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It is FLAGSHIPS from major brands. If you have a Vizio R, why would you let the P go?
Even lots of posters here wanted the P series instead of the R series last year. It is Vizio pushing and posters complaining last year that influenced decision to let Vizio P participate this year.
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So after reading the forums and having some suggest the Sony OLED is better than the LG, it appears when calibrated, they are on par? In which case it comes down to interface and I will admit, the android OS in the Sony can be frustratingly laggy at times. My older LG OLED is much more responsive. Thankfully the picture quality helps relieve some of the frustration.

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I'd be curious to see if limiting the LCD TV's output to OLED peak luminance levels (i.e. under 1000 nits) would produce an image that subjectively looks better. I've found that to be the case in the past and kinda feel that dual HDR presets/calibrations (Day and Night) are justified.

In a dark room, the issues that typically come up are in the shadows. By reducing peak luminance to about half of what the Z9D or Q9F are capable of, you keep the LED backlight from going full-blast when it has to deal with a bright object over a dark background. Taking this approach, you can reduce some of the artifacts—like halos and blooming—that are undeniably distractions when watching HDR on an LCD in a dark room.

Another comment I have about the shootout is I wish the TVs were mounted up higher. The tables they rest upon are fine if you are sitting, but to properly evaluate the TVs you have to stand up and walk around. And when you are standing, you are looking down at the TVs. You have to squat or kneel to get a proper look at each TV. For OLEDs, not such a big deal because the technology is very good when it comes to off-axis performance. But, LCDs lose contrast and saturation when you are looking down at the screen. Anyhow, that's just a logistical issue with the space and not anything the show organizers have control over. The available tables are what they are. But, I discussed it with Kevin and Joel and they did agree it would be ideal to have the TV's up higher for the sake of making a proper comparison.
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What time does it start back today? Will it get streamed?

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Even lots of posters here wanted the P series instead of the R series last year. It is Vizio pushing and posters complaining last year that influenced decision to let Vizio P participate this year.
The interesting thing about the 2017 Vizio P Series is the fact that it's the same hardware as last year's model. Anyhow, Vizio clearly put effort into creating better FALD algorithms and it has apparently paid off in what is typically described as noticeably superior performance.

In the end, it will be interesting to see how the Vizio scores compared to the OLEDs, and then revisit last year's results and see how the Reference scored versus the 2016 LG OLED. That should provide a bit of insight into whether the P is actually the better TV or not.

Certainly, what the Vizio P-series has going for it is price, and that's especially true at 75".

Anyhow, IMO, I'd rather see a shootout that tries to find the best-performing TV. And while often that is synonymous with the TV being a flagship model, if there's a situation where that's not the case then I think the better performer is the one that should compete. Now, again, I don't know for sure if the P beats a reference, but if there's a chance that putting effort into improving the way the P-series handles FALD makes it the better TV, then it's the one I want to see int he competition.

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What time does it start back today? Will it get streamed?
Show opened at 9, not sure when the day 2 event actually starts. No idea on whether it will stream today.

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sorry if I'm late to the game. Are they testing any 60p content for motion? I'm thinking of a device such as the AppleTV 4 where 24p content is output at 60p. Or even an HTPC at 60p (not gaming 60p but movies/TV at 60p).

My LG B6 struggles if I can't set the display to match the framerate which I why I need to run OpenPHT (which allows match display framerate to content frame rate) vs Plex or netflix.

Moreover, are netflix and other streaming services being tested as it seems the way things are going.

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So after reading the forums and having some suggest the Sony OLED is better than the LG, it appears when calibrated, they are on par? In which case it comes down to interface and I will admit, the android OS in the Sony can be frustratingly laggy at times. My older LG OLED is much more responsive. Thankfully the picture quality helps relieve some of the frustration.
Ive researched them at length, and I dont think the shootout will change what appears to be a consensus:

LG
Great cal control;
Cheaper
Better tone mapping (depending on preference;See Vincent Teoh's youtube video on C7 vs A1E)
Better app system; matters for streaming, etc...

