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2017 LG OLED TV Improvements

The 2017 LG OLED TVs have been improved in several important ways, and the company demonstrated these improvements in an extensive briefing.

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Meh totally not worth the extra over the discounted 2016 models right now. No 3D. Marginal brightness increase and some OS improvements.

This reads like an advertisement for LG. AVF selling out?
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it's unfortunate, but I think the best part of the 2017's is they finally have a tv with a 'cool factor' that will attract people with enough money to support and promote the development of this technology.

oled has been supported by enthusiasts, but not so much by the people with more money than brains. that paper thin, hang on the wall with magnets flagship could change that. wouldn't be surprised to see a few of those turn up on cribs.

and this will hopefully mark a bit of a turning point. now there's a reason other than picture quality to support oled. fingers crossed, anyway
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Extremely interesting, thank you very much !!

When is the C7 coming out ? Did they say ?
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Glad to see LG continues to improve their OLED's. One thing that did catch my eye was the comparison with gamma 2.4 and the Bond movie. Both using cinema default mode, which has a brightness at 50. On the 2017 model, 17 and 18 were visible, but on the 2016 model, 18 was not. I own the 2016 E6, and raising brightness to 51 will make 18 visible with no loss in deep blacks. I can then raise 5 IRE luminance to around +9 and 17 becomes visible and still maintain perfect blacks. So there is a way to bring out the near black detail with the 2016 models. However, I am glad to see those types of tweaks are not needed on the 2017 models, where I assume the 2.4 gamma is correct. With the 2016 models, in order to get that detail in the near blacks, you have to lower gamma closer to 1.9 at 5%.

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Great preview.. Good to know about the atmos aver ARC.. The only other option I would want is HDR10 dynamic metadata..

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Nicely done! Thanks Scott.

The green tint would no doubt have bothered me on the 2016 model, I seem to be sensitive to it.

Looking foreword to your review.

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I don't understand the soundbar...can't people with dedicated speakers just disable it?...doesn't it act pretty much the same as onboard speakers, which can be enabled/disabled?
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I don't understand the soundbar...can't people with dedicated speakers just disable it?...doesn't it act pretty much the same as onboard speakers, which can be enabled/disabled?
You can disable the soundbar. Just set audio to external.

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Meh totally not worth the extra over the discounted 2016 models right now. No 3D. Marginal brightness increase and some OS improvements.

This reads like an advertisement for LG. AVF selling out?
IMO, the brightness increase is more than marginal. Also, coming out of black is significantly better, and the greenish color cast is gone. These points make the 2017 models worth the extra dough for me. I don't care about the lack of 3D, but if you do, that should factor into any buying decision.

This is absolutely NOT an advertisement for LG; I'm only reporting what I learned and saw for myself. As you'll read in my review of the W7, things aren't perfect, despite the fact that LG uses that word rather liberally. I can assure you that AVS Forum is NOT selling out to LG or anyone else!
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Nicely done! Thanks Scott.

The green tint would no doubt have bothered me on the 2016 model, I seem to be sensitive to it.

Looking foreword to your review.

Cheers,
Luckily, not all of the 2016 E6's have the green tint. Mine doesn't. Now the off axis color shift is a different animal. I doubt they fixed that with the 2017. That just seems to be an inherent issue with OLED in general.
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Extremely interesting, thank you very much !!

When is the C7 coming out ? Did they say ?
As I wrote here, the 55C7 should be out now, and the 65C7 should ship this month.
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You can disable the soundbar. Just set audio to external.

then what was the point regarding buying a W7 with an outboard processor/input box instead of the soundbar
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then what was the point regarding buying a W7 with an outboard processor/input box instead of the soundbar
I apologize I got mixed up with the E7 that was reviewed in this thread. Not sure about the W7.

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I don't understand the soundbar...can't people with dedicated speakers just disable it?...doesn't it act pretty much the same as onboard speakers, which can be enabled/disabled?
Yes, it can be disabled, at least by turning the volume all the way down. But with the W7, it's still a very large object that is not easily hidden; I would much prefer a smaller box that can be easily hidden.
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Meh totally not worth the extra over the discounted 2016 models right now. No 3D. Marginal brightness increase and some OS improvements.

This reads like an advertisement for LG. AVF selling out?
Pretty rude and totally uncalled for. He pretty much addressed everything people were complaining about from last years models as that was what people were asking him to do. He stated areas where improvements were made. Sounds like a reasonable thing to do. He even chided them for stating the previous years were "perfect."

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the TV sounds fantastic from a picture quality standpoint...but the fake Atmos soundbar is silly...I applaud LG for trying but you can't sell a premium LG OLED and then add fake Atmos to it...I want a 2017 LG but I'm also considering a 2016 LG OLED depending on how much they drop in price
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IMO, the brightness increase is more than marginal. Also, coming out of black is significantly better, and the greenish color cast is gone. These points make the 2017 models worth the extra dough for me. I don't care about the lack of 3D, but if you do, that should factor into any buying decision.

