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How do I get the 25mbps AL? Do I call Netflix ?


That's just the bitrate of the video you're receiving your speed is fine. Unless Netflix upgrades we'll probably never see an 25mbps stream.

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The firmware notification "app" appeared on my home screen on my z9. It references all the 2017 tvs so you guys should have it now as well. The update is coming "after 5/2017" and will bring a new task switcher, new settings menu, picture in picture, and HLG HDR support over USB and hdmi.
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How much you guys think the 77 inch A1E will be don't know if to just go for the 65 inch or wait a couple of months ?
Check out the Sony Premium Website below.

Sony A1E 77" as of today is $14,999.00. Less expensive then 77" LG G7.



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How do I get the 25mbps AL? Do I call Netflix ?


Fyi, Netflix tops out at 15.26 Mbps for 4khdr. They want you to have 25 Mbps minimum bandwidth so you can also do other stuff while your movie is streaming.


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Tried WI-fi on my Tivo and went to a MOCA connection. I will have a Ethernet connection before the A1 arrives.
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How much you guys think the 77 inch A1E will be don't know if to just go for the 65 inch or wait a couple of months ?
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The funny part is you really do not see any dealer's stating that price just yet. I would not be surprised if that is raised from 14,999. It has happened in the past. OLED77G6P Just took a big hit though.......
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Fyi, Netflix tops out at 15.6 Mbps for 4khdr. They want you to have 25 Mbps minimum bandwidth so you can also do other stuff while your movie is streaming.


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Can I mix and match commands from various sony remotes? I'm curious is the picture mode command from my old sony remote still work on the A1 (doubtful, the OS is completely different).


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that would only be possible if the Sony had an analog in.



Basically with hdcp a device can either pass along a signal, or decode it, but never both. So it's disallowed to decrypt the audio stream and then digitally transport a portion of it to another device.



This is done to prevent piracy but we all know how this anti consumer approach worked out in the end, and yet we are still stuck with situations like these.


If there was a terminal in on the tv speaker system that accepted speaker cable, it could be done pretty easily. It's not common, bit has been done and isn't very complicated as far as I know.

That may have been pre HDCP though


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Where did you hear this from? Doesn't sound correct

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Do a search for Netflix 15.26 Mbps and you'll get a ton of stories on it. Here's one:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.pocke...ontent.amphtml

I ran a bandwidth check by clicking the info button on the a1e and that is indeed my bitrate. And I have a solid 250mbps down cable internet.


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Do a search for Netflix 15.6 Mbps and you'll get a ton of stories on it. Here's one:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.pocke...ontent.amphtml

I ran a bandwidth check by clicking the info button on the a1e and that is indeed my bitrate. And I have a solid 250mbps down cable internet.


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Im getting 15.26 now on Netflix watching 4K
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Im getting 15.26 now on Netflix watching 4K


I think they are using a completely different codec than Blu ray so even though it's not streaming at 25 Mbps, doesn't mean the image is degraded as much as one would think. It still looks great just a little noisier IMO


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I think they are using a completely different codec than Blu ray so I've though is not streaming at 25 Mbps, doesn't mean the image is degraded as much as one would think. It still looks great just a little noisier IMO


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Netflix is using VP9/H.265 for their streams, which is the codec family used to get 4K video on BD media..

This is why the bitrate seems low but Netflix would have to use 2X the bitrate if they delivered using the older SDR BD H.264.
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I think they are using a completely different codec than Blu ray so I've though is not streaming at 25 Mbps, doesn't mean the image is degraded as much as one would think. It still looks great just a little noisier IMO


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Noise in some Netflix UHD series is not due to heavy compression.
It's camera sensor noise (more or less reduced or emphasized during video editing) and, in some case, it is even intentionally added to mimic film grain.

The fact that you can see fine noise in Netflix UHD content is actually a good sign.
Compression tend not to preserve fine noise correctly (random high frequencies, that a lot of budget in terms of bitrate).
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Noise in some Netflix UHD series is not due to heavy compression.

It's camera sensor noise (more or less reduced or emphasized during video editing) and, in some case, it is even intentionally added to mimic film grain.



The fact that you can see fine noise in Netflix UHD content is actually a good sign.

Compression tend not to preserve fine noise correctly (random high frequencies, that a lot of budget in terms of bitrate).


Fair. I meant compression noise.


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If there was a terminal in on the tv speaker system that accepted speaker cable, it could be done pretty easily. It's not common, bit has been done and isn't very complicated as far as I know.

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It is a bummer that you can't use the TV as center channel, it makes so much sense for localizing voice to the actors. As I have posted before (so why not again), it makes the TV the equivalent of an audio transparent projection screen. Maybe if enough people talk about it, Sony will come up with a work around.
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Watching the movie Drive from my VUDU account on the A1 in Cinema Pro.. I've watched this movie a few times on my other OLEDs from the BD...

I thought about the banter that enters this thread about this TV and I'm going to go on ahead and express this IS the perfect TV.

It's just simple.. you buy an A1 if you want the perfect TV.. all the talk about stands, tilts.. gray slides, there's no doubt this is the best TV I've ever seen in my life.

I was watching my W7 for some time yesterday and I think I managed to get the motion just right. The W7 HDR Effect picture mode is excellent.. and brings it close to the A1 IMO, with the key word being "close".

There is NOTHING touching the A1E folks.. understand.. I am a content watcher.. I have over 1K HDX movies in my VUDU account, 2000 BDs.. access pretty much to any and all movies ever made...

