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post #5791 of 8172 Old 08-04-2017, 03:48 PM
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That's not what the spec sheet on the first post says. Please look at it and confirm I'm reading it correctly. Maybe I'm reading it wrong.
I think you mean this:

"Up to 18Gbps:4K 60p 4:4:4(8bit), 4:2:2(8,10,12bit), 4:2:0(8,10bit) HDR included for HDMI 2/3"

I think that is meant to say that the HDMI ports are up to 18Gbps (some of them are 9, but some are 18, so they are up to 18), and that the list after the : is what HDMI 2/3 can do, but 1/4 can not. It is certainly not very clear.

I haven't seen anything claim that you can't do 4:4:4 at 4k 30p on port 1 for example.

So far everything I can find seems to simply be that ports 1 and 4 are 9Gbps and ports 2 and 3 are 18Gbps.

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Can anyone answer what the reason is for only 2 of the 4 hdmi ports being able to do 4k @ 60 Hz? Why not just make them all capable
Also, anybody who is serious enough to have more than two external sources for UHD HDR @60Hz probably also has the requisite receiver to do the switching. Or an HDMI switch at the very least.

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Also, anybody who is serious enough to have more than two external sources for UHD HDR @60Hz probably also has the requisite receiver to do the switching. Or an HDMI switch at the very least.
Sure I have a switch, bu I have a soundbar that uses ARC, so I'm basically down to 1 port that can UHD HDR @60Hz

If ports 1 and 4 can't do [email protected] then I will have 2 eventually 3 devices that have to share one port. Extremely inconvenient.
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I think you mean this:

"Up to 18Gbps:4K 60p 4:4:4(8bit), 4:2:2(8,10,12bit), 4:2:0(8,10bit) HDR included for HDMI 2/3"

I think that is meant to say that the HDMI ports are up to 18Gbps (some of them are 9, but some are 18, so they are up to 18), and that the list after the : is what HDMI 2/3 can do, but 1/4 can not. It is certainly not very clear.

I haven't seen anything claim that you can't do 4:4:4 at 4k 30p on port 1 for example.

So far everything I can find seems to simply be that ports 1 and 4 are 9Gbps and ports 2 and 3 are 18Gbps.
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Also, anybody who is serious enough to have more than two external sources for UHD HDR @60Hz probably also has the requisite receiver to do the switching. Or an HDMI switch at the very least.
Perhaps, but if it's one of your flagship TV's why not just make it easy and do it for them all, if LG can do it surely Sony could. Not a big deal anyways just kind of confusing.
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Well as long as you plugged it into the right jack (I believe there is more than one 3.5mm jack on the back), and the TV is set to internal speakers, and the headphone jack config is set to subwoofer, and the subwoofer is on with volume turned up, then I think you are doing what I did when it worked. Hopefully you didn't get a TV with a broken headphone jack.

Did you try if you can use headphones with it?
I got it to work! What hertz and gain do you have yours set on? Also phase 0 or 180?

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The headphone jack works when I put in headphones and looking at the 3.5mm jack one looks a little different than the other can you link me to the one you bought?
I just used some random stereo 3.5mm to dual RCA cable I had lying around (I think I used to use it for sound from my computer). Totally standard cable.

What I have is essentially a cheap version of this: https://www.amazon.com/Cable-iXCC-Sh...eo+cable&psc=1

Mine is nowhere near that pretty.

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Looks like i could be a 65" owner later today folks. Any tips once i get this set out of the box i should know about? Where ya at Al? I am sure you know some stuff about this display.
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Looks like i could be a 65" owner later today folks. Any tips once i get this set out of the box i should know about? Where ya at Al? I am sure you know some stuff about this display.
If you scour this forum you will find some recommended video settings to try. Have to say that I got mine professionally calibrated and it was well worth the money.
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Screw, I'll just look stupid and ask it, how much does it affect the experience by the fact that the screen is tilted when you are down in the couch? For the people who actually got the TV.
For me, none whatsoever. I've had the 55'' for over a month now and I don't notice the tilt at all. I'm too busy being impressed by the picture

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If you scour this forum you will find some recommended video settings to try. Have to say that I got mine professionally calibrated and it was well worth the money.
I would have Dnice calibrate it. Just any set up tips? No internet will be hooked up and only 1080p will be used at this time. Just cable, OTA- HD and Bluray.

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I am looking for feedback from folks that primarily use the Sony for Directv or sat and cable viewing. I know the OLED excels feeding it excellent source material but how does it perform with compressed material like Directv? I know no TV is perfect and the android application in the Sony and the remote leave allot to be desired but the Sony has the best motion handling for sports and that is important to me. I am trying to replace my Kuro plasma but with 90% of my viewing being Directv is this purchase worth it?
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I would have Dnice calibrate it. Just any set up tips? No internet will be hooked up and only 1080p will be used at this time. Just cable, OTA- HD and Bluray.
It's worth watching a video on the unboxing and set up, especially of the stand, before the set arrives. The supplied instructions for this are hopeless. If you search on YouTube you will find this.

