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OLED light at 25? Way too dark. You can calibrate OLED-TVs from 2014 - 2016 at around 130cd/m² without ABL and that´s a fact (OLED light from 80-90 and contrast around 55-75). These are also settings from well reputable calibrators here in Europe.


The problem with that approach is it degrades bit depth that is a fact also . regardless I consider ABL to be a non issue for my viewing . I could see maybe it creating an issue for pic monitor use.


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I got a software update notification on my A1E today. Updating now. Will let you know if there is anything noticeably new.
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I got a software update notification on my A1E today. Updating now. Will let you know if there is anything noticeably new.
Ok it looks like Android 7.0 update is rolling out. TV has updated to Android TV Nougat. Settings interface has changed. It'll take some to figure out all the changes. I thought this wasn't happening till later this year.
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It will be, even the ABL will not be an issue for you.
Great news, thank you!

Makes the brightness issue people are talking about exaggerated to me, I consider my living room quite bright.
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3 years ago, HDR for TV didn't exist.

It was only used as a follow up marketing tactic by Samsung and the other manufacturers with a vested interest in LCD to find a way to compete with OLED..

OLED from the beginning offered HDR performance, so the LCD guys had to find a way to "teach" their TVs to perform in the way OLED naturally does. A marketing strategy backed by technical specifications to become the yang (brightness performance) to OLED's ying..

HDR is nothing more than the follow up to 3D, next it will be 8K.. totally useless as 192khz audio, no one can see that much nor hear that much.. maybe dogs and cats, and bats.

Samsung pioneered the brightness marketing tactic..
Yup, amazes me how a newer piece of technology somehow rewrites how "videophiles" view things (in both senses). So many talk of which screen is brighter (brightest is best it seems now), when it wasn't so long ago that the done thing was to turn the backlight and brightness down so it wasn't glaring like it was in the shop! Everyone now seems to be a HID-lit white walled laboratory instead of a low ambient lit living room.

If a picture is good, a picture is good. The LG 2016 (eg B6/C6) are PERFECTLY fine, there hasn't been an issue of lack of brightness for YEARS in television, perhaps early LCDs and Plasmas, but nothing I've seen in the last decade would worry me about lack of brightness. It just doesn't cross my mind, but what does is picture quality/detail/motion handling. I breifly had a Sony X85 and the picture was so nice, detailed and natural with exquisite motion handling (yes I like Sony's motion settings!!) but the TV was badly let down by a grey IPS panel. Couple OLED and top end brains the A1 looks like a winner to me.
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@kkapoor and other owners....Is this the first SW update and if so what does this update reslove?
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@kkapoor and other owners....Is this the first SW update and if so what does this update reslove?
Yes, this is the first software update. There are some interface changes in the settings. Android TV has been updated to version 7.0 from 6. As for resolving issues, I didn't have any before. There are no release notes for this update so it's hard to note what is new.

Edit: Ok here's what I can see.

1. Picture in Picture available when using Android TV. i.e. watch TV while using Android TV interface.
2. Task Switching. Press and hold home button for task switcher.
3. Samba interactive TV. Don't know what this is.
4. TV's Bluetooth now supports bluetooth headphones.
5. HLG support has been implemented. Hybrid Log Gamma.
6. Settings interface improved.
7. TV can have multiple Google Accounts.
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So does this update add Dolby Vision

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5. HLG support has been implemented. Hybrid Log Gamma.
Good to see that they are keeping their promises on one of the two formats they said they'd patch in. Now for Dolby Vision.

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So does this update add Dolby Vision
I think that will come later this year. Google is making a big Android TV announcement this month. Most likely the changes from the announcement will be added to Sony 2017 TV's later this year with Dolby Vision.
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OLED light at 25? Way too dark. You can calibrate OLED-TVs from 2014 - 2016 at around 130cd/m² without ABL and that´s a fact (OLED light from 80-90 and contrast around 55-75). These are also settings from well reputable calibrators here in Europe.
How is 110 nits too dark? Industry standard for dark-room viewing is 100-120 nits. Review sites like hdtvtest, avforums, etc. all calibrate to this brightness range. They all use OLED Light setting to get there.

