Sony A1E 4K HDR OLED TV Thread (No Price Talk) - Page 108 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 14432Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #3211 of 8148 Old 05-08-2017, 11:22 PM
Advanced Member
 
PeterLewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 881
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 173 Post(s)
Liked: 127
This Sucker looks sweet on the A1E,subsribe to J K channel as they have beautiful work...


Ps..went to see newest Fast and Furious flick at theater with my son and they had 2:40 oar on 16:9 and the bars were grey.Glad my grey bar days are over with.hahahh.

Sony OLED XBR-65A1E| XBR65X950B|XBR55X900B|2-BR100/Subs|4K X10 Player
Denon - X7200WA|Roku Ultra 4k|PS4
Mirage Omnisat V2 5.1.4 Dolby Atmos set up with SVS PB2000 Sub
PeterLewis is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #3212 of 8148 Old 05-08-2017, 11:28 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ALMA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,016
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 290 Post(s)
Liked: 329
Quote:
Originally Posted by Callsign_Vega View Post
Ya that is the problem I am seeing for computer use. Even at minimum brightness and XDR off, it ABLs. Come on Sony, is that really necessary?
The LGs are even better than that chart from CES. The C7 keeping is peak SDR brightness (around 370cd/m²) up to APL 70% and at APL 80% still 300cd/m² bright.

http://imgur.com/a/6qVaf
https://hdtvpolska.com/wp-content/up...nceXaplB7V.png
https://hdtvpolska.com/lg-b7-oled55b...-ultra-hd-hdr/

The much higher ABL from the A1 is a big disappointment compared to the LG OLEDs.

According to rtings.com it seems the ABL from the A1 is on the same level than the B6:

http://www.hifi-forum.de/index.php?a...stID=2813#2813
10k likes this.
ALMA is offline  
post #3213 of 8148 Old 05-08-2017, 11:39 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 23
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Liked: 20
With regards to the sound output, can someone confirm that the digital optical out is "live" with tv speakers on?
c__w is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #3214 of 8148 Old 05-08-2017, 11:41 PM
Senior Member
 
steakhouse_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 433
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 310 Post(s)
Liked: 171
That is really nice as it means that in cinemascope movies you will have about 350 nits without ABL.
The 2016-esque ABL of the A1 is a real downer for the A1 as you sacrifice one of the really important improvments of the 2017s OLEDs.
steakhouse_ is online now  
post #3215 of 8148 Old 05-08-2017, 11:59 PM
Senior Member
 
steakhouse_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 433
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 310 Post(s)
Liked: 171
As long as it does not show 4000 nits it is not perfect. As every other TV there are still compromises to be made with HDR and with respect to brightness the 2017s LG OLEDs do a better job. The A1 excels with motion interpolation and some processing advantages but I would expect a clear pareto improvment over the LG OLEDs which is not the case.
steakhouse_ is online now  
post #3216 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 12:27 AM
Senior Member
 
steakhouse_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 433
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 310 Post(s)
Liked: 171
Just replace 4000 nits with 1000 nits. My argument still works. In terms of HDR the LG OLED have an advantage concerning brightness which cannot be discussed away.
steakhouse_ is online now  
post #3217 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 01:00 AM
Senior Member
 
steakhouse_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 433
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 310 Post(s)
Liked: 171
You are missing the point. No one is talking about some 1080p 4000 nits TV.
ataneruo likes this.
steakhouse_ is online now  
post #3218 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 01:04 AM
10k
AVS Forum Special Member
 
10k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,415
Mentioned: 80 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2143 Post(s)
Liked: 2381
Al,
Lol that dynascan.

Btw - I confirmed custom mode is clipping without tone mapping so your observations re: custom that you posted a while back were spot on.

If you grab the Sony camp hdr demo and pause at the 20second mark you can really see the different tone mapping algorithms at work in the highlights in the clouds to the left of Mount Fuji.
Al Leong likes this.
10k is offline  
post #3219 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 02:27 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 50
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 32 Post(s)
Liked: 38
Coming of the XD93 wich should have a lot more nits than my current A1 , I do not notice a lack of brightness from the A1 screen. I still have to squint at times when highlights come in dark areas, maybe even more so since the darkness is much darker.


But I almost exclusively watch in darker rooms, so perhaps the nits difference is more apparent in brightly lit rooms?
JMensy likes this.
Emersion is offline  
post #3220 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 02:45 AM
Member
 
JMensy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 94
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 69 Post(s)
Liked: 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Emersion View Post
Coming of the XD93 wich should have a lot more nits than my current A1 , I do not notice a lack of brightness from the A1 screen. I still have to squint at times when highlights come in dark areas, maybe even more so since the darkness is much darker.