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Looks like i could be a 65" owner later today folks. Any tips once i get this set out of the box i should know about? Where ya at Al? I am sure you know some stuff about this display.
Woah, you are doing OLED? I think you won't regret the decision coming from the VT60!!! Invest in an OPPO 203, and a few 4K UHD discs, its worth it.

I have my personal settings for HDR content published in my signature, I'd recommend giving the panel some playback time to settle the display around 200 hours.. in that time you can venture my settings and have fun with 4K UHD, Blu-ray discs and Netflix HDR content.. for SDR such as cable, my settings may be too bright and you'd want to explore toning down my published settings to what you feel works for your cable feed, I recommend XDR on medium and ACE off for cable.

After about 200 hours, you'd be in a better position to speak with a pro calibrator to consult on your set once the panel has ironed out.

Some 4K discs that will make you smile:

1) Pacific Rim
2) TMNT Out Of The Shadows (trust me, the PQ is one of the best)
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5) All Harry Potter Films

One you get internet connected, for Netflix HDR I recommend as you see has been complimented in the owners thread:

Daredevil Season 2, Ep 12. The entire series looks exceptional but if you want to get an immediate sample of what the TV can do, go with this episode first.

Also take a look at the "Meridian" Netflix stream.

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Woah, you are doing OLED? I think you won't regret the decision coming from the VT60!!! Invest in an OPPO 203, and a few 4K UHD discs, its worth it.

I have my personal settings for HDR content published in my signature, I'd recommend giving the panel some playback time to settle the display around 200 hours.. in that time you can venture my settings and have fun with 4K UHD, Blu-ray discs and Netflix HDR content.. for SDR such as cable, my settings may be too bright and you'd want to explore toning down my published settings to what you feel works for your cable feed, I recommend XDR on medium and ACE off for cable.

After about 200 hours, you'd be in a better position to speak with a pro calibrator to consult on your set once the panel has ironed out.

Some 4K discs that will make you smile:

1) Pacific Rim
2) TMNT Out Of The Shadows (trust me, the PQ is one of the best)
3) John Wick 1/2
4) Arrival
5) All Harry Potter Films

One you get internet connected, for Netflix HDR I recommend as you see has been complimented in the owners thread:

Daredevil Season 2, Ep 12. The entire series looks exceptional but if you want to get an immediate sample of what the TV can do, go with this episode first.

Also take a look at the "Meridian" Netflix stream.
This deal came out of the blue. Looks like the owner can't get a truck today so when he gets back in town in 1.5 weeks he will bring it over. It is the Sony 65" OLED never out of the box. I really wanted a cheap 55" OLED, but at the price this Sony 65" is i can't pass it up. Just be using it for Cable TV , OTA- HD and Bluray. I will buy a UHD player down the road.

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Also, anybody who is serious enough to have more than two external sources for UHD HDR @60Hz probably also has the requisite receiver to do the switching. Or an HDMI switch at the very least.
That may be true, but having independent inputs allows you to tailor the source to the settings of that one, unique input. Having most things shuttled through your receiver, means one input must handle all sources with the same settings. Not always ideal.

There is no question in my mind that Sony took the cheap way out by only configuring two inputs for full bandwidth. For a unit costing this much, that's inexcusable IMO.
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I am looking for feedback from folks that primarily use the Sony for Directv or sat and cable viewing. I know the OLED excels feeding it excellent source material but how does it perform with compressed material like Directv? I know no TV is perfect and the android application in the Sony and the remote leave allot to be desired but the Sony has the best motion handling for sports and that is important to me. I am trying to replace my Kuro plasma but with 90% of my viewing being Directv is this purchase worth it?
My LG 77"G7 looks excellent with most Directv content, so I'm sure you'll be happy with the Sony.
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I am looking for feedback from folks that primarily use the Sony for Directv or sat and cable viewing. I know the OLED excels feeding it excellent source material but how does it perform with compressed material like Directv? I know no TV is perfect and the android application in the Sony and the remote leave allot to be desired but the Sony has the best motion handling for sports and that is important to me. I am trying to replace my Kuro plasma but with 90% of my viewing being Directv is this purchase worth it?
I watch a lot of DirecTV on my A1E -- probably more of that content than any other each day. I covered this at least a couple times way back towards the beginning of this thread after I took delivery. Net is: The A1E does a great job, including upscaling nearly all 720p & 1080i content the DirecTV provides. I find local TV stations that broadcast local news @ 720p, looks totally amazing -- at a reasonable viewing distance, you will almost think it's a 4K source it's that good on coloration and detail. Other channels, e.g. Golf Channel broadcasts in 1080i. For the most part, that too looks amazing on my A1E -- only exception is at times there can be some artifacts around parts of the overlaid graphics (like scores, etc). It's not that bad (no other person has ever made a comment) or something I'd say is "an issue". As I've descried in earlier posts, it seems to come and go as the network perhaps use different cameras and feeds -- I can have the problem on one game, but as soon as they switch to another course somewhere, the problem is gone. Motion handling is superb. I have zero complaints as do most other A1E owners. The only time I see a hazing golf ball or something similar is because the source (i.e. camera work) caused it to be that way -- if it's a tight steady shot, my A1E easily eliminates the bit of ghosting that is sometimes more apparent on other sets. Very happy with DirecTV and my A1E combo.
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Question for the owners using the A1's built-in sound. In store it sounds a bit tinny with a reverb component to it.