If all you're after is a pretty calibration report, go ahead and lower contrast. Just be aware that calibration only tests <1% of possible colors. I'll stick to opinions of calibrators I trust who said large contrast changes will reduce image quality on real-world content.

This is drifting off-topic. I just wanted to clear up the false claim that Sony hasn't improved ABL response compared LG B6 model. If you want to discuss this further, let's move to the official LG 2016 OLED calibration thread.
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Sony A1E 4K HDR OLED TV Owners Thread (No Price Talk)

VE just contacted me about a surprise shipment of 77 W7s coming next week. Maybe this means an early release for the 77 A1 to compete!

Not holding my breath but that would be awesome.


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Still loving my A1. Throwing old school crappy 480i vids at it & resolves it flawlessly. It excels with everything I've thrown its way.
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Planet Earth II HDR technical review by the same guy that did the videos on Arrival and Star Trek Beyond. Another title that IMO looks fantastic, and also has max highlights of only 550nits so should be faithfully reproduced on A1.

Interestingly the film was mastered in HLG HDR and converted by automatic process at the end for UHD bluray. I wonder why they chose 500nit peak, since HLG has a max of 5000nit.

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^^^^^Saw this just last night. Producers admitted to using their 4k cameras for only 80% of the material. Also mentioned NETFLIX working w/same team for a release in 2019.
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Al; Just a quick question. Like you I believe, have Verizon/Fios for cable. Currently via my SonyX930D, standard SDR PQ is really very nice. Seriously thinking about an upgrade to the A1E & just curious if you feel PQ would be comparable. Thanks
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I just updated my set with the new release and besides the revamped user interface with Android 7, I'm getting dolby digital plus audio watching Netflix which I never got before.
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Maybe you should investigate the weights they give to different components of a score . The Motion score is almost entirely made up of the pixel response time, the Motion interpolation score is only a 'does it have it or not' and the long awaited BFI option on OLED's makes up about 4% of the Motion score when it could have a big impact (again this is a does it have it or not score, yes = 10, no = 0 ). HDTV Test gave the Z9D and X930E a 'best scaling ever on a consumer model' rating and that is the same image processor the A1 has. Likewise the Sony interpolation has been rated the best almost universally for as long as I can remember and this is not reflected in the score at all.

There are a lot of score components you can heavily criticize on Rtings ...
Bingo. Rtings gave the C7 and the A1E the same motion score of 9.7, and yet ...

C7 review:
"There are some bugs in the interpolation which causes more stuttering than usual, especially with our full-screen pattern."

A1E review:
"There are significantly less artifacts than the C7 which has a buggy interpolation feature."
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Bingo. Rtings gave the C7 and the A1E the same motion score of 9.7, and yet ...

C7 review:
"There are some bugs in the interpolation which causes more stuttering than usual, especially with our full-screen pattern."

A1E review:
"There are significantly less artifacts than the C7 which has a buggy interpolation feature."
That's because the C7 passed the 24P over 60hz and the A1E failed it.

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I just updated my set with the new release and besides the revamped user interface with Android 7, I'm getting dolby digital plus audio watching Netflix which I never got before.


Still no update here in Chicago.