But I almost exclusively watch in darker rooms, so perhaps the nits difference is more apparent in brightly lit rooms?
Im hoping to have the same feelings as you, i tend to be at work during the day and when i get home its nearly dark so my viewing will mostly be in a dark room so blinding nits isnt at the top of my list. What is at the top is black, image quality and less colour banding posterisation noise and shadow detail. With no blooming clouding haloing or light bleed.
paranoyd androyd likes this.
JMensy is offline  
post #3221 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 04:21 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 24
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by efball View Post
So who wants to see if they can hack into the speakers directly and send the center channel sound direct to the speakers? This is a major oversight on Sony's part. How much would it cost to add an analog input?
Please do it. It would make the best surround sound.
ataneruo likes this.
jfh24 is offline  
post #3222 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 05:17 AM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 8
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfh24 View Post
Please do it. It would make the best surround sound.
I am hoping that optical out to my amp together with TV speakers at the same time will be a workaround - with amp either set to no centre speaker or more likely just not having it connected so it doesn't try and compensate with the other speakers. TV arrives Thursday though am abroad until Sunday so won't be able to comment until next week. Be great if any owners can try this and confirm optical out does in fact run sound at same time as TV speakers and how good or terrible the surround sound is with this approach. There was also an earlier thread on using the Sony analogue input just for sound but don't know if anyone has tried that and found if it works with hdmi picture? Mostly hoping Sony can do something with an update to make acoustic surface centre speaker? appear as an option - the TV has 5:1 processing so it must be decoding the sound signal - it just needs to drop the signal from all but the centre channel. Though we'd all be stuck with having to send the sound signal from our sources separately to the amp. Or a YouTube video of hacksawing the actuators!??
SK84375 is offline  
post #3223 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 05:37 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Wizziwig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: SoCal, USA
Posts: 3,546
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2238 Post(s)
Liked: 1522
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALMA View Post
According to rtings.com it seems the ABL from the A1 is on the same level than the B6:
No, the A1E ABL is not the same as B6 unless you enjoy getting your eyes burned out at 400 nits. When calibrated to industry standard 120nits, the A1E will have no ABL while the B6 will continue to dim from that 120nit peak calibrated value, possibly hitting 60 nits or less on brighter scenes. There was no way to defeat ABL on pre-2017 OLEDs. The less aggressive ABL of the 2017 LGs would be useful for rooms with high ambient lighting where a 130 nit ABL-free performance is not enough. Less aggressive ABL may also be useful for some HDR content where neither LG or Sony can really provide the nits requested by the content.
chunon and paranoyd androyd like this.
Wizziwig is offline  
post #3224 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 06:57 AM
Senior Member
 
eganz1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: USA
Posts: 233
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 119 Post(s)
Liked: 109
Quote:
Originally Posted by assplats View Post
Does the TV ever say switching to external audio? Are you getting audio out of the TV or no audio?

Also, I'd recommend you do a full reboot (not resetting the settings, but reboot) of the TV. Hold down the power button on the remote until it does a restart, or do it through the Android Settings.
OK, let's call it user error. I've got the audio return channel working fine now.

Theater: Sony A1E OLED 4K Ultra HD, Oppo-205, Anthem AVM60, 7.1.4 B & W CM 7 LR,CDM-cse, CM 1, CM 1 S2, Silverline minuet , SVS SB13 Ultra, Rotel RMB 1555, Parasound A23, Naim NAP 100, EEcolor lut box. Calman, MobileForge, I1D3 & I1pro 2.
Stereo: Aurender N100H, Auralic Vega DAC, Focal Chorus 836 W, BAT VK-3ix, Pass XA 30.5, PPP.
eganz1 is offline  
post #3225 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 07:05 AM
Senior Member
 
eganz1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: USA
Posts: 233
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 119 Post(s)
Liked: 109
Android 7 has arrived on my TV

Theater: Sony A1E OLED 4K Ultra HD, Oppo-205, Anthem AVM60, 7.1.4 B & W CM 7 LR,CDM-cse, CM 1, CM 1 S2, Silverline minuet , SVS SB13 Ultra, Rotel RMB 1555, Parasound A23, Naim NAP 100, EEcolor lut box. Calman, MobileForge, I1D3 & I1pro 2.
Stereo: Aurender N100H, Auralic Vega DAC, Focal Chorus 836 W, BAT VK-3ix, Pass XA 30.5, PPP.
eganz1 is offline  
post #3226 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 07:38 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 453
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 230 Post(s)
Liked: 482
Quote:
Originally Posted by eganz1 View Post
Android 7 has arrived on my TV
...via automatic update, manual checking, or what method? Mine is still on V6 and a manual update check results in no updates being available. Any significant changes that peak your (and our) interest?
BertL is offline  
post #3227 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 07:43 AM
Senior Member
 
eganz1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: USA
Posts: 233
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 119 Post(s)
Liked: 109
Quote:
Originally Posted by BertL View Post
...via automatic update, manual checking, or what method? Mine is still on V6 and a manual update check results in no updates being available. Any significant changes that peak your (and our) interest?
Via automatic update. There were rumors of better HDR, bug fixes, Multitasking, picture in picture,and eventually compatibility with Dolby Vision.

