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But the surprise was the fact that not only does the Sony A1 OLED fail to perform significantly better as compared with the LG OLEDs, but in fact in reality it actually performs worse than both the LG and PANASONIC OLED TVs in more ways than one! Sorry Al!
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Not in my home.. "calibrators" want to tinker with the A1E gray scale according to patterns and don't know how the CMS is tied to the picture controls and totally muck up the A1E X1E processing capability on the OLED display.. that's everyone else issue who want to keep living with 2006 calibration methods..

Every time I go to Magnolia, enter my settings, the A1E blows everything else away and someone ends up buying one...

I'm good..

Again.. people want to buy the AMG S65 of TV and judge it based on a "Driving Ms. Daisy" 20MPH with other TVs with only a 1/2 of the full capabilities.. is a con hustle I won't buy...
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Not in my home.. "calibrators" want to tinker with the A1E gray scale according to patterns and don't know how the CMS is tied to the picture controls and totally muck up the A1E X1E processing capability on the OLED display.. that's everyone else issue who want to keep living with 2006 calibration methods..

Every time I go to Magnolia, enter my settings, the A1E blows everything else away and someone ends up buying one...

I'm good..

Again.. people want to buy the AMG S65 of TV and judge it based on a "Driving Ms. Daisy" 20MPH with other TVs with only a 1/2 of the full capabilities.. is a con hustle I won't buy...
I will stick with my modded Vette over a AMG. But hope to know how the A1 compares to my 60vt60 soon.

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But the surprise was the fact that not only does the Sony A1 OLED fail to perform significantly better as compared with the LG OLEDs, but in fact in reality it actually performs worse than both the LG and PANASONIC OLED TVs in more ways than one! Sorry Al!

...In fact, I'm so impressed by the 2017 LG OLEDs that we are going to buy a bunch of the LG OLED TVs and showcase them in our shiny new demonstration centre, one of which may very well end up in my living room!
You must be joking. The processing on the 2017 LG's is mediocre at best. It was intolerable on 2016's, and now it is barely tolerable. The posterization/false contouring is off the charts bad on the LG compared to Sony. I see it all the time when watching cable/compressed streams, and it is distracting. More obvious macroblocking as well with compressed content.

The motion artifacts are much worse on the LG compared to Sony, and if you turn TruMotion off, it is blurry, resolving only 300 lines. I cannot tolerate the blur. So with sample and hold tech it is necessary to have good motion processing, and everyone knows Sony is better.

The notion that the Sony OLED fails to perform significantly better as compared with the LG OLEDs in certain categories is just plain wrong. The Sony is significantly better at processing and motion.

That is the cold hard truth, and most A1E owners (as well as Z9D owners) can easily see the tangible differences in processing and motion.
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You must be joking. The processing on the 2017 LG's is mediocre at best. It was intolerable on 2016's, and now it is barely tolerable. The posterization/false contouring is off the charts bad on the LG compared to Sony. I see it all the time when watching cable/compressed streams, and it is distracting. More obvious macroblocking as well with compressed content.

The motion artifacts are much worse on the LG compared to Sony, and if you turn TruMotion off, it is blurry, resolving only 300 lines. I cannot tolerate the blur. So with sample and hold tech it is necessary to have good motion processing, and everyone knows Sony is better.

The notion that the Sony OLED fails to perform significantly better as compared with the LG OLEDs in certain categories is just plain wrong. The Sony is significantly better at processing and motion.

That is the cold hard truth, and most A1E owners (as well as Z9D owners) can easily see the tangible differences in processing and motion.
Go and read what I actually said...

Here's a clue... It wasn't this: "the Sony A1 OLED performs worse than both the LG and PANASONIC OLED TVs in absolutely every single way"


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No way to bypass ABL.



Only ABSL can be bypassed (in the Service Menu).


I have noticed that ABL does not engage while using "hdr effect" mode but not sure what peak brightness is on full white screen. Obviously it's not 700+ nits. Looks to be around 2 or 300 nits.


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I watched the HTG YouTube discussion as per link below.

When Mark asked why LG won the Streaming criteria I could not understand the answer from Matt. Can anyone explain the answer please in basic terms.
Question asked 1:03:30 into the YouTube video.

For streaming should the evaluation not be based on what you can see on the tv, without comparing to the sony mastering monitor, because the mastering monitor is not built for Streaming content?

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