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Hmm, this review says using motion-flow frame interpolation raises the input lag to an unbearable 100+ms:

https://www.avforums.com/review/sony...v-review.13313

What is the relationship of the motion-flow and "Clearness" setting?
There is no difference with input lag with Clearness on high or low or off (in game.mode). Clearness is the only option available in game mode when you turn on motion flow, it disables whatever else motion flow does while in game mode so it doesn't add any processing hence no increase in input lag. I didn't look at the review but if you enable motion flow in any other mode it is not just turning on Clearness, everything is enabled and thus all that processing is adding to the input lag..which is already higher since you aren't in game mode.
Somebody mentioned they saw slight flickering on the title of Horizon in the white area (apparently not in-game as they mentioned just the title screen) but I didn't have any flickering on the title screen (and Im not insensitive to flickering) so not sure what's going on there.
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Does anyone know if the A1 will output sound to tv speakers and optical out or arc simultaneously. Or if an owner could check. Would help with my install wiring before tv arrives - none on display in UK near me yet so can't check
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The choice is tv speakers or audio out. You cannot select both. No simultaneous sound using just the Sony.

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I have an issue with this Sony. Everytime I want to watch Blu-rays the TV either displays a blue or pink hue with the picture. I have to turn everything off and back on again several times in order to get it to work properly. Any ideas to what's happening?
I have an Oppo 203 and a Denon 6300 all hooked up to the HDMI 2 on the TV.
I have a similar setup -- A1E HDMI 3 -> Denon X4300H -> All other components including my OPPO UDP-203. I've had zero issues since A1E installation.

BUT... I did have issues with various anomalies requiring me to power on/off components, before my A1E and it's new 25' premium high-speed HDMI were installed to the AVR. I have only Monoprice certified premium high-speed HDMI between components and the AVR. I firmly believe my 10 YO plasma and/or my old HDMI 1.3-era cable were my problem. The only other thing I found after installing my A1E (and first 4K TV) was my Roku would not initially pass HDCP 2.2 handshake as I tried to configure it for 4K -- that was resolved by reseating the HDMI cable going into the Roku (the certified premium Monoprice cables are pretty stiff, and the HDMI connector is upside down from the way the cable wanted to lay without some coaxing.)

NET: Rule out your cables and their connectivity being a possible issue. Good luck.
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An order has been placed for the 65" version with a delivery date set to 18th of May
The strange thing in Norway is that the A1 is a couple of hundred dollars cheaper then the C7.
How to make time go fast until the 18th??
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Got the 55" A1E from my military exchange for only $3,299 and also picked up the 55" C7 for $2,299 and no tax. Will be an interesting side-by-side.
I just had BB match the price of the exchange. Happy with the TV so far, just wished they had left some space on the bottom (I want to keep my fingers intact) for when you place the TV on it's stand. Which also brings another point... when placed on the stand the TV is not on a 90 degree angle (I'm guessing it's because of the weight) which doesn't affect viewing but will take time getting used to the reclining screen.
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An order has been placed for the 65" version with a delivery date set to 18th of May
The strange thing in Norway is that the A1 is a couple of hundred dollars cheaper then the C7.
How to make time go fast until the 18th??
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Says there in stock at Elkjøp the 55" and 65" A1 now.
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I have 2 sources that say this is the correct price. Sony could change though.
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Says there in stock at Elkjøp the 55" and 65" A1 now.


Yep that is where i bought it from.
Hopefully they can deliver sooner.
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Anyone have any comments on the Cinemotion control? By default it's set to high but i'm not exactly sure what it's supposed to do. I wish Sony would have some documentation on their controls lol
cinemotion low is detection and proper handling of 24fps content in 60hz signal. Medium and highbrefer to frame interpolation in the control description, but enabling them do not seem to cause SOE.

I use low since there are no downsides.