If you go to the update page on your version six TV, should list some of these updates that are coming.
BertL likes this.

Theater: Sony A1E OLED 4K Ultra HD, Oppo-205, Anthem AVM60, 7.1.4 B & W CM 7 LR,CDM-cse, CM 1, CM 1 S2, Silverline minuet , SVS SB13 Ultra, Rotel RMB 1555, Parasound A23, Naim NAP 100, EEcolor lut box. Calman, MobileForge, I1D3 & I1pro 2.
Stereo: Aurender N100H, Auralic Vega DAC, Focal Chorus 836 W, BAT VK-3ix, Pass XA 30.5, PPP.
eganz1 is offline  
post #3228 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 08:01 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 34
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 25 Post(s)
Liked: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by SK84375 View Post
I am hoping that optical out to my amp together with TV speakers at the same time will be a workaround - with amp either set to no centre speaker or more likely just not having it connected so it doesn't try and compensate with the other speakers. TV arrives Thursday though am abroad until Sunday so won't be able to comment until next week. Be great if any owners can try this and confirm optical out does in fact run sound at same time as TV speakers and how good or terrible the surround sound is with this approach. There was also an earlier thread on using the Sony analogue input just for sound but don't know if anyone has tried that and found if it works with hdmi picture? Mostly hoping Sony can do something with an update to make acoustic surface centre speaker? appear as an option - the TV has 5:1 processing so it must be decoding the sound signal - it just needs to drop the signal from all but the centre channel. Though we'd all be stuck with having to send the sound signal from our sources separately to the amp. Or a YouTube video of hacksawing the actuators!??
I have the optical out to my AVR.
It automatically switches to "external speakers" whenever I turn on the receiver, I tried to play with the controls of the receiver to no avail.
Locotl is offline  
post #3229 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 08:10 AM
Member
 
assplats's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 155
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 40 Post(s)
Liked: 30
Smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by eganz1 View Post
OK, let's call it user error. I've got the audio return channel working fine now.
Lol... it happens to all of us! Glad to hear it's working.

Sony 65" A1E | Sony 65" XBR 930C | Denon X4200W @ 5.1 | HTPC - Windows 10 with WMC | Gaming PC - Windows 10, Nvidia GTX 1080Ti | PS4 Pro | Apple TV 3rd Gen
assplats is offline  
post #3230 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 08:21 AM
Member
 
assplats's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 155
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 40 Post(s)
Liked: 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by eganz1 View Post
Via automatic update. There were rumors of better HDR, bug fixes, Multitasking, picture in picture,and eventually compatibility with Dolby Vision.

If you go to the update page on your version six TV, should list some of these updates that are coming.
I hope beyond all the new features they added that it's actually a bit more stable...

Sony 65" A1E | Sony 65" XBR 930C | Denon X4200W @ 5.1 | HTPC - Windows 10 with WMC | Gaming PC - Windows 10, Nvidia GTX 1080Ti | PS4 Pro | Apple TV 3rd Gen
assplats is offline  
post #3231 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 08:22 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Nickff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Brownsburg, IN
Posts: 2,042
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 435 Post(s)
Liked: 242
Quote:
Originally Posted by Creator44 View Post
I have a question for you and all the owners of the A1E.

Where do you put your motion flow settings? Do you guys turn it off completely? Put it to low, etc?

What is the difference between the LG OLED 2017 models with trumotion completely off and the Sony A1E with motion flow completely off? Is the Sony still better with motion or do they become pretty much identical to one another?

I'm asking because I usually put the motion processing to off on my TVs.

I'm not speaking of gaming here because you need to turn the motion processing off for gaming. I'm more speaking about video viewing, mainly 24p blu-ray or uhd blu-rays or 30 fps videos. 60 fps videos are going to look just fine with motion enhancements off.

In fact you can add 30 fps gaming in the mix for the gamers out there. I remember my E6 last year (returned them because of banding) had bad judder movement in forza horizon 3 demo on xbox one, possibly because of less motion blur on OLED than on LCD. I was in game mode with trumotion off of course.