This is absolutely NOT an advertisement for LG; I'm only reporting what I learned and saw for myself. As you'll read in my review of the W7, things aren't perfect, despite the fact that LG uses that word rather liberally. I can assure you that AVS Forum is NOT selling out to LG or anyone else!
I know paying the early adopter tax is always pretty steep but 2x the price seems like a lot for more brightness and slightly better shadow detail/uniformity (55 C7 is $3k on Amazon and C6 has been $1.4k from legit dealers)

Don't you think LG decreasing the MSRP by a significant margin ($500-1,000) would have had a much greater impact on OLED's viability than a few checkmarks on a stat sheet and quality improvements that will only appeal to enthusiasts with the proper viewing conditions?
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Thanks for these impressions.

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LG had a Leo Bodnar input-lag tester on hand, which was used with an HD Fury on the E6 and E7 in their Game mode. The E6 measured between 32 and 33 ms, while the E7 measured between 21 and 22 ms in the center patch of the test pattern.
Very nice, about 1 frame of lag at 60 Hz. LG OLEDs are IMO the best display for gamers with the 2016 models, but the gap will be even greater in 2017. Unless you play only games with full-time static elements on-screen all the time (MMOs, maybe fighters) I probably wouldn't consider LCD this year unless you're spending under $2k.
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Thanks for the write-up Scott. I appreciate your evaluation, and look forward to your upcoming review. Hopefully you will offer some observations about any differences in motion handling vs. the 2016s.
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So it sounds like they are good improvements over the 2016s but I still can't say it's worth the large sum of money over current OLED end of the year prices. Hope OLEDs fair well in this years shootout to keep pushing the tech forward.
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'Yes. Among the 2016 models, the C6 and E6 had the same processor, while the B6 and G6 each had different processors. In 2017, all models have the same processor.'

Correct me if i'm wrong but didnt the E6 have a better processor/chip than the C6 and B6?
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'Yes. Among the 2016 models, the C6 and E6 had the same processor, while the B6 and G6 each had different processors. In 2017, all models have the same processor.'

Correct me if i'm wrong but didnt the E6 have a better processor/chip than the C6 and B6?
C, E and G all have the same chip.
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So it sounds like they are good improvements over the 2016s but I still can't say it's worth the large sum of money over current OLED end of the year prices. Hope OLEDs fair well in this years shootout to keep pushing the tech forward.
Maybe it's me but isn't it every year that a product has prices jacked up on initial arrival and then heavily discounted by the end of the year? I would assume that by the end of this year prices will be cheaper than 2016 year end pricing.
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C, E and G all have the same chip.
From Steve Withers: The incremental differences in picture performance between models is a result of the different SoC implementations being used. The E6 and G6 models have a more sophisticated SoC implementation because of differences like the built-in soundbar and the engineers have taken advantage of this to achieve a slightly better picture quality performance.

From HDTVTEST: Contrary to popular perception, there'll be difference in image quality (albeit subtle) of C6 vs B6 vs E6 vs G6. Different SoC, LG said.
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'Yes. Among the 2016 models, the C6 and E6 had the same processor, while the B6 and G6 each had different processors. In 2017, all models have the same processor.'

Correct me if i'm wrong but didnt the E6 have a better processor/chip than the C6 and B6?
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C, E and G all have the same chip.
According to more than one LG spokesperson at the event, the B6 had one processor, the G6 had another, and the C6 and E6 had a third processor. I'm just reporting what LG reps told me in no uncertain terms. I don't know which was "better" than another.
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"...No; the processing and other electronics as well as all the inputs are integrated into the W7’s soundbar. I made it clear that this is a strong deterrent to many people willing to pay $8000 for a 65″ TV, because they are likely to have a separate sound system and won’t want a big soundbar as well. I was told that LG is considering making a smaller electronics box as an option for the W7, but I got the impression this probably won’t be available until next year at the earliest..."


An outboard box has other advantages: may make repairs easier, reduce cable lengths, and finally, it can incorporate the cable set top box to reduce clutter.
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So LG didn't fix the CMS which didn't work properly on the 2016's? Too bad.
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Even for someone not looking to buy OLED currently, like me, this was another a fascinating, informative article. Terrific as usual Scott. Thanks!
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According to more than one LG spokesperson at the event, the B6 had one processor, the G6 had another, and the C6 and E6 had a third processor. I'm just reporting what LG reps told me in no uncertain terms. I don't know which was "better" than another.
Thanks. But atleast everything is the same this year except design. Cant wait until the C7 gets reviewed.
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