That said, if you read rtings review of the z9, it seems the cinemotion. Control does nothing as the z9 does not handle 24fps in 60hz content correctly. I believe the 930e got a passing grade there so maybe the A1 is ok.
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I just had BB match the price of the exchange. Happy with the TV so far, just wished they had left some space on the bottom (I want to keep my fingers intact) for when you place the TV on it's stand. Which also brings another point... when placed on the stand the TV is not on a 90 degree angle (I'm guessing it's because of the weight) which doesn't affect viewing but will take time getting used to the reclining screen.


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BB just denied Price match for Shopmyexchange.com They said their store had to be within 25-mile radius. Closest store is in Dallas. Typically, BB does NOT price match members only stores.
You can still negotiate. I have in the past. It wouldn't hurt. You can always walk out go somewhere else or another bb
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Hey so does anyone know how many hours before the A1E does it's first compensation cycle?

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I know starting from 1000 nit peak brightness is great for LED , But i don't know what is the best peak brightness for OLED to make it brighter like LED ?
What is the peak brightness ( number of nits ) for :- Sony A1E / LG OLED G7P / Sony Z9D ?

Thanks in advance
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BB just denied Price match for Shopmyexchange.com They said their store had to be within 25-mile radius. Closest store is in Dallas. Typically, BB does NOT price match members only stores.


my question is why would Best Buy honor a price match guarantee for something you are not eligible to buy at that price ?


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I know starting from 1000 nit peak brightness is great for LED , But i don't know what is the best peak brightness for OLED to make it brighter like LED ?
What is the peak brightness ( number of nits ) for :- Sony A1E / LG OLED G7P / Sony Z9D ?

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That is going to depend on how you measure nits. The most common method is with a 10% window, and there a Z9D will do around 1800 while the OLED are going to be in the 650-750 range, depending on the panel you got.

However, if you do a highlight inside of real content you'll start to see more differences. The Z9D will still top, but the OLEDs won't drop at all while some other LCDs that aren't full-array backlights can have a significant drop-off. There are many ways to measure peak nits, but it doesn't always mean the number is going to align with real-world content.
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That is going to depend on how you measure nits. The most common method is with a 10% window, and there a Z9D will do around 1800 while the OLED are going to be in the 650-750 range, depending on the panel you got.

However, if you do a highlight inside of real content you'll start to see more differences. The Z9D will still top, but the OLEDs won't drop at all while some other LCDs that aren't full-array backlights can have a significant drop-off. There are many ways to measure peak nits, but it doesn't always mean the number is going to align with real-world content.
And with OLED - the blacks are BLACK.

So in movie theater viewing conditions - the highlights (brightness) will appear brighter than their nit value in comparison to LCD TVs.

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And with OLED - the blacks are BLACK.

So in movie theater viewing conditions - the highlights (brightness) will appear brighter than their nit value in comparison to LCD TVs.
Still less bright hdr details
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That is going to depend on how you measure nits. The most common method is with a 10% window, and there a Z9D will do around 1800 while the OLED are going to be in the 650-750 range, depending on the panel you got.

However, if you do a highlight inside of real content you'll start to see more differences. The Z9D will still top, but the OLEDs won't drop at all while some other LCDs that aren't full-array backlights can have a significant drop-off. There are many ways to measure peak nits, but it doesn't always mean the number is going to align with real-world content.
This is a pretty important point. FALD without sufficient zones will either have bad black levels around highlights in HDR, or will have significantly reduced highlights.

In fact, here's a summary of 12 recent TV tested by rtings with 10% window and "real scene" peak brightness



It quickly becomes clear that the "LCD HDR brightness advantage" is only reserved for a small portion of the high end market. The further to the left that a dot is from the black line, the more of a drop off you'll see in real content vs the standard 10% window brightness test.

(source: http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/pictu...ness?uxtv=b5d0 sets included in graph: Sony Z9D, Sony X930E, Sony X900E, Vizio P Series 2016, Sony X700D, Samsung MU8000, Samsung Q7F, LG B6, LG C6, LG E6, LC C7)

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That is going to depend on how you measure nits. The most common method is with a 10% window, and there a Z9D will do around 1800 while the OLED are going to be in the 650-750 range, depending on the panel you got.

