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I'm at bestbuy and I'm looking at several tvs a1e, z9d, 940e, 900e and they all look the same to me why is that?
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I'm at bestbuy and I'm looking at several tvs a1e, z9d, 940e, 900e and they all look the same to me why is that?
Because you're watching content maximized for the display in question and/or not using 5% gray slides, etc

There is no perfect display, quit looking for faults and enjoy

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I'm at bestbuy and I'm looking at several tvs a1e, z9d, 940e, 900e and they all look the same to me why is that?
If you honestly can't tell the difference, pay less and be happy with your purchase

I could instantly tell the difference. That's why I narrowed to the Z and A1
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If you honestly can't tell the difference, pay less and be happy with your purchase

I could instantly tell the difference. That's why I narrowed to the Z and A1
I'm getting the a1e after extensive research and I'm hoping after the professional calibration it will be the best tv I will have ever seen
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I'm getting the a1e after extensive research and I'm hoping after the professional calibration it will be the best tv I will have ever seen
Great choice
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Guys I have taken a plunge. Finally bought A1E 55 inch Bravia Oled.

It will arrive on July 1st. I have saved settings Version 1 & Version 2 from AL Leong.

Will keep posting in the owners thread after next Saturday as I apply those settings.

Thanks to everyone who answered my questions.
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Guys I have taken a plunge. Finally bought A1E 55 inch Bravia Oled.

It will arrive on July 1st. I have saved settings Version 1 & Version 2 from AL Leong.

Will keep posting in the owners thread after next Saturday as I apply those settings.

Thanks to everyone who answered my questions.
Congrats! You will not be disappointed.

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hello,

do you know when the firmware for the dolby vision will be available?

Thanks!
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do you know when the firmware for the dolby vision will be available?

Thanks!
No firm date. Previous posts in this thread indicate anywhere from next month, to late this year and early next.
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I went and did it. After more than a year of watching my Sony XBR6 46 for the past year after having my beloved Panasonic VT 55 stolen from my home just over a year ago (on Good Friday , can you believe that) went out yesterday after doing lots of research and watching pricing and purchased a replacement. Yes, the Sony XBR-55A1E OLED. It's still in the box too because I have to wait for help to set it up. Purchased from the military exchange so I did save some but I can't discuss it here.

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I just purchased an XBR 55 A1E, after returning a LG 55C7P because of "prison bar" banding in blue and gray skies. It would appear that the Sony bitmapping circuit attenuates the banding effect, on what is the same LG panel on both sets.

I can tell the difference in overall "pop" between the two, with the LG seemingly having more luminance that the Sony.

Does anyone have any suggested settings to make the Sony as "vivid" or "bright" as it can be?

I realize that the ABL algorhythm in the Sony is more aggressive than the LG, but I would like to at least approximate the less aggressive ABL on the LG.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated, or redirect to where this may have been discussed previously.

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I just purchased an XBR 55 A1E, after returning a LG 55C7P because of "prison bar" banding in blue and gray skies. It would appear that the Sony bitmapping circuit attenuates the banding effect, on what is the same LG panel on both sets.

I can tell the difference in overall "pop" between the two, with the LG seemingly having more luminance that the Sony.

Does anyone have any suggested settings to make the Sony as "vivid" or "bright" as it can be?

I realize that the ABL algorhythm in the Sony is more aggressive than the LG, but I would like to at least approximate the less aggressive ABL on the LG.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated, or redirect to where this may have been discussed previously.

Thanks.
Set XDR to high, turn off ACE (at least try it like this for a while), select Cinema Pro for dark viewing and Custom for bright. Adjust the brightness if you want to your liking and enjoy! Try these settings and the ABL shouldn't be an issue unless you are gaming. You may want to have the set calibrated down the line to get an even better PQ

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Set XDR to high, turn off ACE (at least try it like this for a while), select Cinema Pro for dark viewing and Custom for bright. Adjust the brightness if you want to your liking and enjoy! Try these settings and the ABL shouldn't be an issue unless you are gaming. You may want to have the set calibrated down the line to get an even better PQ
Thank you very much!

I'll give it a go, and let you know the results.

I appreciate your response.
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Try massaging it out with a lint-free cloth. If that fails, spray on a smidgen of distilled water.
Thank you, I will try that. Sorry for the late response, been so busy. To busy to even watch the TV lately

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Vincent in his review of Sony A1E mentioned:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd65a1-201706044471.htm

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We verified that Android Nougat update added HLG (Hybrid Log-Gamma) support on the Sony 65A1 which successfully played a couple of HLG-encoded demo clips we had.
Can anyone of you confirm this ?
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Way earlier in the thread a couple members posted a link to a universal mount allowing owners to use the a1e with a non-tilt, vertical table top mount

I think the manufacturer was Fitueyes

Now, when I search for that stand I see it available only for sets up to 60", not 65".

Am I missing something?

Can someone give me a link for a non-tilt 65" table top stand for the a1e?

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can i use this tv as pc gaming monitor?
can there be image retention or burn in or are there any risks?
and how does this compare to q9 from samsung?
im sorry if my questions are stupid but i dont know much about oled i didnt even see one in real life there are no shops in my country to display
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Way earlier in the thread a couple members posted a link to a universal mount allowing owners to use the a1e with a non-tilt, vertical table top mount

I think the manufacturer was Fitueyes

Now, when I search for that stand I see it available only for sets up to 60", not 65".

Am I missing something?

Can someone give me a link for a non-tilt 65" table top stand for the a1e?

