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looks like every year we're going to get another 'best TV ever' OLED from LG and maybe Sony...unlike plasma sets which were always in danger of going away the urgency to buy was more immediate...I do wonder if LG and the other manufacturers that dropped 3D support will ever consider putting it back for the next years models...or once its dropped is it dropped permanently...3D doesn't seem to be going away as far as movies and with Cameron's Avatar sequels coming soon I'm sure interest in 3D will spike upward for a bit


Well of course there's always going to be another best TV ever year... That's how technology works. The only exception of course is the Pioneer Kuro that was the best TV in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 AND 2012.


Since LG is currently the only ones producing OLED its highly likely that the best TV ever will be manufactured by LG, or using a panel made by LG. Personally I think the top 3 TVs of 2017 will be:

1. Sony A1
2. Panasonic EZ1000
3. LG W7/E7/G7/C7/B7


4 and 5 being reserved for Samsung Q9 or a Sony ZE9 / X94E perhaps.
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http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/w7-e7-201703114438.htm


Confirmed: LG W7 & E7 OLEDs are the best TVs on the market today. I'm pretty they'll hold that title until the Sony A1 and Panasonic EZ1000 OLEDs are reviewed.


But reading the analysis and measurements from HDTVTest its mind boggling how good the display is... Hard to imagine better PQ.

Although the ≈ 700 nits of brightness have a long way to go for HDR... Hopefully A1/EZ1000 can do at least 800?
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I just read that review as well, it's nice to see that they improved upscaling.
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As Vincent Teoh has stated thatthe 2016 panels and 2017 panels are the same panel, and others have suggested that the SOC is also the same, what exactly is the visual differentiator between the 2016 and 2017 models other than software?

I'm disappointed that the motion has not been improved upon at all.
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Well of course there's always going to be another best TV ever year... That's how technology works. The only exception of course is the Pioneer Kuro that was the best TV in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 AND 2012

no that wasn't always the case...the Pioneer Kuros were the best TV's for many years even after newer models came out...the Panasonic plasmas got better every year but not until the final models (2013?) did they maybe beat the Kuro picture quality and even that's debatable...but now with the OLED's we are getting new reference picture quality screens every year it seems
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no that wasn't always the case...the Pioneer Kuros were the best TV's for many years even after newer models came out...the Panasonic plasmas got better every year but not until the final models (2013?) did they maybe beat the Kuro picture quality and even that's debatable...but now with the OLED's we are getting new reference picture quality screens every year it seems
You literally just repeated EXACTLY what I said.
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As Vincent Teoh has stated thatthe 2016 panels and 2017 panels are the same panel, and others have suggested that the SOC is also the same, what exactly is the visual differentiator between the 2016 and 2017 models other than software?
This is a misunderstanding. The 2017 models all have the same panel and the same SoC which is different than the SoC of the 2016 models...
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This is a misunderstanding. The 2017 models all have the same panel and the same SoC which is different than the SoC of the 2016 models...
So same panel as 2016 but better SOC. That's re-assuring. Not that I doubt you but do you have a source on that?
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You literally just repeated EXACTLY what I said.

yes but you said "Well of course there's always going to be another best TV ever year... That's how technology works"...you can't say that's the way it usually works and then say the Kuro lasted for over a decade as the premiere reference TV...technology is always improving but that doesn't automatically mean that next year's LG or Sony OLED will beat this years...the Panasonic plasmas were not always better year-after-year...they suffered from floating blacks, worsening black levels over time etc...Pioneer left the Kuro business because it wasn't benefiting them enough in terms of profit margins...who's to say that OLED won't suffer the same fate as plasma...plasma was the reference format over LCD/LED yet the mass market rejected it...so next year is not guaranteed was my point
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I think he only mentioned half a decade of reference presentation for the Kuro (over a decade would be, what, 2019? ). Plasma faced much more opposition with stiffening energy standards combined with increasing brightness requirements. OLED is more equipped to take on LCD in this realm, plus the R&D continues in the mobile arena, which should provide some carryover benefits as breakthroughs warrant. Plasma just reached its EOL in the face of unfortunate externalities and didn't present as well in showrooms.
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The LG W7 OLED TV is stunning in design and performance. With only a couple of drawbacks, I found it to be the finest flat panel I've seen to date.

