLED will replace it as I prefer an emissive display technology.
All my TV's are plasma but I would like to upgrade my 42" in the basement family room only because I can fit a much larger screen to go along with my dolby atmos sound. 4k are great but can anything give me the off angle view ( work desk is more than 45 degree's) and no jitter for sports, also I love 3d
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All my TV's are plasma but I would like to upgrade my 42" in the basement family room only because I can fit a much larger screen to go along with my dolby atmos sound. 4k are great but can anything give me the off angle view ( work desk is more than 45 degree's) and no jitter for sports, also I love 3d


OLED will give you the viewing angles you're used to (maybe better depending on how thick the glass was on your plasma). OLED handles motion the same way LCD does-- so not great. Not terrible just not great. 3D is dead. Honestly, if you want 3D just buy a projector. Very few flatscreens offer 3D anymore and even fewer do a good job with it.

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OLED has a fast response time so the motion is not the same as LCD. Yes, it's a little blurrier than plasma and LCDs that use BFI with 60 fps content.

As long as 3D movies are being released, I'm not going to label it dead. Until you've seen 3D on an OLED, you haven't lived.
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I have been researching the e6 because we like PASSIVE 3D. my main tv is a sony xbr65x900a which is passive and has quantum dot. It is great but it is now over 3 years old and is on everyday for 10+hours , thanks to having grandchildren living with us . I have been a sony man since the trinitron days in the 80s and my 40 xbr 1 is still going strong. Is this the tv I should buy or would the cheaper lg uh 8500 do as well?
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OLED has a fast response time so the motion is not the same as LCD. Yes, it's a little blurrier than plasma and LCDs that use BFI with 60 fps content.

As long as 3D movies are being released, I'm not going to label it dead. Until you've seen 3D on an OLED, you haven't lived.
I agree - I so hope they keep releasing and/or redoing older films in 3D. I never thought I'd be so into this but damnit, my E6 forces me to appreciate 3D!

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I have been researching the e6 because we like PASSIVE 3D. my main tv is a sony xbr65x900a which is passive and has quantum dot. It is great but it is now over 3 years old and is on everyday for 10+hours , thanks to having grandchildren living with us . I have been a sony man since the trinitron days in the 80s and my 40 xbr 1 is still going strong. Is this the tv I should buy or would the cheaper lg uh 8500 do as well?
The U8500 is a great 3D performer but it will be quite a ways below an OLED in terms of overall PQ. Not in the same league, really. Its an IPS-based LCD with minimal dimming zones. Not a bad TV but again.... nowhere near what an OLED will do. Check the owners thread for that model. I was considering one but the poor black performance killed it for me.
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Couldn't say much about that LCD, but the unmatched contrast ratio of the OLED will make 3D even more entertaining for you, I suspect.
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Couldn't say much about that LCD, but the unmatched contrast ratio of the OLED will make 3D even more entertaining for you, I suspect.
No doubt that 3D will also be better on the OLED too but at least the UHD series does have the good passive 3D engine. Hell, I know some OLED owners with big 3D movie libraries that bought a UHD series LCD as a backup 3D TV should their OLED die early. . Im not doing that because I have a fairly limited 3D collection but I can see why someone would.
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I have a 1080p OLED as my 3D backup.
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I have a 1080p OLED as my 3D backup.
Oh cool! I'd really love to do it but it's hard to justify. Plus, if I did buy one it would just sit here probably boxed for years since I have nowhere to really put a 65" TV. Ugh! We'll see....maybe if they have a crazy sale on them or I can find a leftover later this year.
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I am looking to use the E6 as my primary and the sony 900a as my backup. I just need to convince my spouse on the purchase. At my age I don't want to wait and see if 3D is offered again. A decrease in the current price would be nice. I don't think my social security will cover the cost. Lol
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No doubt that 3D will also be better on the OLED too but at least the UHD series does have the good passive 3D engine. Hell, I know some OLED owners with big 3D movie libraries that bought a UHD series LCD as a backup 3D TV should their OLED die early. . Im not doing that because I have a fairly limited 3D collection but I can see why someone would.
Not quite, you would need a brighter TV to enjoy 3D, like the Sony Z9D which puts out 1800 Nits where the LG's can't pass 800. I'd go with the Sony Z9D for the best possible 3d out there.
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Not quite, you would need a brighter TV to enjoy 3D, like the Sony Z9D which puts out 1800 Nits where the LG's can't pass 800. I'd go with the Sony Z9D for the best possible 3d out there.
There's no plan for 3D HDR.

SDR 3D are grade at 100 nits....

I'm sure those 3D glasses don't make you lose 600 nits of brightness.
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Not quite, you would need a brighter TV to enjoy 3D, like the Sony Z9D which puts out 1800 Nits where the LG's can't pass 800. I'd go with the Sony Z9D for the best possible 3d out there.
Have you ever seen 3d on an Oled? obviously not lol

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With 3D you will need the brightest possible TV to have the best results, these da facts!!!
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With 3D you will need the brightest possible TV to have the best results, these da facts!!!
Right contrast ratio doesn't matter , lack of crosstalk those are all meaningless got it.