Thanks
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I use that one on my A1E and it's perfect. The pedestal also matches the black glass look of the back which is an added bonus. Keep in mind even though it says the manufacturer is fenge on amazon it is indeed Fitueyes

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can i use this tv as pc gaming monitor?
can there be image retention or burn in or are there any risks?
and how does this compare to q9 from samsung?
im sorry if my questions are stupid but i dont know much about oled i didnt even see one in real life there are no shops in my country to display
From what I've seen you get IR from OLED, but others have stated BI is much more difficult.

This is something I'm curious about as well as I'd like to make the monitor a second screen for my Mac when working at home. I has. Plasma VT30 that got BI despite 400 hours running slides and changing content from my playing a video game like call of duty. Dark spots formed that never went away.

The motion is certainly good on the A1E as you'll hear, and the tech improving.

Does anyone else do a lot of gaming or use as an external monitor?
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Way earlier in the thread a couple members posted a link to a universal mount allowing owners to use the a1e with a non-tilt, vertical table top mount
Now, when I search for that stand I see it available only for sets up to 60", not 65".
With he universal stands or mounts go by the weight limit not the size usually......
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Both Sony and LG patent most of their picture processing algorithms and processes. You can easily look them up. Because of this, they can't possibly be using the same algorithms to accomplish the same functions such as screen compensation, etc..
Not without license, permission, or a cross-patent sharing agreement in place.

The compensation cycle is specifically something I'd expect LG to share and/or conceivably even to "bake in" to the panels.
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I don't agree. The reason you're saying colour accuracy is more important is because because you can stick a meter on it and check it. Motion and graduation are subjective but the viewer can see it and judge it isolation. Crap motion is crap motion, as is bitty colour graduation.

In isolation colours can look perfect to your eye only against a reference meter can you say it's not right, but poor motion is there to see with your eyes.

I can understand colour calibration for critical conditions like stuff that is going to print has to be accurate but if a red is one shade darker than it "should" be it really is less consequential than seeing the picture judder/tear etc.

Television is about the viewing experience, which can be subjective. Start concentrating solely on colour accuracy and nothing else (such as ignoring the huge efforts to develop the processing engine) , well you may as well just buy a monitor.
The thing is, if you showed me what color something was supposed to look like, I'd probably be able to tell the image on the TV was wrong; whereas you'd probably have a tougher time pointing out a motion problem to me that my eyes do not perceive because I'm apparently not sensitive to it.

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Vincent in his review of Sony A1E mentioned:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd65a1-201706044471.htm



Can anyone of you confirm this ?
"We verified that Android Nougat update added HLG (Hybrid Log-Gamma) support on the Sony 65A1 which successfully played a couple of HLG-encoded demo clips we had."

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I use that one on my A1E and it's perfect. The pedestal also matches the black glass look of the back which is an added bonus. Keep in mind even though it says the manufacturer is fenge on amazon it is indeed Fitueyes

Thanks for the reply.
The base of the stand you identified me looks awfully small as pictured in the Amazon listing. I take it you find it suffient to be able to significant weight of the a1e and stable enough not to be at risk of falling over if it was accidentally bumped??


It also seems to be height adjustable to doe degree and allows some swivel to swing the display to the left or right to adjust to the various to each owners room layout.
Are these correct assumptions on my part?
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Thanks for the reply.
The base of the stand you identified me looks awfully small as pictured in the Amazon listing. I take it you find it suffient to be able to significant weight of the a1e and stable enough not to be at risk of falling over if it was accidentally bumped??


It also seems to be height adjustable to doe degree and allows some swivel to swing the display to the left or right to adjust to the various to each owners room layout.
Are these correct assumptions on my part?
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Got to spend some time with a 55A1E today.

After much time spent with the E7/B7, I really gotta be honest here - There's basically zero perceptible difference between the two of them.

Really if you covered the bezel and did a double blind study I bet even 9/10 times most users here wouldn't be able to guess which set they were looking at.

I expected the ABL to give it away, but to be honest, even that looked better than the 2016 OLEDs and more in line with the 2017s.
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Got to spend some time with a 55A1E today.

After much time spent with the E7/B7, I really gotta be honest here - There's basically zero perceptible difference between the two of them.

Really if you covered the bezel and did a double blind study I bet even 9/10 times most users here wouldn't be able to guess which set they were looking at.

I expected the ABL to give it away, but to be honest, even that looked better than the 2016 OLEDs and more in line with the 2017s.
According to Vincent the A1 clips brights with tone mapping... apparently the LG does a better job...
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Just wondering if after the HLG and DV updates will anyone see a difference between LG and SONY at all!
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Just wondering if after the HLG and DV updates will anyone see a difference between LG and SONY at all!
I finished 4K UHD Power Rangers in DV on the W7 and its the only time I feel the LG OLED and A1E looks similar with HDR content.. HLG looks the same on the W7 and A1E to me..

I can't see how DV would look different on the A1E.. the magic is the A1E's ability to make HDR10 look like Dolby Vision.. outside of that, native DV and HLG I expect look identical across LG and Sony.
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I can't see how DV would look different on the A1E.. the magic is the A1E's ability to make HDR10 look like Dolby Vision.. outside of that, native DV and HLG I expect look identical across LG and Sony.
There is no magic, there's just processing that dynamically adjusts tone mapping based on the static frame being displayed, which is also available on the LG - It's called Active HDR, as opposed to "Active Contrast Enhancer" on the Sony. And TBH, I believe the Active HDR is superior from what I've seen as the ACE can over process on occasion causing blow outs or too much darkness.

You can't sit here and play with the settings of the A1E - most of which are also available on the LG - while leaving the LG at stock, and then talk about how the A1E has some magical settings. It's deceptive and a little ridiculous.

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