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Sorry, I know someone mentioned this, but can you connect a UHD Player to any of the HDMI inputs? From the description, they all look like they have the same capabilities except #3 which has ARC.
While I haven't in person confirmed, I believe only ports 2 and 3 support deep color. Not an issue for me as it will be going in a bedroom. But would've been nice to know ahead of time and seems rather silly considering LG is all 4 ports since the C/B/E6
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use ports 2 & 3 for 4k
All HDMI ports do 4K, but only ports 2 and 3 will do 4K at 60 Hz, so yeah, UHD BluRay on HDMI 2, AV Receiver on HDMI 3 for ARC, HDMI 1/4 for cable/dvr or whatever that isn't so picky. However, I would imagine your UHD BluRay player would work no matter where you plugged it, you just wouldn't get 4K 60 fps unless it was on 2 or 3.
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All HDMI ports do 4K, but only ports 2 and 3 will do 4K at 60 Hz, so yeah, UHD BluRay on HDMI 2, AV Receiver on HDMI 3 for ARC, HDMI 1/4 for cable/dvr or whatever that isn't so picky. However, I would imagine your UHD BluRay player would work no matter where you plugged it, you just wouldn't get 4K 60 fps unless it was on 2 or 3.
And i'm guessing when you calibrate HDR, you probably want to use a deep color port, 2 or 3.

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^^^ Here we go again with the slides
How many times are we going to discuss this? Can't we give this a rest?

Thinking about this again, if you are so OCD on slides, then OLED is not the set for you because they are not 100% perfect and that's it. Nothing else to discuss concerning uniformity.
Last comment (famous last words) on the issue: What is present on slides will ultimately show in content, it's all a matter of the viewer's perception.
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The last piece of my area is the Lovesac that should deliver in 2 days. I have 2X GTX 1080ti cards that will replace the dual 980 cards in my Area 51..

Right here, is the small slither of the universe I can call mine. I'm not waiting for a Scorpio.. $1500 in graphic card upgrades say no drops below 60fps are allowed.

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Does anyone know what, if any, the advantage would be for attaching an on-brand Sony UBP-X800 UHD player to the A1E vs. an off-brand player like the LG UP970? Would the video settings be auto-detected? Better deep color integration?

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Question: I have always used a 5.1 setup, and have placed the center channel on the TV stand below the screen as wall placement is not feasible for me. The lack of a foot stand on the A1E was initially off-putting to me, but I have been thinking: is there any possible way I could use the screen itself as a center channel while still routing sound to surround system? I suspect the answer is no, but this would be such a fantastic way to set it up...


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I've exact same problem and I am thinking of using TV speaker system as center speaker. So would be interested in any workaround to get this.
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I'm going to be purchasing the sony 55 a1e in May. I cant find any info on the screen material, do you know if it's glass, plastic, or gorilla glass?

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I've exact same problem and I am thinking of using TV speaker system as center speaker. So would be interested in any workaround to get this.
How do you feel about mounting on top? My previous f8500 and current c6p use a center top shelf.



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Yes, it's possible to send only the center signal to the tv, but it's practical or desirable only if the tv can play analog audio over hdmi video. In that case, get a receiver with pre outs, take the RCA Center Channel pre out and split it into left and right with an RCA splitter, connect the newly split LR signals into the TV's included analog adapter cable, and plug into the tv. This causes the tv to reproduce center channel content, but again, unless the tv can overlay that analog sound onto the HDMI video, it won't work in practice.

There are probably other ways with HTPCs or other equipment as well, and those might actually work but I don't know enough to tell you about them.
Thanks for this Idea. Does it really work? How can we test whether "the tv can overlay that analog sound onto the HDMI video"?

Would be really nice to use the sound of the A1 as a center speaker!!! Great idea!!!

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Time 7:35 or so in ze German unboxen shows the rubber feet (and yes, they are temporary for setup/moving, but I suppose you could leave them on if you must even though they aren't aesthetically pleasing).
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They look to be placed almost to the edge. Can anyone measure their placement, edge-to-edge? Hard to tell, but they're maybe 1/4" long? I suppose if they aren't removable, and are integral to stability, I can place a suitably-sized gripping material to accommodate them overhanging my 56" stand that I wish to continue using.