1) Is the extremely thin/reverb sound, caused in part by the surroundings I was in, or is it a trait of using the glass/panel as a speaker? Comparing the sound to the LG E7/G7/W7, the LG had a more robust solid sound (in store). Going in a master bedroom so not adding a separate sound system.

2) For streaming 95% of the time, I would assume it's not worth waiting for the 2018, with possibly hdmi 2.1. I believe, if streaming, the 2017 will likely be able to process HDR 10 dynamic metadata. Has this been confirmed as likely by Sony or LG?

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I watch a lot of DirecTV on my A1E -- probably more of that content than any other each day. I covered this at least a couple times way back towards the beginning of this thread after I took delivery. Net is: The A1E does a great job, including upscaling nearly all 720p & 1080i content the DirecTV provides. I find local TV stations that broadcast local news @ 720p, looks totally amazing -- at a reasonable viewing distance, you will almost think it's a 4K source it's that good on coloration and detail. Other channels, e.g. Golf Channel broadcasts in 1080i. For the most part, that too looks amazing on my A1E -- only exception is at times there can be some artifacts around parts of the overlaid graphics (like scores, etc). It's not that bad (no other person has ever made a comment) or something I'd say is "an issue". As I've descried in earlier posts, it seems to come and go as the network perhaps use different cameras and feeds -- I can have the problem on one game, but as soon as they switch to another course somewhere, the problem is gone. Motion handling is superb. I have zero complaints as do most other A1E owners. The only time I see a hazing golf ball or something similar is because the source (i.e. camera work) caused it to be that way -- if it's a tight steady shot, my A1E easily eliminates the bit of ghosting that is sometimes more apparent on other sets. Very happy with DirecTV and my A1E combo.
Bert: This seals the deal for me..I am taking the plunge with both feet...My follow-up to you is I have a pre-amp (Marantz 8802a) that cn upscale or I can just pass the signal in native form and let the Sony do the conversion and leave the Directv in native mode. What is the preferred method of signal up conversion??
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This deal came out of the blue. Looks like the owner can't get a truck today so when he gets back in town in 1.5 weeks he will bring it over. It is the Sony 65" OLED never out of the box. I really wanted a cheap 55" OLED, but at the price this Sony 65" is i can't pass it up. Just be using it for Cable TV , OTA- HD and Bluray. I will buy a UHD player down the road.
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Bert: This seals the deal for me..I am taking the plunge with both feet...My follow-up to you is I have a pre-amp (Marantz 8802a) that cn upscale or I can just pass the signal in native form and let the Sony do the conversion and leave the Directv in native mode. What is the preferred method of signal up conversion??
Glad the post was helpful.

I have a Denon X4300H AVR. All of my components, including DirecTV Genie go to it, then a single cable from the AVR to A1E.

I've played with my possible upscaling combinations a lot. Net is, the A1E is very capable when it comes to upscaling. To my eyes and taste, my AVR does no upscaling by default -- it acts as a glorified HDMI switch for the most part, while driving my surround system. I let each downstream component send it's own native resolution (e.g. DirecTV Genie 720p or 1080i) through the AVR, and the A1E upscales whatever it receives to 4K if need be. I have two exceptions:
  1. My OPPO UDP-203 is arguably one of the best when it comes to what it does... As such, I let it upscale all content it provides -- my A1E has no upscaling to do when it comes to my OPPO content, only color, motion, Sony Pixie Dust sort of tweaks within the panel itself. Of note: My OPPO is absolutely superior to my A1E handling upscaling of 480i (like old B&W TV shows) -- but for everything else, it's close to a wash as to if the OPPO or Sony does a better job. Unlike some here on the forum, I keep my life as simple as I can, and just let the OPPO do it's own upscaling so I have less settings to twiddle with.
  2. That example I gave with sometimes strange artifacts around some of the graphics on 1080i (Golf Channel?) sources: I generally do nothing about it -- when I notice the problem -- as I'm almost always multi-tasking while I'm watching TV, but I found that my AVR can actually do a superior job to my A1E in this specific situation and remove most of those artifacts when it occurs... SO, I've only done it once, but if the artifact problem bothers me enough, I just temporarily turn on the upscaling on my AVR (it's one setting) and the problem immediately goes away. Once that show is over, I turn the AVR upscaling back off and I'm back to my normal setup.
IMHO, this whole upscaling thing is an art how the math is put together by each mfgr. With all the combinations, it's hard to make everything always look great, especially when you consider how many pixels are being made out of nothing to fill in a 4K panel. I like quality, but I'm also about trying to balance that with convenience. It's why I spent the time to try various combos and just let things default for the most part -- with my two exceptions.