However, if you do a highlight inside of real content you'll start to see more differences. The Z9D will still top, but the OLEDs won't drop at all while some other LCDs that aren't full-array backlights can have a significant drop-off. There are many ways to measure peak nits, but it doesn't always mean the number is going to align with real-world content.
Thank u for your reply . Through what I see i can say a little more of brightness For current OLEDs (1000 - 1200 nits ) , they can beat any LED TVS .
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Still less bright hdr details
In reality, a LCD TV is not being viewed at its max brightness, it would wash out the black details.

I would say an OLED brightness is more effective in HDR than a LCD brightness because if the LCD want to achieve any kind of acceptable black level performance, the brightness controls must be hedged.

LCD have to find some way to keep those black aspect ratio bars in most films black, right?
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True but we still missing details in the bright parts the lcds can show.
Looks still good but can be improved on in future gens of oleds.
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The choice is tv speakers or audio out. You cannot select both. No simultaneous sound using just the Sony.
Are you sure? Normally the optical out is always "live" on TVs?
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Are you sure? Normally the optical out is always "live" on TVs?
Can anyone with an A1E try this and find out for sure? Thanks
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There is no difference with input lag with Clearness on high or low or off (in game.mode). Clearness is the only option available in game mode when you turn on motion flow, it disables whatever else motion flow does while in game mode so it doesn't add any processing hence no increase in input lag. I didn't look at the review but if you enable motion flow in any other mode it is not just turning on Clearness, everything is enabled and thus all that processing is adding to the input lag..which is already higher since you aren't in game mode.
Somebody mentioned they saw slight flickering on the title of Horizon in the white area (apparently not in-game as they mentioned just the title screen) but I didn't have any flickering on the title screen (and Im not insensitive to flickering) so not sure what's going on there.
Ya, there is some dynamic here that I have to get to the bottom of. I am a motion clarity whore.

I hope it doesn't flicker/strobe at 60 Hz or that would make my purchase a complete waste of time!
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This is a pretty important point. FALD without sufficient zones will either have bad black levels around highlights in HDR, or will have significantly reduced highlights.

In fact, here's a summary of 12 recent TV tested by rtings with 10% window and "real scene" peak brightness

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It quickly becomes clear that the "LCD HDR brightness advantage" is only reserved for a small portion of the high end market. The further to the left that a dot is from the black line, the more of a drop off you'll see in real content vs the standard 10% window brightness test.

(source: http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/pictu...ness?uxtv=b5d0 sets included in graph: Sony Z9D, Sony X930E, Sony X900E, Vizio P Series 2016, Sony X700D, Samsung MU8000, Samsung Q7F, LG B6, LG C6, LG E6, LC C7)

:edit: fixed axis scales
I went to Rtings and grabbed some of the data as well, but charted differently. Looking to see what falls off the most with real scene content, a few things stand out:

- The 2017 OLEDs so better than 2016 it seems
- Vizio gains brightness in the test
- The largest drop-off is the full array Samsung, which is surprising

I'm sure Rtings will test the Sony and we will see how it does.
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I just received my 65" A1E last eve. Awesome picture! I have a newb question. I have not seen any 4k content. I have Ethernet plugged in. On Amazon, I went to "The Grand Tour", but the bottom bar reads 1080p. I tried Standard and Cinema Pro. Any other free content I might check? What am I doing wrong? Thanks
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I went to Rtings and grabbed some of the data as well, but charted differently. Looking to see what falls off the most with real scene content, a few things stand out:

- The 2017 OLEDs so better than 2016 it seems
- Vizio gains brightness in the test
- The largest drop-off is the full array Samsung, which is surprising

I'm sure Rtings will test the Sony and we will see how it does.
good stuff. For me the key takeaway is that if you care about HDR and aren't buying a z9, you should get oled.

The 930e has too few zones and has blooming in subtitles and hdr movies so is disqualified (in my view). All other LCD have minimal/no brightness advantage over oled.

I'd like to see Sony 940e and Samsung q9 as well
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Yep, and that the problem, its happened before.........

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I'm not digging at over a 4K price tag.

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