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For Bay Area people.
Best Buy in San Carlos tells me that they now have a W7 in the Magnolia section up and running , with a mirror behind to see the back of the panel.
And I am out of town.
Has anyone seen this?
And, further down the peninsula in Mountain View the Magnolia in the Best Buy on El Camino (just off 85) also has one. More free-standing on a Plexiglas panel so you can see the back.

Maybe I could hide the soundbar under my wall-mounted rack? (Just painting the cable may hide it enough.) But, still seems the C7 would be fine. Especially for watching from my kitchen ─ which might take out the Sony as it has a whole lot of 'padding' on the back so it sticks out much further than the x7s. I currently have a Pioneer 50" Kuro (non-Elite) and a motorized wallmount, that allows me to angle for a better view from the kitchen ─ but not enough movement for >50" panels to keep using.

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That is the way to go of course but unfortunately this only applies to the US UHD version of Passengers, the European version does not include the 3D BD (so I bought the US version of course ).
I have noticed many of their Ultra disc in the US do not include the 3D as well. Amazing Spider-man 2, for one.
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Hm, it doesn't look like Oled is the way to go for HDR viewing at this stage despite having a near perfect SDR picture. The leap in peak brightness is almost non existent compared to 2016 models, at a meager 700 nits the color volume is simply too low and not able to faithfully reproduce saturated HDR pictures at high luminescence level. I don't understand why it is so difficult to increase nits count on oled, what's stopping it from a drastic improvement?
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Hm, it doesn't look like Oled is the way to go for HDR viewing at this stage despite having a near perfect SDR picture. The leap in peak brightness is almost non existent compared to 2016 models, at a meager 700 nits the color volume is simply too low and not able to faithfully reproduce saturated HDR pictures at high luminescence level. I don't understand why it is so difficult to increase nits count on oled, what's stopping it from a drastic improvement?
Given the crazy aggressive ABL on OLED its almost definitely electricity usage. There's probably an element of lifetime/reliability as well...
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I sure hope they will add 3D back. I finally pulled the trigger on a 2016 model so that I could get the 3D. I have a large collection of discs I have been building up for many years without a 3D TV. It was only when we got 4k passive that I feel there was a solution that wasn't full of compromises. Adding OLED into that makes it even better.

It can't cost them much, and I really feel if people are exposed to a well working 3D solution they will really like it. That has certainly been true with the people I've shown my E6 to so far... they are captivated by it.

The other side the strangling of 3D is of course them forcing you to choose 3D or 4K when you buy the disc and not having an "ultimate" edition with both. After having seen the amazing 3D my set produces, I am going 3D in most cases.

I just hope that by the time I am ready for my next set I will be able to get a 3D model.
It's my understanding LG removed 3D because not having it allowed them to make the screen brighter. It wasn't a cost saving measure. It was done to make HDR brighter.
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It's my understanding LG removed 3D because not having it allowed them to make the screen brighter. It wasn't a cost saving measure. It was done to make HDR brighter.
And because they were worn out and lost money over all of the returns concerning 3D

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It's my understanding LG removed 3D because not having it allowed them to make the screen brighter. It wasn't a cost saving measure. It was done to make HDR brighter.
If that's true (and not an excuse by LG), hopefully they can work on it and improve it.

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And because they were worn out and lost money over all of the returns concerning 3D
I take it there were issues? I just bought mine recently and it's amazing.
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Hm, it doesn't look like Oled is the way to go for HDR viewing at this stage despite having a near perfect SDR picture. The leap in peak brightness is almost non existent compared to 2016 models, at a meager 700 nits the color volume is simply too low and not able to faithfully reproduce saturated HDR pictures at high luminescence level. I don't understand why it is so difficult to increase nits count on oled, what's stopping it from a drastic improvement?
From what I understand, and I could be wrong, but I heard the way we perceive nits has diminishing returns, meaning you don't perceive 4000 nits (for example) being as 4x brighter than 1000 nits.

So I have to say sure - it's not a massive increase in brightness (particularly considering there's a TV that can do 4000 nits). I've seen the 4000 nit TV in a show room (don't remember the name of it), and there's nothing that particularly struck me about it. The nicest thing I could say to it is that it had a "bloomy" look to it, but I kept going back to look at the W7 and the inky blacks that were asbent from the other set. But given that these LG OLEDs are still operating under 1000 nits, a 25% boost in that range should make for a pretty good boost to HDR. And all the reviews seem to be pointing in that direction (that the HDR is biggest improvement about this year's LG OLEDs).
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Given the crazy aggressive ABL on OLED its almost definitely electricity usage. There's probably an element of lifetime/reliability as well...
So perhaps similar to Plasmas back then, they were some electricity hoggers alright.
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From what I understand, and I could be wrong, but I heard the way we perceive nits has diminishing returns, meaning you don't perceive 4000 nits (for example) being as 4x brighter than 1000 nits.