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Better motion
better handling of poor sources
Better tone mapping (see above)
Their feature that turns static HDR into Dynamic seems to be well liked

Neither is a bad choice IMO. Cost is something that may sway folks, plus the kickstand doesn't work for everyone. Motion and video processing may also make someone want the Sony.
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sorry if I'm late to the game. Are they testing any 60p content for motion? I'm thinking of a device such as the AppleTV 4 where 24p content is output at 60p. Or even an HTPC at 60p (not gaming 60p but movies/TV at 60p).

My LG B6 struggles if I can't set the display to match the framerate which I why I need to run OpenPHT (which allows match display framerate to content frame rate) vs Plex or netflix.

Moreover, are netflix and other streaming services being tested as it seems the way things are going.
Yes, one of the three categories in the shootout is streaming performance.

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Not a livestream, but Robert posted a video on Facebook. Looks like it was a partial livestream from someone's phone this morning: https://www.facebook.com/ValueElectr...type=3&theater
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So after reading the forums and having some suggest the Sony OLED is better than the LG, it appears when calibrated, they are on par? In which case it comes down to interface and I will admit, the android OS in the Sony can be frustratingly laggy at times. My older LG OLED is much more responsive. Thankfully the picture quality helps relieve some of the frustration.
When calibrated the LG OLED can be a first choice, the A1 is the alternate if one feels the extra features are worth it.. PQ wise they both are above all other options.. reaffirmed as I sit here now on day 2.
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I'm tied to my mobile for the next few days so can't type out much.. but I will tell you that the calibrated E7 and A1 are the 2 TVs that matched the grading monitor reference.. nothing else came close...

The Reference monitor showed a frame from Planet Earth II with a slight "source banding" in the sky.. the E7 made the banding worse and the A1 low gradation totally removed it (like magic).
Very interesting! Specifically with respect to matching the grading monitor reference is that the general consensus being expressed by everyone there, or just your own opinion at the present time?

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Yes, one of the three categories in the shootout is streaming performance.
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When they are doing some test streaming/YouTube yesterday (early lunch period). The Sony had separate Video modes for the Apps (Youtube) and Netflix, but one reverted to Standard instead of the Cinema Pro. One member noticed it and it was fixed. However, if you get a chance remind them to double check the setting on the YouTube and then on the Netflix before they use the two apps on both Sony TV's.

I had a blast yesterday going to my first Shootout. Wish I could have stayed later. I wanted to ask some questions on which modes were better for calibrations and tone mapping ( home or pro) etc.
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Not a livestream, but Robert posted a video on Facebook. Looks like it was a partial livestream from someone's phone this morning: https://www.facebook.com/ValueElectr...type=3&theater
Just watched this.
Interesting data shared in the Facebook video regarding tested Contrast Ratios of each TV...

LG E7: 77,000 : 1
Sony A1: 44,000 : 1
Sony Z9: 13,000 : 1
Samsung: 3,500: 1
Vizio: 10,000 : 1
Westinghouse: 4,900 : 1

I believe all of the above were Checkerboard, HDR readings.
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I'd be curious to see if limiting the LCD TV's output to OLED peak luminance levels (i.e. under 1000 nits) would produce an image that subjectively looks better. I've found that to be the case in the past and kinda feel that dual HDR presets/calibrations (Day and Night) are justified... In a dark room, the issues that typically come up are in the shadows. By reducing peak luminance to about half of what the Z9D or Q9F are capable of, you keep the LED backlight from going full-blast when it has to deal with a bright object over a dark background. Taking this approach, you can reduce some of the artifacts—like halos and blooming—that are undeniably distractions when watching HDR on an LCD in a dark room.
Absolutely agree with that you say here. We ourselves have also found that the way to minimize the halos and blooming to which you refer is to install the ZD9/Z9D into a dark room and then to properly calibrate it as such... In short, as you yourself clearly already know, if you are experiencing significant halos and blooming within such an environment then the TV hasn't been calibrated according to THX and ISF guidelines and you'd be best advised to reduce the luminance level accordingly. This will significantly improve said halos and blooming. Excellent point sir!
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Just watched this.
Interesting data shared in the Facebook video regarding tested Contrast Ratios of each TV...