From.Hdtv UKs review of the Z9D 3d:

"Shipping with two pairs of active-shutter glasses (ASG) included, the Sony KD65ZD9 put on an above average tri-dimensional performance. The Bravia TV passed full HD 3D resolution, and displayed 24Hz, 50Hz and 60Hz 3-D material (be it film- or video-based) without judder as long as the correct [Motionflow] setting was selected.
Crosstalk was faint and unobtrusive, and the stereoscopic image looked punchy enough with convincing layers of depth, but our main issue was increased flicker possibly caused by the screen’s higher luminance output… we even tried some third-party glasses which unfortunately didn’t improve things. Sensitivity to flicker is very individual, so your mileage may vary, but LG’s 4K OLED televisions deliver a better and less fatiguing extra-dimensional viewing experience."

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With 3D you will need the brightest possible TV to have the best results, these da facts!!!
No you only need 100 nits to reach your eye.

Usually passive glasses reduce light by 50%.

The OLED do 700 nits. 50% of that is 350.

SDR are grade at 100 nits, so you have a huge margin left.

Again there's no plan for 4K HDR 3D yet.

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Right contrast ratio doesn't matter , lack of crosstalk those are all meaningless got it.

From.Hdtv UKs review of the Z9D 3d:

"Shipping with two pairs of active-shutter glasses (ASG) included, the Sony KD65ZD9 put on an above average tri-dimensional performance. The Bravia TV passed full HD 3D resolution, and displayed 24Hz, 50Hz and 60Hz 3-D material (be it film- or video-based) without judder as long as the correct [Motionflow] setting was selected.
Crosstalk was faint and unobtrusive, and the stereoscopic image looked punchy enough with convincing layers of depth, but our main issue was increased flicker possibly caused by the screen’s higher luminance output… we even tried some third-party glasses which unfortunately didn’t improve things. Sensitivity to flicker is very individual, so your mileage may vary, but LG’s 4K OLED televisions deliver a better and less fatiguing extra-dimensional viewing experience."

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OMG - are the Sony minions trying to say that 3D is now better on the Z9 too? Hilarious. RIGHT.

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OMG - are the Sony minions trying to say that 3D is now better on the Z9 too? Hilarious. RIGHT.

Please. PUHHHLEEEEZE.
I am.sure its pretty good but the nod goes to Oled on SDR and 3d imo

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OMG - are the Sony minions trying to say that 3D is now better on the Z9 too? Hilarious. RIGHT.

Please. PUHHHLEEEEZE.
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I'm glad you're happy with your purchase!
Try playing something where you can turn the motion blur off. Specifically something fast paced and twitchy. Titanfall 2 is a good test. Ironically, so too are any classic games like what you could emulate or play on a NES classic. If you don't see it: congratulations. Honestly, I wish I could unsee it. Actually... DON'T do anything I just said because going looking for things like this is a bad idea. Just enjoy your display.
I think most of us have just gotten used to this. I find that, if you go back to a plasma, or, god forbid, a CRT, you'll be instantly spoiled as a gamer. The lack of blur on fast turns or with screen panning is sublime! You don't appreciate how great it is until you've used sample-and-hold sets for years.

Plasma motion is just better than OLED or LCD, even still, but overall OLED has surpassed even the Kuro or the later Panasonic sets. These sets' claim to fame was contrast ratio, and OLED beats them there hands-down.
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I think most of us have just gotten used to this. I find that, if you go back to a plasma, or, god forbid, a CRT, you'll be instantly spoiled as a gamer. The lack of blur on fast turns or with screen panning is sublime! You don't appreciate how great it is until you've used sample-and-hold sets for years.

Plasma motion is just better than OLED or LCD, even still, but overall OLED has surpassed even the Kuro or the later Panasonic sets. These sets' claim to fame was contrast ratio, and OLED beats them there hands-down.
Up until last Friday I was gaming on my Panasonic ZT60 and thought it was the best ever. I seriously can't tell the difference gaming on the ZT60 or the B6. I think OLED is finally catching up.

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Up until last Friday I was gaming on my Panasonic ZT60 and thought it was the best ever. I seriously can't tell the difference gaming on the ZT60 or the B6. I think OLED is finally catching up.
A big part is User sensitivity. Coming from a F8500 can definitely notice the increased blur though I find it negligible. Games I play on the Plasma & OLED are all 3rd person/Casual Games. If anything else, I like the blur much better for games stuck at 30 FPS.

All FPS/competitive games are delegated to the BenQ with Blur Reduction
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Oh cool! I'd really love to do it but it's hard to justify. Plus, if I did buy one it would just sit here probably boxed for years since I have nowhere to really put a 65" TV. Ugh! We'll see....maybe if they have a crazy sale on them or I can find a leftover later this year.
Well, it's only 55" in a side room, a considerable downgrade from a 4K 65" panel to be fair.
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A ratio increases when either its numerator is increased or its denominator is decreased.
To achieve " infinite brightness " what is more likely to happen sooner?
The numerator approaching infinity (brightness ) or the denominator approaching 0 (blackness) ?
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Earlier I saw some black level and dynamic range measurements quoted. I am curious if these are made with local Dimming on or off on LCD displays like the 940D?

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It is all opinion, you guys need to agree to disagree.

OLED is great in some ways but they have flaws also: Motion for one.

LCD is Bright and satisfies most but also has flaws: Viewing angle

Just a few examples, at the end of the day buy what you want enjoy it and don't worry what others say.

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