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The point is Oled TVs are now 100% safe
Most people complaining only have temporary issues because you need to use your Oled TV for some time before some issues disappear
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Do you know a good warranty I can get?? I'm not paying Best Buy $999 for 4 years there has to be a cheaper way to protect my purchase

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I was thinking that too. they'll insure something that was purchased for $5500?!
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If you get burn-in on an OLED, I'll buy you a replacement.
That is a pretty bold thing to say. While they were demo models, I have seen burn in on more than a dozen store demo OLEDs.
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Mine (55") will be delivered Tuesday. Ordered from Robert last Monday. Shipped Wednesday from Texas.
Congrats! Can't wait to read your thoughts, too.

Owner's thread will be filling up quick these next two weeks for sure.
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Noob question here. Assuming the EOTF cal and break in period are addressed by VE prior to shipment of my A1E, does that process apply to all HDMI inputs equally, or is it specific to one input? If it applies to all inputs, then is the only distinction between say a PS4 Pro on HDMI 2 and an LG UP970 on HDMI 3 the options I select for motion handling? Is there any risk of "undoing" the calibration by messing with the configuration settings or is it something I can restore by re-establishing the settings prescribed? My understanding is that HDMI inputs 2 and 3 support the full 4K 60 FPS UHD signals,

If the calibration only applies to one input, can it be copied to the other inputs easily or would I have to replicate the settings as desired?

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The break-in process is specifically for the panel. All panels need 100-250 hours of "run time", depending on the technology, for them to stabilize and then be able to calibrate. That said, all panels "age" over time but the process is slower after this initial run time.

VE will calibrate Cinema home and expert which are equivalent to LG's ISF Bright and Dark, along with HDR for all the HDMI inputs and the Apps so you will be fine.
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Not choosing an OLED because fear of Burn-in is NEVER a good reason.

Burn-in is non existent on LG Oled panel in normal use. As long as your not displaying a logo non stop at max brightness for months long you won't have it.
Just playing devil's advocate here, but have they been out long enough that we know that for sure?

On my previous TV, which was a CRT rear-projection set, I didn't have any burn in issues for the first few years, but over time it eventually developed burn in where the 4:3 bars and 2.35:1 bars would display when watching content in those aspect ratios.

The cumulative effect of extra hours for the phosphors in those areas of the screen vs the areas that were black due to the letterbox bars eventually took its toll.

While OLED tech is different, the organic material does degrade over time with use, and while 4:3 content isn't really a worry anymore, most blu-rays and UHD Blu-Rays are still 2.35:1.

It may take a few more years before we really know if OLEDs are going to be susceptible to that.
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That is a pretty bold thing to say. While they were demo models, I have seen burn in on more than a dozen store demo OLEDs.
It is a bold statement, I will not make the same statement, however I do not think there has been on member here on AVS with burn in, maybe imagine retention. With this said you would have to leave your set on with a still imagine for a very, very long time......
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That is a pretty bold thing to say. While they were demo models, I have seen burn in on more than a dozen store demo OLEDs.
Yeah, there have been at least 10 well documented cases of burn in on OLED over the years. Almost all of them were store demos that were never turned off. So as long as you shut it off or have the compensation cycle run, burn in should be a non issue even though technically it can occur. The only thing different now is that with HDR things might change.
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Can you shut off the sound coming from the screen? Would not work with a dedicated 7.1 system.
Can one person assemble the stand to the tv on a 65 model? I live alone and dont want a disaster. I love the way the screen just sits there with no stand to raise it up which would be perfect for my media furniture.

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Can you shut off the sound coming from the screen? Would not work with a dedicated 7.1 system.
Can one person assemble the stand to the tv on a 65 model? I live alone and dont want a disaster. I love the way the screen just sits there with no stand to raise it up which would be perfect for my media furniture.
Yes, it's called lowering the volume to 0.

Probably, if you have the strength and arm span to lift it off the box (It's like, 70 lbs or so I believe) - ask for help, I'd phone a friend.
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This is not true at all (unless the Sony is doing something different to existing OLED technology). I can game for hours upon hours, with static HUDs on the screen, watch sports for hours with on-screen logos or tickers, and as soon as the TV is switched off, the compensation cycle cleans up any IR in standby mode. Of course, if you never turn your TV off and only view static images, it will be a problem, but you don't need to babysit OLED sets at all. I've been gaming on mine for a year without issue, sometimes for many, many hours at a time.
So, you mention turning off the TV, after gaming or watching sports. However, what would happen, for example, if I watched two games on ESPN (4-6 hours), and then I wanted to watch a TV show or movie after that? Would there be screen retention from my ESPN viewing that I would see when trying to watch TV or the movie? If so, how long does it last?