LG E7: 77,000 : 1
Sony A1: 44,000 : 1
Sony Z9: 13,000 : 1
Samsung: 3,500: 1
Vizio: 10,000 : 1
Westinghouse: 4,900 : 1

I believe all of the above were Checkerboard, HDR readings.
Very nice, checkerboard is all I care about when it comes to that measurement.

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Ok guys.. there was a bit of a miss yesterday that has been corrected in terms of someone having reminded that the Z9 looked better from their standing position 20 feet away, dead center... 1 bit of off axis of the Z9 dramatically alters its PQ.. but having adjusted the Z9 viewing position... here is my unbiased prediction on the results today with these configurations and comparison points..

1) E7 (it's 1:1 matching the grading reference)
2) Z9D (also 1:1 matching the grading monitor but slightly not as close as the E7 and slight blooming on bright-on-black bg content)
3) A1E
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In answer to blooming and haloing...

Z9 left.. Q9 right.

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Absolutely agree with that you say here. We ourselves have also found that the way to minimize the halos and blooming to which you refer is to install the ZD9/Z9D into a dark room and then to properly calibrate it as such... In short, as you yourself clearly already know, if you are experiencing significant halos and blooming within such an environment then the TV hasn't been calibrated according to THX and ISF guidelines and you'd be best advised to reduce the luminance level accordingly. This will significantly improve said halos and blooming. Excellent point sir!
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A lot of people are drawn to led tv's for their peak nit output. If your going to reduce luminance to minimize the bloom and halos It would have been better to just have bought the oled to begin with. Imo.
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In answer to blooming and haloing...

Z9 left.. Q9 right.

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In answer to blooming and haloing...

Z9 left.. Q9 right.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8...m9CUnBWY3NQY1E
Yes, the Q9 showing a big white square in the middle of a black field reveals the Achilles heel of edgelit.

Z9D's FALD is very well equipped to deal with that.

But viewed head on with a screen full of smaller objects—requiring the Z9D to illuminate the whole array, presumably, is where I saw some flip-flop.

But sure, this is gonna happen every time with an edgelit transmissive display, it's unavoidable. Oh well, too bad Samsung did not do a FALD for 2017, to satisfy the LCD-loving hardcore videophiles out there (they exist).

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A lot of people are drawn to led tv's for their peak nit output. If your going to reduce luminance to minimize the bloom and halos It would have been better to just have bought the oled to begin with. Imo.
Maybe you want a 75" TV & the Z9D (or X940E) pricing looks appealing.

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Ok guys.. there was a bit of a miss yesterday that has been corrected in terms of someone having reminded that the Z9 looked better from their standing position 20 feet away, dead center... 1 bit of off axis of the Z9 dramatically alters its PQ.. but having adjusted the Z9 viewing position... here is my unbiased prediction on the results today with these configurations and comparison points..

1) E7 (it's 1:1 matching the grading reference)
2) Z9D (also 1:1 matching the grading monitor but slightly not as close as the E7 and slight blooming on bright-on-black bg content)
3) A1E


So Al your saying the E7 is better than the A1E?

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Maybe you want a 75" TV & the Z9D (or X940E) pricing looks appealing.
You had mentioned having a day/night calibration to reduce haloing and blooming. Is this something you can adjust with out equipment? I am in the 75" market and price wise I can't justify the price of the 77" AE1 (The sound bar is a total turn off for me on the LG). It would be nice if they offered a 77" C7 instead.


I have the ability to adjust ambient lighting, but coming from a plasma then to an Oled I like a nice blacked out room. For night time viewing adjusting the Z9D to about half still has a brightness level higher than the OLEDs.
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