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This sounds amazing! However... how is the image retention after several hours playing the same game with fixed UI elements and then switching to watching a movie? How quickly/slowly does it fade? (I'm not talking about the 5 minutes exposure reviewers usually do, but the non-stop hours long gaming session many gamers do.)
I played a 3 hour session of Kingdom Hearts on ps4 and put Netflix after. I didn't see anything. There is a pixel shift option that reduces IR (possibly eliminating it in a certain time frame?) And I have that enabled, on all the content I've been testing on this TV I haven't seen it affect the image quality at all.

Also, to address the screen uniformity issue, no my TV is not perfect and vertical banding is noticeable in a specific range above black (1-10% or so with slides) but oddly enough I don't see it in almost all the content. I see it becomes noticeable in very cloudy/grey scenes and even then it isn't crazy obtrusive. I haven't calibrated my screen yet and just.like I improved my EF9500 vertical banding issue (didn't eliminate it just improved it) I suspect I can nearly eliminate the banding on the A1E considering how pretty discreet the banding already is. I'd rather have a television that has a stunning beautiful clear non-cloudy non-bloomy image most of the time and occasionally see banding rather than having ALL dark scenes riddled with grey and cloudy blacks and obvious light bleed (yes even the Z9D, the pinnacle of LCD technology is not free of this).
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I discovered something pretty cool about the interaction between the PS4 and the A1E. I was playing Netflix through my PS4 and I tried using the TV's remote to pause, navigate the menu and search (forgetting it was running through the PS4) and it works! I went to the PS4 home screen and I can navigate the PS4 using the TV remote, so I dont have to use the damn DS4 when I just want to watch a movie or stream something ! So I can charge my controller and not have to deal with if. This is unexpectedly awesome!!
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The last piece of my area is the Lovesac that should deliver in 2 days. I have 2X GTX 1080ti cards that will replace the dual 980 cards in my Area 51..

Right here, is the small slither of the universe I can call mine. I'm not waiting for a Scorpio.. $1500 in graphic card upgrades say no drops below 60fps are allowed.

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Love it, what's the input lag for the AE1 I remember reading separate measurements for 1080p(high) & 4K(Low) so I'm assuming console users are selecting 4K output to keep it as low as possible though can't seem to find it.

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4K
4K HDR
4K + Sony BFI variant
4K HDR + Sony BFI variant
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I discovered something pretty cool about the interaction between the PS4 and the A1E. I was playing Netflix through my PS4 and I tried using the TV's remote to pause, navigate the menu and search (forgetting it was running through the PS4) and it works! I went to the PS4 home screen and I can navigate the PS4 using the TV remote, so I dont have to use the damn DS4 when I just want to watch a movie or stream something ! So I can charge my controller and not have to deal with if. This is unexpectedly awesome!!
Yup it works with my samsung too since last major ps4 pro update
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^^^ Here we go again with the slides
How many times are we going to discuss this? Can't we give this a rest?

Thinking about this again, if you are so OCD on slides, then OLED is not the set for you because they are not 100% perfect and that's it. Nothing else to discuss concerning uniformity.

I'm getting my A1 tomorrow so i'm going to play it for a day, throw the meter on it and i'll let you guys know what I see. I'm going to have my LG OLED sitting right next to the A1 with the same feeds for a while so I can do a side by side comparison.
Would you mind recreating this chart with measurements from the A1E? The lines are 1%, 2%, 3%, 4%, 5% patterns, y axis is nits, x axis is APL of the pattern/surround.



Thanks, looking forward to your findings.
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I played a 3 hour session of Kingdom Hearts on ps4 and put Netflix after. I didn't see anything. There is a pixel shift option that reduces IR (possibly eliminating it in a certain time frame?) And I have that enabled, on all the content I've been testing on this TV I haven't seen it affect the image quality at all.

Also, to address the screen uniformity issue, no my TV is not perfect and vertical banding is noticeable in a specific range above black (1-10% or so with slides) but oddly enough I don't see it in almost all the content. I see it becomes noticeable in very cloudy/grey scenes and even then it isn't crazy obtrusive. I haven't calibrated my screen yet and just.like I improved my EF9500 vertical banding issue (didn't eliminate it just improved it) I suspect I can nearly eliminate the banding on the A1E considering how pretty discreet the banding already is. I'd rather have a television that has a stunning beautiful clear non-cloudy non-bloomy image most of the time and occasionally see banding rather than having ALL dark scenes riddled with grey and cloudy blacks and obvious light bleed (yes even the Z9D, the pinnacle of LCD technology is not free of this).
Yes I remember you mentioning the uniformity problems of your panel at the beginning. Good thing it seems subtle!

