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Re-read what I quoted. They were suggesting that 1080p -> 4K upscaling done by the TV was probably better. I don't think you and I disagree here.



They probably do (see GPU scaling input lag on Google), but it's also a lot less than the ~1 frame of input lag the A1E is adding when doing 1080p -> 4K.
Ah, I gotcha, I missed that part. And yeah, I agree, best to just let your console upscale its own output. At this stage in the game I think both consoles do a passable job of upscaling 1080p
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This is what it is driving me crazy. I'm ready to buy but trying to hold out for the Panasonic EZ series which comes sometime in the fall and now my local HT store has this beauty sitting just calling my name.
Best advice, decide on whether Dolby Vision is a requirement for you. If it is, just get the Sony and start enjoying. If not, wait to compare the two (and agonize over that decision then ).
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Best advice, decide on whether Dolby Vision is a requirement for you. If it is, just get the Sony and start enjoying. If not, wait to compare the two (and agonize over that decision then ).
True but the other issue now that I'm seeing more and more postings is the distance away from the wall when mounting seems like it sticks out pretty far. I have to find a store that has one wall mounted to go see in person.

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$40 on Amazon for a tabletop VESA stand is a easy way to make the TV look like a generic flat screen TV from Sam's Club.


I don't mind the concept, I don't mind the angle, I just still haven't figured out a solution for my center channel speaker since the TV sound can't replace the center and I can't do a wall mount above the TV. Looks like I will have to get a tabletop VESA stand but if the A1E is as good as you say, I won't be looking at the stand, right???


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Some people like vivid...

A lot more than you would think.

They are, obviously, not AVS members located in the OLED forum for the most part.
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If the set is to bright you will have to tone it down, who wants to wear shades while watching a TV.....
Of course, I'm simply commenting on BB's poor marketing decision to place the OLED immediately below the Z9D LCD on the brightly lit sales floor. The average shopper will be drawn to the LCD's superior brightness. They should have placed it in Magnolia where the displays are not placed in torch mode and shoppers can see the advantages of OLED.
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I don't remember this being posted and can't find it on Sony's site. What is the length of the actuator bar in the 55in model? I may set one in a bookcase unit. The screen can be in front of the unit and the stand would still work. However if the actuator bar would also need to be in front, it would push the TV screen out too far and I'd have to do some carpentry or buy a stand (which frankly I might do anyway). Any help, please?
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When I saw the Z9D, it was in vivid and looked grossly blown and clipping.. The blacks had a tint of dark gray.. A1E is perfect, Z9D is sloppy when the levels are at the A1E or over.
Perhaps, but not at my BB and I'm surely not defending the Vivid mode in LCD or OLED. First off, the demo material at my BB had no blacks, everything was bright, brighter and brightest. So in that case, advantage LCD.

Al, in all honesty, I find it hard to believe that as soon as you raise Z9D levels over those of the A1E, the picture gets 'sloppy'. C'mon, there's no bigger OLED advocate on AVS than me, but you're in total denial about the advantages of LCD. The Z9D can be brighter than the A1E without being 'sloppy'...and trust me, I'd buy an A1E long before a Z9D.
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C'mon, there's no bigger OLED advocate on AVS than me, but you're in total denial about the advantages of LCD. The Z9D can be brighter than the A1E without being 'sloppy'...and trust me, I'd buy an A1E long before a Z9D.
The Z9D (and all LCDs) doesn't emit heat when in operation? Can the Z9D do a complete movie with black bars and no halo?

The thickness of the Z9D isn't kind of 2006'ish?

I'm just saying, when someone says a TV of the "future", these LCDs are limousines fighting for relevancy with flying cars.
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I don't mind the concept, I don't mind the angle, I just still haven't figured out a solution for my center channel speaker since the TV sound can't replace the center and I can't do a wall mount above the TV. Looks like I will have to get a tabletop VESA stand but if the A1E is as good as you say, I won't be looking at the stand, right???


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Don't modern UHD players have a separate HDMI audio out for you receiver along with the native HDMI cable to the A1E with A/V HDMI? In this case, the A1E center channel is playing stereo while your receiver replicates all the other channels. It's a clunky trick, may even cause confusing sound, but it's worth a shot.

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When assembling this TV, one places the front glass section down into a slot in the metal bar that goes back to the kickstand. I just want to confirm that one does not tighten down the front of the slot. Certainly the instructions do not indicate this.

I mean the slot shown on the left in the enclosed image.

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This is what it is driving me crazy. I'm ready to buy but trying to hold out for the Panasonic EZ series which comes sometime in the fall and now my local HT store has this beauty sitting just calling my name.
Best advice, decide on whether Dolby Vision is a requirement for you. If it is, just get the Sony and start enjoying. If not, wait to compare the two (and agonize over that decision then ).
So it's confirmed the Panasonic will never get dolby vision in an update? If yes this is a no go for me even if I prefer SDR for now because mosr sources are SDR.

Some UHD blu-ray with dolby vision are coming soon and games will probably use it at some point too. A1E or LG seems more future proof.

Edit: I just read that panasonic is confident on managing the screen to only use hdr10 and hlg. I also read elsewhere that dolby vision content will work on hdr10 tvs? Are they saying it will ignore the dv flags and show it in SDR or are they saying some kind of DV to HDR10 on-the-fly conversion will take place?

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The Z9D (and all LCDs) doesn't emit heat when in operation? Can the Z9D do a complete movie with black bars and no halo?

The thickness of the Z9D isn't kind of 2006'ish?