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Yeah if it wasn't for LG I don't think OLED would've been possible, so... many props to them. Without LG, this amazing Sony wouldn't have existed!
True but I must concur that if it wasn't for "SONY" no manufacturer would have known how gorgeous OLED tech is on a TV screen. Since they were the first to produce an OLED TV. So if SONY never made one I don't think LG would have known about this technology to be honest and we wouldn't have good competition for 2 different TV technologies. It would just be all lcd/led TV's so thank you SONY.
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great TV and i hope to get my hands on one of them soon
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but after seeing this review:


I must say, the LG looks tempting and can't believe that what you can get for A1E 55", will get you C7 65", this is killing it!
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but after seeing this review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYk9qg3rd_c

I must say, the LG looks tempting and can't believe that what you can get for A1E 55", will get you C7 65", this is killing it!
If price is important for you, I would say to wait until this fall (especially around black friday), you can expect the LG to have a 40-50% price drop. Sony, maybe 20% (Sony TV usually have lower price drop in general, maybe it will be different for the A1E).
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@eganz1 , @kkapoor , other A1E owners who've updated to Nougat:

1. Have any of you who use Kodi noticed a performance increase when upgrading to Nougat? Any Kodi freezes or shutdowns?

2. Have any of you been able to side-load Android APKs on the A1E?


Thanks for any feedback if/when you get the chance to test things out.
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hard to say since that's a pretty light background still, it almost looks like gamma 2.4 on a1 vs 2.2 on z9, but in any case as the space behind the stars gets darker the individual stars themselves on the a1 won't lose their brightness like they do on z9. Definitely a huge advantage from having over 8 million "dimming zones"
Oh, please. The content on the two displays (A1E/Z9D) are obviously not in sync, and from the photo one is delayed, and you two are trying to make a serious comparison from this?

Here is the shot, which is not showing the same scene of stars.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attach...5&d=1494022153

p.s. I have my Z9D sitting side by side next to my C6 OLED, so no need for me to try and guess or speculate about how the Z9D stacks up against LG's OLED blacks. The Z9D does not look gray next to my LG OLED at all. The truth is, the vast majority of the time (especially with SDR) the blacks are essentially equally as dark and there is no major visible difference.

On very challenging scenes, like starfields in the black of space, the blacks on the Z9D are about the same as the OLED. The difference is not that the Z9D blacks look gray next to the OLED, rather the difference is the dynamic range of the brightness in stars is compressed on the Z9D. The OLED displays a greater disparity in brightness among stars, with some stars appearing very bright, while others can be very dim. The very bright stars look more muted on the Z9D and closer in brightness to the dim ones. Sony has decided to sacrifice some specular brightness in order to keep the darkness of space as black as OLED on scenes like this, and to not show obvious blooming on starfields. Obviously OLED can perform better on a starfield, but not because it is noticeably "blacker" than the Z9D, but because the highlights (stars) can be brighter while maintaining the blackness of space.

For SDR at least, the darkness of blacks and depth on the Z9D is almost the same as my 2016 LG OLED. The black letterbox bars, even if they cannot be perfect black hole black like on the OLED, are sufficiently dark and close enough to black that the bars are never distracting as long as you are doing what you should be doing, watching the content in-between the letterbox bars, and not the bars themselves.

If you set OLED side by side with Z9D and stare intently at the letterbox bars, sure the OLED will always win. But do you stare at the black bars during a movie, or do you watch the content inside the letterbox bars? With SDR, as long as the letterbox bars are in your peripheral vision, they are plenty dark enough on the Z9D that they are never a distraction or looking gray, but essentially black. Of course, seating distance also plays a major role in how much light spillage is detectable in black bars. If one walks up real close to inspect the black bars, they will more easily detect light spillage than from a further seating distance.

I even can see some slight light spillage into black bars on my OLED if there is a bright enough highlight near the edge. Whether that is a result of reflections within the display, or a limitation of the human visual system (point spread function), matters little. I can still see some blooming/haloing or light spillage on bright white lettering with my OLED.
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@eganz1 , @kkapoor , other A1E owners who've updated to Nougat:

1. Have any of you who use Kodi noticed a performance increase when upgrading to Nougat? Any Kodi freezes or shutdowns?

2. Have any of you been able to side-load Android APKs on the A1E?


Thanks for any feedback if/when you get the chance to test things out.
Sorry. Haven't tried out either.
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Update App

Although I do not have the update yet, there is a TV Software Update App on my home page that explains the update in detail.

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