As for the IR, I was wondering if the usage of BFI makes the IR even less prominent because since there is no backlight that can be used to insert the black frames then the A1E must really shut down the organic leds and send real black frames to them. That means each pixel, even on a static image, is not always displaying that image but flickering to black and back to the image all the time.

I also wonder if a negative possibility would be that the organic leds could have less life time by getting constantly flickered from black to a color all the time like that? I mean they are made to change state fast and often anyway but still. I'd still play with BFI to High for the clarity of motion in games even if it was lowering the life of the panel a little.

Just some thoughts without basis.

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Thanks the idea. couple of issues: I am not sure if TV can bear weight of my center speaker ~about 10lb. Also if I mount on top and considering 5 degree tv angle away from viewer, I would need to put center about 10d to compensate tv and height of the speaker from viewing/hearing position. While I like the idea but may not look good, anyways I will try it when I get tv.
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Thinnest wall mount .9" Holds the 55" just fine. Used the LG OTW420B mount.


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So when does Sony make an add-on that will make the display stand straight and require a couple of mounting screws in the foldout section to stabilize the display? I would pay extra for it!
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How much was the mount cost and how far does it stick out from the wall front to back? It looks great. What is the weight that it will hold total? I want a 65".

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I just wish the 77 was out sooner. I'm going to be selling the 65 in September and replacing with the 77
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How much was the mount cost and how far does it stick out from the wall front to back? It looks great. What is the weight that it will hold total? I want a 65".



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Cool, think that makes 3 of us now waiting for the 77.
That would be 4. Ordered the 65" for Friday. Once the 77" is out this will make its way to the bedroom. Lol
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OK, So here's my mini review on the 55" A1E I picked up yesterday.

Design:

As you know design is very subjective. Some people like large bezels on the TV as it gives them a cinematic feeling from the equipment. The A1E has very minimalistic design. It seems Sony looked to a Bauhaus design credo when designing the set i.e. "form follows function". Sony obviously wants you to focus on the picture and the picture only. That's why there is virtually no bezel. In fact there is virtually no bulk to the TV. The stand is very well designed and solidly built. You will never feel like the TV is going to tip over. The connections are thoughtfully designed and cable management is fantastic with clips that keep cables together just below where they connect. The angle on the screen is so minimal that I barely noticed. I'm posting pics of my before and after setup so you can see how the TV creates a greater sense of space. I moved up from a XBR52HX909 (FALD 240 Hz)to this 55" A1E and was shocked how much less spatial area this tv takes up.

Inputs:

I setup my PVR on HMDI3/ARC. When I was initially setting up the TV sometimes I got a picture from my 4k PVR, sometimes I got snow. I noticed I had switched on the "Enhanced HDMI" option in the settings menu and that was what was causing the problem. As mentioned by a couple of people above. HDMI ports 2 and 3 are the only inputs that support "Enhanced HDMI" which supports inputs at 4k 60p, 4:2:0 10bit, 4:4:4 and 4:2:2. I have no idea what the last two sets of numbers mean. So my 4k PVR for some reason doesn't provide a high enough quality signal to satisfy this setting. On the other hand my Xbox One S immediately recognized the higher quality connection and offered to change settings accordingly. The only setting I had to manually change was to change the bit depth to 10 bit. The PS4 also recognized the updated connection automatically. So my final setup ended up as HDMI 1: Apple TV/ HDMI 2: PS4/ HDMI 3: XBOX One S/ HDMI 4: 4k PVR Cable box.

Picture Quality:

I have Bell Fibe TV at home which provides Fibre Optic cable right into my home (FTTH). The Fibre comes out of my wall and into my router which then connects to the PVR via ethernet.