As a side note, DO be sure you take the time to research and obtain proper cables for everything from each component to your AVR, and the AVR to A1E. You'll regret it if you don't buy quality certified premium high-speed HDMI cables and have them in place when your A1E arrives.

Enjoy that A1E. Can't wait to hear your first impressions.
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Glad the post was helpful.

I have a Denon X4300H AVR. All of my components, including DirecTV Genie go to it, then a single cable from the AVR to A1E.

I've played with my possible upscaling combinations a lot. Net is, the A1E is very capable when it comes to upscaling. To my eyes and taste, my AVR does no upscaling by default -- it acts as a glorified HDMI switch for the most part, while driving my surround system. I let each downstream component send it's own native resolution (e.g. DirecTV Genie 720p or 1080i) through the AVR, and the A1E upscales whatever it receives to 4K if need be. I have two exceptions:
  1. My OPPO UDP-203 is arguably one of the best when it comes to what it does... As such, I let it upscale all content it provides -- my A1E has no upscaling to do when it comes to my OPPO content, only color, motion, Sony Pixie Dust sort of tweaks within the panel itself. Of note: My OPPO is absolutely superior to my A1E handling upscaling of 480i (like old B&W TV shows) -- but for everything else, it's close to a wash as to if the OPPO or Sony does a better job. Unlike some here on the forum, I keep my life as simple as I can, and just let the OPPO do it's own upscaling so I have less settings to twiddle with.
  2. That example I gave with sometimes strange artifacts around some of the graphics on 1080i (Golf Channel?) sources: I generally do nothing about it -- when I notice the problem -- as I'm almost always multi-tasking while I'm watching TV, but I found that my AVR can actually do a superior job to my A1E in this specific situation and remove most of those artifacts when it occurs... SO, I've only done it once, but if the artifact problem bothers me enough, I just temporarily turn on the upscaling on my AVR (it's one setting) and the problem immediately goes away. Once that show is over, I turn the AVR upscaling back off and I'm back to my normal setup.
IMHO, this whole upscaling thing is an art how the math is put together by each mfgr. With all the combinations, it's hard to make everything always look great, especially when you consider how many pixels are being made out of nothing to fill in a 4K panel. I like quality, but I'm also about trying to balance that with convenience. It's why I spent the time to try various combos and just let things default for the most part -- with my two exceptions.

As a side note, DO be sure you take the time to research and obtain proper cables for everything from each component to your AVR, and the AVR to A1E. You'll regret it if you don't buy quality certified premium high-speed HDMI cables and have them in place when your A1E arrives.

Enjoy that A1E. Can't wait to hear your first impressions.
The cable situation I am painfully aware of as my theater room has a JVC RS500 and a long run of 50 feet so I bought the Celebrity fiber optic cable to take no changes and it works flawlessly. I say painfully aware because thee fiber optic cables are super expensive and I have to purchase another for the Sony as this run will be 50 feet as well...

Thanks for the tips, I have an OPPO 105D right now on both my displays so it looks like a 203 is in my future. I am hesitant to replace them as I love the built in Tidal app on the 105 series...
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How deep of a surface do you need for the 65" Stand? I built a riser on my TV stand to clear the center speaker, it is 17" deep. Is that deep enough?

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How deep of a surface do you need for the 65" Stand? I built a riser on my TV stand to clear the center speaker, it is 17" deep. Is that deep enough?
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So 13 3/8" deep then?

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So 13 3/8" deep then?
Correct.....Hope this helped....remember the front of the screen is 57 1/4 wide, so how every wide is your stand, subtract that from the 57 1/4, then divide that amount by 2 which will tell you how much of the screen on either side of the stand will be unsupported.

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Correct.....Hope this helped....remember the front of the screen is 57 1/4 wide, so how every wide is your stand, subtract that from the 57 1/4, then divide that amount by 2 which will tell you how much of the screen on either side of the stand will be unsupported.
My stand is 60" wide. Just looks scary how the stand works on this display.

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