This damn thing looks like a perfect plasma TV.. anyone who can't see that quality in this TV doesn't deserve to own one.
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I'm so surprised that there is no discussion over this "big" difference between the Sony and the LG. So after looking at a lot of content on the A1 and the LG, Sony is providing the "Smoothing" control under the Clarity menu. If you turn it off, you will see banding with some content, especially cable. If you turn it On, then the banding goes away. I wish I had a demo video to show this but you can really see this will lower bit rate content in sky scenes, etc..

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I'm so surprised that there is no discussion over this "big" difference between the Sony and the LG. So after looking at a lot of content on the A1 and the LG, Sony is providing the "Smoothing" control under the Clarity menu. If you turn it off, you will see banding with some content, especially cable. If you turn it On, then the banding goes away. I wish I had a demo video to show this but you can really see this will lower bit rate content in sky scenes, etc..
That is the super bit mapping of the X1E processor right?
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That is the super bit mapping of the X1E processor right?
yes, it is upsampling and doing 14bit processing on the picture, looking for and smoothing banding in gradients. You can control it with the "smooth gradation" setting.

It's really quite effective although I found that settings higher than "low" can smear some fine details.
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yes, it is upsampling and doing 14bit processing on the picture, looking for and smoothing banding in gradients. You can control it with the "smooth gradation" setting.



It's really quite effective although I found that settings higher than "low" can smear some fine details.


Agreed. It is fantastic on low and does not add measurable input lag in game mode (<16ms for smooth and bfi)


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I'm so surprised that there is no discussion over this "big" difference between the Sony and the LG. So after looking at a lot of content on the A1 and the LG, Sony is providing the "Smoothing" control under the Clarity menu. If you turn it off, you will see banding with some content, especially cable. If you turn it On, then the banding goes away. I wish I had a demo video to show this but you can really see this will lower bit rate content in sky scenes, etc..

I found the jpg below that shows what i'm talking about. I think this is a pretty significant plus for the Sony. If you have Smoothing Off then you get the picture on the left, On you get the picture on the right.


Such key processing differences for videophiles were actually discussed a lot towards the beginning of the thread. It's one of the reasons why most have chosen the Sony over LG. It'll be interesting to see if Panasonic's HCX2 chip will achieve similar results to Sony's X1E.
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I would have paid 2X for it and been happy as I am now.

that's what I always say, LG brings a bad picture !!!
Processing a bad image !
UPSCALE image is worse !

but when i write the truth here, the publicists and shops curse and shout!
5 years LG brings a bad picture

it is interesting whether there will be OLED 12 BIT in 2018
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Interested in this TV for PC gaming.

I understand the input lag is 29ms for 4K @ 60 Hz 4:4:4, is that correct? Also using HDR?

Can anyone explain the "clearness" black frame insertion setting on this TV? Is it double strobing 60 Hz causing a double image? Is it single strobing 60 Hz and causing noticeable flicker? Is it frame interpolating to 120 Hz and single strobing at 120 Hz?

How much is the input lag raised by the BFI clearness setting?
The Clearness High setting does not cause flickering or double imaging to any game I've played. I've tested a variety of setting on my PC (4k 60hz 444, 1080p120hz, 2k60hz) with a multitude of games including my PS4, Wii U and PS3. I haven't seen a single game with Flickering or Ghosting/double imaging. The only time I've seen flickering is when Clearness is set to high on a film (and you really don't need it as the true cinema motion setting handles motion for films/shows perfectly). So Clearness makes 60fps games shine by keeping things in focus and eliminating so much motion blur (as clear as my Plasma VT60) but it doesn't have as big as an impact on 30fps (still no flickering/ghosting) because by their very nature they can't really stay in focus during motion but Clearness on high still makes a difference just not as big as on a 60fps game.

I can't tell you the details of how the BFI works on the A1E as I am not that technically knowledgeable I can only tell you what I experience.
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That is a big difference. Does smoothing on cause any negative effects?

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Such key processing differences for videophiles were actually discussed a lot towards the beginning of the thread. It's one of the reasons why most have chosen the Sony over LG. It'll be interesting to see if Panasonic's HCX2 chip will achieve similar results to Sony's X1E.
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That is a big difference. Does smoothing on cause any negative effects?
I've not seen any anomalies that cause me concern with Smooth Gradation = Low which is all I use.

This default setting for me was quickly better than turning it off. Others have reported some amount of blurring and loss of detail as this setting is increased to the other extreme (which makes sense to me, just thinking through the interpolation this setting is controlling, so I have not tried living with higher settings for long.)
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Watching the movie Drive from my VUDU account on the A1 in Cinema Pro.. I've watched this movie a few times on my other OLEDs from the BD...

I thought about the banter that enters this thread about this TV and I'm going to go on ahead and express this IS the perfect TV.

It's just simple.. you buy an A1 if you want the perfect TV.. all the talk about stands, tilts.. gray slides, there's no doubt this is the best TV I've ever seen in my life.

I was watching my W7 for some time yesterday and I think I managed to get the motion just right. The W7 HDR Effect picture mode is excellent.. and brings it close to the A1 IMO, with the key word being "close".

There is NOTHING touching the A1E folks.. understand.. I am a content watcher.. I have over 1K HDX movies in my VUDU account, 2000 BDs.. access pretty much to any and all movies ever made...

This damn thing looks like a perfect plasma TV.. anyone who can't see that quality in this TV doesn't deserve to own one.
So far reviews hasnt proven you claimes
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