HD sources are beautifully upscaled but I would say that one definitely needs to calibrate the TV in order to get the best out of it. Maybe I'm just not used to seeing colours pop like they do on this screen but sometimes I find the picture too warm. Red's and Blue's pop like nothing else and it can be jarring. I also watched the latest episode of Better Call Saul last night and was just stunned by the contrast. I have turned the brightness down to 35 (MAX 50) otherwise it burns my eyes. 4k Broadcast Sources look outstanding. This is the first time I've seen 4k and I'm blown away. I watched some 4k Hockey Broadcasts last night and could actually see the scratches on the ice from the skates. Netflix 4k UHD and Amazon Prime 4k UHD also look amazing. I tested "The Grand Tour" on Amazon Prime, the episode where they are in dune buggies in Namibia and it felt like I was there.

I have just ordered the Alien Anthology on Blue Ray and am going to test the 4k Transfers of Alien and Aliens through my Xbox One S. Those films are extremely dark so I'm sure it will provide adequate black level torture tests. Just in time for Alien Covenant.

Sound:

My TV is connected to a Sonos 5.1 setup via optical cable which includes a Playbar, a Sub and 2 Play 1's for the rear channels. Going through the advanced settings in the 'Sound Adjustment' menu the TV recommended that I set 'Dolby Digital Plus' setting to 'Dolby Digital' only if I was using optical out. The sound coming out of my Sonos is marginally better under this TV as compared to the old one using the same Sonos setup. This might change as I test more material. I did not test the built in speakers as I don't intend to use them. The nice thing is that I can use the TV remote to control the Sonos volume and use the volume bar on the TV. This was not possible on my old TV.

So all in all so far I am ecstatic to take the leap into 4K and OLED. The TV is fantastic.

Some pics below of my setup old and new. Note for the pics that have content on them. They were taken live and not by pausing any material.

Old Setup (XBR55HX909):







New A1E:







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They look to be placed almost to the edge. Can anyone measure their placement, edge-to-edge? Hard to tell, but they're maybe 1/4" long? I suppose if they aren't removable, and are integral to stability, I can place a suitably-sized gripping material to accommodate them overhanging my 56" stand that I wish to continue using.
Ah, ok. Here's what the trustedreview site says about it hanging over the sides of a smaller stand (seems ok):

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The A1 has no feet. This OLED is designed to sit directly on your AV rack or table. I find this preferable to the feet-wide-apart school of TV design, which calls for a park bench to place your TV upon. The 65-inch Sony A1 measures 145cm wide, while my test bench measures 120cm – but it sat comfortably, even when I gave the bench a good shake.

This stability can be attributed to the kick-stand on the TV's back. Unlike other kick-stands I've seen recently – such as the one on the Nintendo Switch – this one is robust. It's a 4cm-thick slab of hard plastic, which houses most of the TV's brains, and is attached to the TV via a hinge that's more hefty than the one on my front door.

At the bottom is a metal bar that screws in place to ensure the kick-stand maintains a rigid A-frame. The kick-stand's bottom segment, which you must attach yourself, serves as extra ballast and takes the total weight to 36kg. It might look delicate, but the Sony A1 will not fall off your TV rack without significant effort.

Read more at http://www.trustedreviews.com/sony-a...6ZZL4vhVoTs.99
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Yes, it's possible to send only the center signal to the tv, but it's practical or desirable only if the tv can play analog audio over hdmi video. In that case, get a receiver with pre outs, take the RCA Center Channel pre out and split it into left and right with an RCA splitter, connect the newly split LR signals into the TV's included analog adapter cable, and plug into the tv. This causes the tv to reproduce center channel content, but again, unless the tv can overlay that analog sound onto the HDMI video, it won't work in practice.

There are probably other ways with HTPCs or other equipment as well, and those might actually work but I don't know enough to tell you about them.
If you use one of the new UHD players, like the LG UP970, doesn't it have two HDMI outs (one for the display and one for an AVR). This was originally intended to address non-HDCP 2.2 compliant AVRs but I imagine you could use it to split the audio signal while keeping video synced. Anyone have one of these or equivalent that could test this? The signal from the HDMI cable from the player to the display should continue to transmit audio / video, therefore the center channel should continue to operate as normal (stereo). The audio portion could then be used for DTS, 7.1, etc....
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@kkapoor Great pics, really shows how the A1E makes a big difference in presentation without a bottom stand.

You get a lot of ambient light but blacks still look amazing, enjoy.
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The Sony looks good in the pics.

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