Just trying to picture (no pun intended :-) what I can expect from an OLED on a typical weekend.

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That's well above 20%.
It's 50%
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On my Sony tv it has a speaker option....tv speakers or audio system turning to zero won't work has to one or the other.....does the A1E have this option?
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On my Sony tv it has a speaker option....tv speakers or audio system turning to zero won't work has to one or the other.....does the A1E have this option?
Yes, you can choose TV speakers or audio system.
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Can you shut off the sound coming from the screen? Would not work with a dedicated 7.1 system.
Can one person assemble the stand to the tv on a 65 model? I live alone and dont want a disaster. I love the way the screen just sits there with no stand to raise it up which would be perfect for my media furniture.
You can do it alone, but make sure you're doing the handling from the base stand and use plastic gloves so if you end up touching the screen while handling, you won't cause smudges.
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Can you shut off the sound coming from the screen? Would not work with a dedicated 7.1 system.
Can one person assemble the stand to the tv on a 65 model? I live alone and dont want a disaster. I love the way the screen just sits there with no stand to raise it up which would be perfect for my media furniture.
If you set up the ARC connection from the A1E to your receiver, the TV should bypass the internal sound for your sound system.
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I asked Torben Rasmussen from FlatpanelsHD.dk (he is preparing the 65A1 review on flatpanelsHD) if he has a source for the thesis that the A1 is equipped with the new 2017 LG Panel generation. I also told him, that an AVS-User had to return his brandnew A1 because of panel problems.

Here is his interesting statement:

"I measured the light intensity and it is about 10% higher than last year. LG will not continue to produce 2016-panels, so things will quite naturally move towards 2017-panels.
Panel uniformity has always been a risk with any TV. Why should this year be any different?"

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That's not the picture that comes off the camera. Rtings blurs the image to remove small imperfections and calculates the averages across the image.
We will update the article to be more clear, but this is the raw image from the camera with minor processing. This consists of a transformation to remove lens distortion, color correction, and cropping. No filter is applied for this image, only for the DSE and standard deviation calculation to remove moir? frequencies.
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@Al Leong based on pics, it looks like when I mount my table top mount, it will make the ports a bit hard to get to. I am I correct thinking this?

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If you set up the ARC connection from the A1E to your receiver, the TV should bypass the internal sound for your sound system.
Or he can use optical output to send the audio of the apps to his receiver

By the way, Al, What kinda stand are you using? I guess because of the tilt you are using some low stand like this one
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Or he can use optical output to send the audio of the apps to his receiver

By the way, Al, What kinda stand are you using? I guess because of the tilt you are using some low stand like this one
It's the stand that comes with it.

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Are you serious
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Hey AL what's the box the tv comes in dimensions on a 65 inch was wondering if it fix in the back of my Toyota pick-up....also hooking HDMI cable tv to receiver goes in the 3 slot on tv makes ARC?
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It's the stand that comes with it.
i believe he is referring to the table on which the tv sits, not the kick stand thing propping it up.
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That is a pretty bold thing to say. While they were demo models, I have seen burn in on more than a dozen store demo OLEDs.
You have no idea how the sets have been treated. Have they been turned off for long enough to run the compensation cycle? Did you witness them being turned off while you were there and then them being left off for 15 minutes for the compensation cycle to have completed?

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So, you mention turning off the TV, after gaming or watching sports. However, what would happen, for example, if I watched two games on ESPN (4-6 hours), and then I wanted to watch a TV show or movie after that? Would there be screen retention from my ESPN viewing that I would see when trying to watch TV or the movie? If so, how long does it last?

Just trying to picture (no pun intended :-) what I can expect from an OLED on a typical weekend.

Thanks,
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You can watch it for 100 hours straight. As soon as it is turned off the compensation cycle starts. It's run when you power off after 4 hours of cumulative TV watching.

In terms of IR, the only time I notice when flicking back and forward between content is when watching 2.35:1 material. You might faintly see the bars for a few minutes if the new material is a light background, for example. IR is an issue with these sets, but burn-in isn't. It's temporary.
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Hey AL what's the box the tv comes in dimensions on a 65 inch was wondering if it fix in the back of my Toyota pick-up....also hooking HDMI cable tv to receiver goes in the 3 slot on tv makes ARC?
I'm not Al , but the Sony product page has the specs you are looking for. Shipping size of the 65" is 62.5"x39.25"x7.75". From pictures of the rear, HMDI 3 is labeled as ARC.
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