Thanks in advance for any replies!
I have only had the display for a few days...so I am still playing around with the settings.

Sony XBR-65A1E // Denon X6300H // Klipsch RF-7ii (x2), RC-64ii, RB-51ii (x4) // SVS PB12-Plus // Xbox One X // WDTV Live // Sony UBP-X700 // Chromecast Ultra // Harmony 670
Nickff is offline  
post #3232 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 08:40 AM
AVS Forum Addicted Member
Industry Insider
 
Cleveland Plasma's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Posts: 24,589
Mentioned: 81 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6689 Post(s)
Liked: 6685
Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Leong View Post
The A1E blows away all other 2017 OLEDs in playing real-world content. Not even close.
Even the top priced W7.
You would know, you got them all, lol.......
Cleveland Plasma is online now  
post #3233 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 08:57 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
rsonnens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,530
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 679 Post(s)
Liked: 515
Sony A1E 4K HDR OLED TV Owners Thread (No Price Talk)

Whoops wrong thread. -deleated-
rsonnens is online now  
post #3234 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 09:03 AM
Advanced Member
 
PlatinumSV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Long Island NY
Posts: 553
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 305 Post(s)
Liked: 177
PlatinumSV is offline  
post #3235 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 09:11 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ALMA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,016
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 290 Post(s)
Liked: 329
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizziwig View Post
No, the A1E ABL is not the same as B6 unless you enjoy getting your eyes burned out at 400 nits. When calibrated to industry standard 120nits, the A1E will have no ABL while the B6 will continue to dim from that 120nit peak calibrated value, possibly hitting 60 nits or less on brighter scenes.
At APL 100% the 2016 OLEDs reaches over 130cd/m². It can´t be darker than this if you use the right setting. In that range ABL was even 2014 not really an issue for OLED. You have to set "OLED Light" high and Contrast lower to avoid ABL.
ALMA is offline  
post #3236 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 09:28 AM
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 2
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 0
Will the A1 be brighter than my Panasonic VT20? I saw it at PC World/Currys in the U.K. and it seemed bright enough to me if not brighter?

It's my only concern in buying it.
brownvim is offline  
post #3237 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 09:37 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 34
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 25 Post(s)
Liked: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Leong View Post
The A1E blows away all other 2017 OLEDs in playing real-world content. Not even close.
Even the top priced W7.
Has anyone compared the upscaling of the A1E vs a 4K UHD movie.
Is there much difference in picture (I know sound wise it's not an even fight)
Locotl is offline  
post #3238 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 09:47 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ALMA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,016
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 290 Post(s)
Liked: 329
Quote:
Originally Posted by brownvim View Post
Will the A1 be brighter than my Panasonic VT20? I saw it at PC World/Currys in the U.K. and it seemed bright enough to me if not brighter?
It will be, even the ABL will not be an issue for you.
brownvim likes this.
ALMA is offline  
post #3239 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 09:52 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Wizziwig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: SoCal, USA
Posts: 3,546
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2238 Post(s)
Liked: 1522
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALMA View Post
At APL 100% the 2016 OLEDs reaches over 130cd/m². It can´t be darker than this if you use the right setting. In that range ABL was even 2014 not really an issue for OLED. You have to set "OLED Light" high and Contrast lower to avoid ABL.
That is wrong. No reputable calibrator (Chad B. or D-Nice) recommend setting luminance on OLED using the contrast slider. It makes the limited near-black gradation artifacts even worse. Here is what happens if you use proper contrast and OLED light to set luminance on pre-2017 OLED:

Lowering OLED light to 25 (Contrast/Brightness at default)
APL-ABL relation:
5-30% = ~110 nits (no ABL)
35% = ~95 nits (~10% dim)
50% = ~70 nits (~35% dim)
75% = ~ 50 nits (~55% dim)
90% = ~40 nits (~60% dim)
100% = ~38 nits (~65% dim )

The A1E will maintain the same 110 nits from 5% window to 100% window when XDR is disabled. ABL circuit on pre-2017 OLED is essentially broken.
Wizziwig is offline  
post #3240 of 8148 Old 05-09-2017, 10:14 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
ALMA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,016
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 290 Post(s)
Liked: 329
OLED light at 25? Way too dark. You can calibrate OLED-TVs from 2014 - 2016 at around 130cd/m² without ABL and that´s a fact (OLED light from 80-90 and contrast around 55-75). These are also settings from well reputable calibrators here in Europe.
ALMA is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply OLED Technology and Flat Panels General

Tags
settings

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off