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Out of curiosity, did Sony manage to solve the vignetting problem that so many LG OLEDs were plagued by?
From previous discussion, effectively yes -- vignetting on the A1E is not a practical concern. There remains some banding concern by a few, but that too appears to be much less of an issue than in previous LG generations.
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Has the price for the 77" been announced yet? And when will the 77" be available? Thanks!!
No, but estimates from previous posts place the cost around $15K. Firm availability also not yet announced.
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Well I did it.

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Will this just be through HDMI inputs, or will Netflix and VUDU get the update as well?

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No, but estimates from previous posts place the cost around $15K. Firm availability also not yet announced.
Lets guess at $12,500 on the street. At that price, a good firm look at the XBR-75Z9D should be made as it is nearly half the cost and some consider it to be just as good or better in.
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So do use always use your Shield for streaming on your A1E in lieu of Sony's internal apps?

Does this avoid the issues involving 24fps sources displayed at 60hz?

What is your setup for using your 2 fully capable hdmi inputs. Do you connect the Shield and your Oppo directly to the television and then route your cable/sat through the Oppo?
I have removed/disabled as much bloat as possible including the apps I use from the Sony TV. You can completely disable the Sony app shelf in the settings. I don't use the smart interface at all and don't even have network hooked up to it.

The reason I removed even common used apps from the Sony was in case my S.O. accidentally ends up on the Sony TV home screen and didn't realize she is using YouTube on the Sony instead of the Shield. I also mapped the TV button on the Sony remote to automatically go to the Shield but the Sony remote is barely ever used.

I cut the cord so Live TV is done through the Shield. I use the Live Channels app for local TV channels that are sourced over my home network through an HD Homerun/antenna. I also use Sling TV and Netflix on the Shield.

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In regards to the 24fps question that may be better asked in the Shield thread in the content streaming forum. They are smarter than me on that subject.

Hopefully the next round of Sonys finally have access to a MediaTek that is faster and I wont be suggesting a set top box. Unfortunately, right now they are tied to MediaTek's processor decisions.

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In lg when content is hdr is shows a messsge on right top screen. How can I see if Sony is receiving a hdr signal?
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Also the entire sony featured apps shelf can be removed if you go into the "SonyShelf" app and turn off notifications and force close. I also disabled samba, crackle and the racing game.
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Al, you seem to be impressed with marketing speak, and I'm not saying the claims aren't true to varying degrees (I've rarely seen any company's marketing claims that, on the surface, weren't impressive), but I don't think I'd use them to make my case. Marketing speak makes any product sound like it can part the red seas.



At any rate, the other way to look at 'Magic Dust' is, the more dust you sprinkle on your picture, the further you move away from accuracy.



Unlike you, I don't believe all calibrated pictures look the same. True, they will tend to make wildly divergent, out-of-the-box pictures, far more equal, but there will still be differences. It's these differences that may drive some toward display A vs display B.



So for those that prefer accuracy, if it turns out the calibrated pictures are so close that it's really tough to tell them apart, the decision might then revert to style, OS, current HDR capabilities, speaker proficiency, number of inputs and their bandwidth and, heaven forbid, price. Of course there are many other factors that might influence a purchase.



At this point I'm still really up in the air as to which 77" OLED to take home, but rest assured marketing hype will play a zero role in that decision.


I can confirm that what Sony is saying is true here. Even if it is marketing.
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No, but estimates from previous posts place the cost around $15K. Firm availability also not yet announced.


I got an email from Value Electronics and talked to my local rep who I have the 77 on preorder with. Both are getting an early batch off 77s in early August.
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In lg when content is hdr is shows a messsge on right top screen. How can I see if Sony is receiving a hdr signal?
Go to Picture Adjustments when the content is playing. If it's HDR, it will show an icon in the upper right corner of the first screen.
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I have removed/disabled as much bloat as possible including the apps I use from the Sony TV. You can completely disable the Sony app shelf in the settings. I don't use the smart interface at all and don't even have network hooked up to it..
Where in the settings?
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77 is going up in price prior to release to 18k i believe
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Where in the settings?
settings > apps > find the app you want to disable or turn off notifications for. In this case find the app called sonyshelf and turn off notifications and then force close.
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Anyone has a link to all the setting menus for the A1? I've tried everything but it seems like some of the settings you guys talked about in here i cannot find it.

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Anyone has a link to all the setting menus for the A1? I've tried everything but it seems like some of the settings you guys talked about in here i cannot find it.

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None that I'm aware of. Unfortunately they are sort of spread out across at least 4 major areas:

Home / Settings
Home / Network Settings
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Action Menu / Picture Adjustments

Good luck with the hunt. My suggestion is to just do what I did. Sit down with a cool one, go through each section and panel one-by-one to get a feel what's there, and curse Sony for poor detailed documentation the whole time.
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settings > apps > find the app you want to disable or turn off notifications for. In this case find the app called sonyshelf and turn off notifications and then force close.
I find no app named sonyshelf.
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From previous discussion, effectively yes -- vignetting on the A1E is not a practical concern.
I said the same a few weeks ago based on A1E owner posts c/w B7/C7 owner posts, and multiple people replied saying that was incorrect, vignetting same on both since it's the same panel. Sure seems like a lot fewer, if any, A1E owners complaining of vignetting.
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So it looks like after viewing several A1s and C7's in person that the A1s seem to have better highlights in SDR and HDR modes although the C7s have a verified higher peak luminance levels. After talking to "sources", and thinking about it from an engineering perspective, it's possible that Sony is "managing" the total available luminance via their picture processing algorithms to generate better highlights. In layman's terms, from a high level, you can think about it this way. The set has a budget on how much luminance it can display for a specific frame for example. This is dependent on the set's power supply, the panel and other factors. Instead of making the whole frame as bright as it can be, it appears that Sony is using their picture processing algorithms to utilize the available luminance to make only the part of the picture "that needs it" brighter.