https://www.avsforum.com/lg-w7-oled-tv-hands-on/
Thanks Scott. Great review. I tune in to Leo every Saturday to hear your inputs and watch when you sub for the commercials
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yes but you said "Well of course there's always going to be another best TV ever year... That's how technology works"...you can't say that's the way it usually works and then say the Kuro lasted for over a decade as the premiere reference TV...technology is always improving but that doesn't automatically mean that next year's LG or Sony OLED will beat this years...the Panasonic plasmas were not always better year-after-year...they suffered from floating blacks, worsening black levels over time etc...Pioneer left the Kuro business because it wasn't benefiting them enough in terms of profit margins...who's to say that OLED won't suffer the same fate as plasma...plasma was the reference format over LCD/LED yet the mass market rejected it...so next year is not guaranteed was my point
Well smartphones get better every single year
graphics cards, processors etc (computers in general) get better every single year

Digital technology in general... Moore's Law states double the power/speed/efficiency every two years if its using transistor technology.


the KURO is a product of legend and a true exception to this rule. I believe we won't ever see a TV like this again, no TV, be it it QLED or OLED from Sony, LG, Panasonic or Samsung will be the best TV in the world five years straight. Unless Sony goes out and releases a million dollar CLEDIS TV or something but lets be real
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So same panel as 2016 but better SOC. That's re-assuring. Not that I doubt you but do you have a source on that?
Don't be lazy and read the threads please. It was stated in various interviews but you can also find the chipset in the review of hdtvtest.co.uk or at displayspecifications.com...

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/uhdt...7V/w7-chip.jpg
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As Vincent Teoh has stated thatthe 2016 panels and 2017 panels are the same panel, and others have suggested that the SOC is also the same, what exactly is the visual differentiator between the 2016 and 2017 models other than software?

I'm disappointed that the motion has not been improved upon at all.
This is incorrect. 2017 panels are new and different from 2016 panels.




Philips' 2017 OLED uses 6 series LG panels from 2016
Panasonic EZ1000 and Sony A1 OLED will use 7 series LG panels from 2017
ALL LG OLEDs from 2017 will have the new 7 series panel & SoC from the B7 to the W7.


From HDTVtest, it appears the 7 series have marginally improved colour, slightly higher brightness and MUCH better near-black rendering. Did anyone honestly expect more than that? W7 seems to have near-perfect SDR image, with motion being the only aspect to be improved, but I guess that's what the W8/G8/E8 will do for 2018...
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This is incorrect. 2017 panels are new and different from 2016 panels.




Philips' 2017 OLED uses 6 series LG panels from 2016
Panasonic EZ1000 and Sony A1 OLED will use 7 series LG panels from 2017
ALL LG OLEDs from 2017 will have the new 7 series panel & SoC from the B7 to the W7.


From HDTVtest, it appears the 7 series have marginally improved colour, slightly higher brightness and MUCH better near-black rendering. Did anyone honestly expect more than that? W7 seems to have near-perfect SDR image, with motion being the only aspect to be improved, but I guess that's what the W8/G8/E8 will do for 2018...
These are fantastic sets, and at this point it seems like brightness and color space is going to be the next frontier. Blacks have been solved to a great extent, but getting to rec. 2020 color and having higher brightness is where some great strides can be made.

The incorporation of quantum dots with emissive displays may be the next frontier.

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Problem with this company is they OWN you and your browsing and watching if you buy one of their TVs. My 2014 47LM7600 has been relegated to my bedroom, but if I want to change from cable to my ROKU input, EVERY TIME now I have to go though their "acceptance process" and agree to their service agreement, agree to their privacy policy...and, well, something else. If I don't go through these three screens EVERY TIME, I can't change inputs. Crippled TV. LG's software and hardware is purely criminal, and would recommend you keep miles away.
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Problem with this company is they OWN you and your browsing and watching if you buy one of their TVs. My 2014 47LM7600 has been relegated to my bedroom, but if I want to change from cable to my ROKU input, EVERY TIME now I have to go though their "acceptance process" and agree to their service agreement, agree to their privacy policy...and, well, something else. If I don't go through these three screens EVERY TIME, I can't change inputs. Crippled TV. LG's software and hardware is purely criminal, and would recommend you keep miles away.