So I have to say sure - it's not a massive increase in brightness (particularly considering there's a TV that can do 4000 nits). I've seen the 4000 nit TV in a show room (don't remember the name of it), and there's nothing that particularly struck me about it. The nicest thing I could say to it is that it had a "bloomy" look to it, but I kept going back to look at the W7 and the inky blacks that were asbent from the other set. But given that these LG OLEDs are still operating under 1000 nits, a 25% boost in that range should make for a pretty good boost to HDR. And all the reviews seem to be pointing in that direction (that the HDR is biggest improvement about this year's LG OLEDs).
Are you talking about the Z9 prototype which Sony showed last year? Don't really recall any other 4000 nits consumer displays. I haven't seen such a high nit tv personally but even the increase from 700 to 2000 nits is pretty drastic much more so with 4000. It doesn't only concern the brightness tho, it's about reaching a level of saturation at high brightness while not clipping white. I'm sure those 4000 nits mastered uhd blu rays are made for a reason since that's the director's intended quality.
I'm also bit confused about the 25% increase claim from LG, I thought their 2016 models are already at 700 nits, so wouldn't that make the new ones around 900 nits?
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And because they were worn out and lost money over all of the returns concerning 3D
I bought my 65C6 because of the 3D. Yes they did gain 100 nits without the 3D screen.
http://www.displayspecifications.com...ison/ccbb16890
You can check that out.
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Hm, it doesn't look like Oled is the way to go for HDR viewing at this stage despite having a near perfect SDR picture. The leap in peak brightness is almost non existent compared to 2016 models, at a meager 700 nits the color volume is simply too low and not able to faithfully reproduce saturated HDR pictures at high luminescence level. I don't understand why it is so difficult to increase nits count on oled, what's stopping it from a drastic improvement?
And yet, in direct comparisons between the G6 and the Z9D made by CR using HDR content this difference did not show up.

One reason for this is that the Z9D does not achieve it's peak brightness when you enable one of the motion processing features. It's apparently a pick your poison situation.

Also look at the state of the art in movie mastering. It's a 30" 4K OLED monitor that lists for $35,000 which is reportedly (not by spec) capable of 1000 nits.

We're not doing so bad...
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LG W7 Wallpaper TV & E7: Review of Upgrades vs 2016 OLED
the article is poorly edited, but it can be understood that LG is stuck in image quality !


it's not good enough for me


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Picture noise with bright HDR images


No serious picture on the wall or sound bar limited

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^^Stuck on image quality? I don't think you watched the same video as I did. Your conclusion is hardly surprising, however. Let's beat that dead horse some more.
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^^^ The design is what makes this set.
Dumb Who pays for TV just because it is thinner!
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LG is stuck in image quality !
That's not an accurate summary of the reviews so far.
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Dumb Who pays for TV just because it is thinner!
I've heard of people looking for pets with a particular fur color because it matches their furniture. Nothing surprises me. So I could see someone buying a TV because it looks just as good off as it does on.

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That's not an accurate summary of the reviews so far.
your answer is not serious
I've included links and explanations and have OLED
and I will not buy a dull OLED, without graying, upscle bad ,hdr bad
and more .......
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No, you are cherry-picking the bad and ignoring the improvements that Vincent clearly outlined in his W7 versus E6 comparison. Let's cut the BS and stop pretending you ever had any intention of buying one this year.
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No, you are cherry-picking the bad and ignoring the improvements that Vincent clearly outlined in his W7 versus E6 comparison. Let's cut the BS and stop pretending you ever had any intention of buying one this year.
I sure have no plans to buy. But OLED is getting better and the more years i wait the better it will be for myself.

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You don't say. Near black uniformity looks more or less the same this year, biggest area that needs improvement as far as I'm concerned.
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We cannot rule out that some ppl, like Popyany45, must have better eyes causing the needs of higher requirements when it comes to picture quality


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Meh...I have (not checked in years, though) LASIK-corrected 20/20 vision.
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Birthday today.. so I used that as a motivator to OD and buy a W7... because the flat screen in my current G6 space would look great and I don't know yet if I can trust my centerpiece space for the "yearly" panel for 2017 to the A1E... which is slated for my personal area of the home. My wife also like the art display feature.

Im expected to receive it by the 6th of April and I have a ton of installation planning to do smh. I'll need the extension wire and have to remove the current brackets on wall for the G6, do wall patchings etc.

I looked at the AVS video discussion on the W7 last night and It was convincing.

I could see, after placing the A1E in the G6 place, someone saying "hey, did you see that TV that is like paper thin?" And feeling regret...

I know for sure the W7 is worthy of the G6 up-paneling, the A1E, though I know I want it, it has me with G6 separation anxiety.

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Sony's drug isn't strong enough for all of us.
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Sony's drug isn't strong enough for all of us.
I know the A1E is expected to be good.. but in the end, I KNOW what I can expect from the LG product.. the 2016 units to me was just too good.. I need to see for myself how possibly can the 2017 units improve.. 2018 units and above is going to have to come with a messaging app to God. I just can't see how this technology gets better in the next 5-10 years.
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I hate to sound like a broken record, but near black uniformity near black uniformity near black uniformity.
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