I haven't been able to 100% verify this hypothesis but it's a plausible deduction based on what the viewer see's when looking at these sets side by side in person. Not that one set is better than the other, they both have subtle differences.

Hey you are incorrect about the brightness. But great thought. It all has to do with the Map toning of HDR. LG limits the brightness in HDR right at the maximum of 700 nights. So if a movie is made at 4000 nits. LG makes it so the 4000 top nit is 700 and nit 3000 would be equal to like 500 on the Lg. If that makes sense. The sony does not do that and pushes the brightness. So the LG will not seem as bright but there will be no loss of Detail in the LG brights. The sony will seem brighter brights will lose detail. Watch HDtvtests you tube page its all explained. and shown
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Hey you are incorrect about the brightness. But great thought. It all has to do with the Map toning of HDR. LG limits the brightness in HDR right at the maximum of 700 nights. So if a movie is made at 4000 nits. LG makes it so the 4000 top nit is 700 and nit 3000 would be equal to like 500 on the Lg. If that makes sense. The sony does not do that and pushes the brightness. So the LG will not seem as bright but there will be no loss of Detail in the LG brights. The sony will seem brighter brights will lose detail. Watch HDtvtests you tube page its all explained. and shown
jrref is one of the few members in the OLED threads who seriously knows his stuff.. and he's been 100% correct in all of his assessments you may read on A1/LG.
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Hey you are incorrect about the brightness. But great thought. It all has to do with the Map toning of HDR. LG limits the brightness in HDR right at the maximum of 700 nights. So if a movie is made at 4000 nits. LG makes it so the 4000 top nit is 700 and nit 3000 would be equal to like 500 on the Lg. If that makes sense. The sony does not do that and pushes the brightness. So the LG will not seem as bright but there will be no loss of Detail in the LG brights. The sony will seem brighter brights will lose detail. Watch HDtvtests you tube page its all explained. and shown
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When is this getting Dolby vision update also do you think the sony 4k player will also can't justify spending 500+ on the oppo
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Lets guess at $12,500 on the street. At that price, a good firm look at the XBR-75Z9D should be made as it is nearly half the cost and some consider it to be just as good or better in.
I could slap a LS7 in my C6 for a little more than that price.

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So it looks like after viewing several A1s and C7's in person that the A1s seem to have better highlights in SDR and HDR modes although the C7s have a verified higher peak luminance levels. After talking to "sources", and thinking about it from an engineering perspective, it's possible that Sony is "managing" the total available luminance via their picture processing algorithms to generate better highlights. In layman's terms, from a high level, you can think about it this way. The set has a budget on how much luminance it can display for a specific frame for example. This is dependent on the set's power supply, the panel and other factors. Instead of making the whole frame as bright as it can be, it appears that Sony is using their picture processing algorithms to utilize the available luminance to make only the part of the picture "that needs it" brighter.

I haven't been able to 100% verify this hypothesis but it's a plausible deduction based on what the viewer see's when looking at these sets side by side in person. Not that one set is better than the other, they both have subtle differences.
I couldn't find your repsonse to my post so i am just writing here. Just watch the video. It explains and shows all about the brightness and the sony losing detail in bright lights. Its not a right or wrong way to tone map but its proof that what i said is correct.

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When is this getting Dolby vision update also do you think the sony 4k player will also can't justify spending 500+ on the oppo
Take a peek at previous posts across AVForums, as both have been discussed rather extensively... . Net is, DV should be late this year or early 2018 for the A1E. Speculation it could be earlier, but I've not seen that directly from Sony -- only indirect reference IIRC from one post somewhere around here. No DV has been announced by Sony on the X800, and most do not believe it will be delivered at the price point of that product. I bought one soon after I ordered my A1E, didn't open the box upon receipt a few days later, and returned it unopened the day it arrived because of that lack of formal commitment. I am more than happy with my UDP-203 that has operational DV support today -- now waiting for my Denon and Sony to deliver on their previously-announced updates for end-to-end DV support across all my home theatre components.
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I couldn't find your repsonse to my post so i am just writing here. Just watch the video. It explains and shows all about the brightness and the sony losing detail in bright lights. Its not a right or wrong way to tone map but its proof that what i said is correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt6IflKAmWg
Dude.. c'mon man.. are you serious?!?!? jrref is not the member for this commentary.. please read the history of this thread. jrref was the member who explained this before Vincent did.
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Dude.. c'mon man.. are you serious?!?!? jrref is not the member for this commentary.. please read the history of this thread. jrref was the member who explained this before Vincent did.
Vincent's latest Panasonic OLED review video goes into much more detail on this topic. Great stuff.

Its a shame the sony TV dont have a working 20pt control, or we could just shape the tone mapping however we like.
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77 is going up in price prior to release to 18k i believe
Its happened before, it can happen again for sure.......Remember to check out those XBR-75Z9D before you sink double the cost into a 77" OLED.....There are some guys returning there OLED and getting Z9D for this reason and that reason and happy with there choice. To each there own of course.
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I find no app named sonyshelf.
Keep looking. Its gotta be there. Unless you don't have the featured Sony apps shelf to begin with.
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