I have two LG TVs and haven't experienced anything like that. Sounds like a bug with your specific tv.


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Okay, just wanted to say I still have my favorite print editions of stereophile guide to home theater, and , The Perfect Vision, as well as saved copies of articles from Ultimate AV... I CANT BELIEVE we're getting such stellar quality reviews free of cost....

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The LG W7 OLED TV is stunning in design and performance. With only a couple of drawbacks, I found it to be the finest flat panel I've seen to date.

https://www.avsforum.com/lg-w7-oled-tv-hands-on/

Scott, was this guy from at the LG event last week (see the You tube video link below)?
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ole...l#post51512145


I'm quite interested in getting an update to the 2016 OLED's, did you get any contacts from LG we could forward the ABL petition to ? https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ole...l#post49365777


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For Bay Area people.
Best Buy in San Carlos tells me that they now have a W7 in the Magnolia section up and running , with a mirror behind to see the back of the panel.
And I am out of town.
Has anyone seen this?
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For Bay Area people.
Best Buy in San Carlos tells me that they now have a W7 in the Magnolia section up and running , with a mirror behind to see the back of the panel.
And I am out of town.
Has anyone seen this?
The mirror is a nice touch but the Magnolia in Best Buy in Woodland Hills CA has the W7 also, don't think they have a mirror, I'll have to double check.

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Anybody have definitive information on exactly how long the connection cable is? I've looked at the W7 manual and it shows the cable, and the extension cable, but no information on the lengths of either.
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Anybody have definitive information on exactly how long the connection cable is? I've looked at the W7 manual and it shows the cable, and the extension cable, but no information on the lengths of either.
The extension cable is 6 feet.

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The extension cable is 6 feet.
Can you purchase two extension cables and connect them together? Wouldn't see why not. I'm looking to hide the sound bar in an AV cabinet off to the side.
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Can you purchase two extension cables and connect them together? Wouldn't see why not. I'm looking to hide the sound bar in an AV cabinet off to the side.
I think the main cable is about 3 feet so I believe you have about 9 feet of cable to play with. About getting another extension cable? I have no idea. That's something that you will need to call LG about.

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You literally just repeated EXACTLY what I said.
As a third party, I suggest that you learn what "literally" means.
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looks like every year we're going to get another 'best TV ever' OLED from LG and maybe Sony...unlike plasma sets which were always in danger of going away the urgency to buy was more immediate...I do wonder if LG and the other manufacturers that dropped 3D support will ever consider putting it back for the next years models...or once its dropped is it dropped permanently...3D doesn't seem to be going away as far as movies and with Cameron's Avatar sequels coming soon I'm sure interest in 3D will spike upward for a bit
I sure hope they will add 3D back. I finally pulled the trigger on a 2016 model so that I could get the 3D. I have a large collection of discs I have been building up for many years without a 3D TV. It was only when we got 4k passive that I feel there was a solution that wasn't full of compromises. Adding OLED into that makes it even better.

It can't cost them much, and I really feel if people are exposed to a well working 3D solution they will really like it. That has certainly been true with the people I've shown my E6 to so far... they are captivated by it.

The other side the strangling of 3D is of course them forcing you to choose 3D or 4K when you buy the disc and not having an "ultimate" edition with both. After having seen the amazing 3D my set produces, I am going 3D in most cases.

I just hope that by the time I am ready for my next set I will be able to get a 3D model.
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Sony is the only studio not making you choose (the latest example being Passengers).
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Since LG is currently the only ones producing OLED its highly likely that the best TV ever will be manufactured by LG, or using a panel made by LG. Personally I think the top 3 TVs of 2017 will be:

1. Sony A1
2. Panasonic EZ1000
3. LG W7/E7/G7/C7/B7
Probably correct, we will see if the Panasonic OLED is released in the US.
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Sony is the only studio not making you choose (the latest example being Passengers).
That is the way to go of course but unfortunately this only applies to the US UHD version of Passengers, the European version does not include the 3D BD (so I bought the US version of course ).
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