I'm just saying, when someone says a TV of the "future", these LCDs are limousines fighting for relevancy with flying cars.
I agree. LCD cannot compare.
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Yeah, I'm wondering what options there are (if any) for wall mounting to minimize the thickness...
LG OTW420B is 0.9"
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Depth of Panel

I mentioned in my upthread post from last week that my 55" A1E sits about 1/2" further out on my wall using the same mount, than my previous plasma did. Since there continue to be questions, below is a purposely totally-blown-out photo I took a few days ago (without removing my side speakers also mounted to my fireplace) so you can see how the panel is hanging. It's attached to my old 400x200 VESA mount which is far from being low-profile itself. Note I have the panel tilted down slightly which helps give me a better direct view where my prime seat is located, but causes the panel to hang a bit further out at the bottom than at the top.

Net is, the back of the physical panel itself is roughly 3 1/8" out from where it attaches to the VESA mount. That's the best I can do squeezing my hands in to measure. If a more critical measurement is required, I suggest you contact Sony or measure at your local store.

...and yes, as I said before, this is a THICK panel if you want to wall mount -- definitely not best-of-breed in that regard. Hopefully Sony changes the design a bit in future models to improve this -- it's really my only somewhat significant complaint with my otherwise AWESOME panel.
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The Z9D (and all LCDs) doesn't emit heat when in operation? Can the Z9D do a complete movie with black bars and no halo?

The thickness of the Z9D isn't kind of 2006'ish?

I'm just saying, when someone says a TV of the "future", these LCDs are limousines fighting for relevancy with flying cars.
you're trying too hard. and losing credibility in the process.
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True but the other issue now that I'm seeing more and more postings is the distance away from the wall when mounting seems like it sticks out pretty far. I have to find a store that has one wall mounted to go see in person.


I posted a while back. I'm using the lg OTW420B mount. It's .9" depth. Probably the thinest you can get. Here's a pic. Still it's about 4.5" from wall. No way to get it closer.




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you're trying too hard. and losing credibility in the process.
I can buy 2000 75" Z9D today.. in cash.. and then 2000 Q9 more.. why should I care?
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Don't modern UHD players have a separate HDMI audio out for you receiver along with the native HDMI cable to the A1E with A/V HDMI? In this case, the A1E center channel is playing stereo while your receiver replicates all the other channels. It's a clunky trick, may even cause confusing sound, but it's worth a shot.

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That's exactly what I'm going to try to do, whenever I get to see the A1E. It would be a lot nicer if Sony would allow us to use the TV as just a center channel, but it'll be interesting to see if this works.

As you mention, having the full stereo, and not just center channel, from the TV, may not sound right. But, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

I don't know why Sony didn't put this into the TV, they have to know that many, if not most, people who spend this amount of money on a TV, will use surround sound.

Anyone who has one want to try this and let us know how it sounds?
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I can buy 2000 75" Z9D today.. in cash.. and then 2000 Q9 more.. why should I care?
2,000 75 Z9D's...$16,000,000.....cash.
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2,000 75 Z9D's...$16,000,000.....cash.
Yawn This is AVS Forum.. where they report on $200K speakers yes?

Would it be surprising people with wherewithal to actually buy the high-end gear reported here know how to use a computer and human enough to post on forums?
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Appreciate the added pictures of the tv wall mounted. How does it look from the front?


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...How does it look from the front?...
A quick scan of this thread will reveal a number of photos upthread, e.g. at the bottom o the post, is one of mine from a week ago: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ole...l#post52618353
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RTINGS The Sony A1 OLED TV can display 24p movies over 24p sources like DVDs, Blu-rays and native streaming apps without judder. Unfortunately, 24p movies playing via 60p or 60i sources like cable or satellite boxes do present an occasional judder, even with 'Motionflow' set to 'True Cinema' and 'CineMotion' set to 'High'. On top of that, some motion interpolation artifacts can be seen, something that is usually not present with these settings on Sony TVs.
Good lord, did they use an LG chip?
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The Sony A1 OLED TV can display 24p movies over 24p sources like DVDs, Blu-rays and native streaming apps without judder. Unfortunately, 24p movies playing via 60p or 60i sources like cable or satellite boxes do present an occasional judder, even with 'Motionflow' set to 'True Cinema' and 'CineMotion' set to 'High'. On top of that, some motion interpolation artifacts can be seen, something that is usually not present with these settings on Sony TVs.


Good lord, did they use an LG chip?
I haven't noticed this at all on the A1 but in bunches on the W7.
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Well, seeing it have the same 24p cadence issues with 60i/p input as the 930E is somewhat depressing. Especially as LG has addressed that shortcoming in the 2017 models, and the Z9D doesn't have the problem. Some interesting ABL differences as well in favor of LG. Also interesting that the Sony handled the gradient test better.

But comments of better motion handling are still enough, for me. The differences where the LG is better aren't quite enough for me to give up the better motion processing. But also shows the A1E isn't magic either.

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But they rated LG C7 Movies 9.2 and HDR Movies 9.0 / Sony A1E Movies 9.0 and HDR Movies 8.6 ! why ?
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Good lord, did they use an LG chip?
The 930E has the same problem. I think their call that it is a bug is probably correct. Depressing, but suggests the software was being tweaked at the last minute before being shipped. The sort of short time frame you have to complete testing at the end of development is usually what lets regressions like this slip in.

I've seen it in projects I've worked on. Sadly very common when it is driven by a release date rather than a quality gate.

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