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Can' wait for OLED prices to come down to the masses.....
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65E6P will be that price soon enough. It only took a year for the B6P to get there.

I'm absolutely in no rush to upgrade. I'm smitten with the image from my current OLED. Patience and willpower are my forte.
65E6P is a 2016 model and one of the last two 65" OLEDs perhaps ever to feature 3D.

I would expect them to be discontinued and go out of stock long before they ever fall to $3K.

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Can' wait for OLED prices to come down to the masses.....
They already are - they're dirt cheap compared to anything of quality.

Compare their pricing to the only even remotely competitive in PQ LCD, the Sony Z9D models.
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They already are - they're dirt cheap compared to anything of quality.

Compare their pricing to the only even remotely competitive in PQ LCD, the Sony Z9D models.
I would hardly say any 77" OLED (the only close size) is "dirt cheap" compared to my 75" Z9D.

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Robert Zohn has confirmed that the Sony A1E has some sort of Black Frame Insertion option.

Robert very kindly contacted Sony engineers to enquire about the 'Black Frame Blinking' process listed in the spec sheet, and says he has been given directions on how to implement this and try out combinations of settings when the first batch of sets arrive on April 6.

Great news.

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65E6P is a 2006 model and one of the last two 65" OLEDs perhaps ever to feature 3D.

I would expect them to be discontinued and go out of stock long before they ever fall to $3K.
2006?
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Robert Zohn has confirmed that the Sony A1E has some sort of Black Frame Insertion option.

Robert very kindly contacted Sony engineers to enquire about the 'Black Frame Blinking' process listed in the spec sheet, and says he has been given directions on how to implement this and try out combinations of settings when the first batch of sets arrive on April 6.

Great news.

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That is good to see. Sony isn't afraid to offer users the choice, but I think expectations should be tempered in terms of total brightness with these options.

If it's anything like the BFI on the z9d the cost in light output can get pretty severe. Here's a table showing the light output reduction on my z9d using Sony's various "clearness" settings. I'd expect that we will see similar options and dropoff from peak on the A1E:

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2006?
LG sent them back in a time machine to take over the market even earlier. ;-)
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I would hardly say any 77" OLED (the only close size) is "dirt cheap" compared to my 75" Z9D.
Yes, the 77" is pricy, but:

LG 65E6P: MSRP $3499
Sony XBR-65Z9D: MSRP $5499.99
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Robert Zohn has confirmed that the Sony A1E has some sort of Black Frame Insertion option.

Robert very kindly contacted Sony engineers to enquire about the 'Black Frame Blinking' process listed in the spec sheet, and says he has been given directions on how to implement this and try out combinations of settings when the first batch of sets arrive on April 6.

Great news.

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Not sure how they can do that without extracting a huge brightness penalty. Even my very bright 940c becomes quite dim when its version of BFI is engaged.
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You won't find a 65E6P or even a 65EF9500 for $3K.

You can get a 65B6P for that though; MSRP is $2999.
The MSRP on a 65E6P is now less than 3.5k, so I think you'll be able to get one fairly easily(assuming there are any in stock). Hopefully that means the 2017s will come down fairly quickly and will be at 2.5k for an 65E7P by this time or maybe even Black Friday. Especially if their P10 plant comes online next year, might even make the Sony a bit cheaper.
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Not sure how they can do that without extracting a huge brightness penalty. Even my very bright 940c becomes quite dim when its version of BFI is engaged.
Did you read about the Philips OLED, Ken?

It's been claimed that they're employing some form of BFI to increase motion resolution from 300 lines to 650 without the artifacting that comes with frame interpolation and with no appreciable loss of brightness.

Would love to know what exactly it is that they're doing, and am keen to see what Sony have to offer.

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65E6P is a 2016 model and one of the last two 65" OLEDs perhaps ever to feature 3D.

I would expect them to be discontinued and go out of stock long before they ever fall to $3K.

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The MSRP on a 65E6P is now less than 3.5k, so I think you'll be able to get one fairly easily(assuming there are any in stock). Hopefully that means the 2017s will come down fairly quickly and will be at 2.5k for an 65E7P by this time or maybe even Black Friday. Especially if their P10 plant comes online next year, might even make the Sony a bit cheaper.
I got my E6 back in November for just under $3k, all in, from an authorized dealer.

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Did you read about the Philips OLED, Ken?

It's been claimed that they're employing some form of BFI to increase motion resolution from 300 lines to 650 without the artifacting that comes with frame interpolation and with no appreciable loss of brightness.

Would love to know what exactly it is that they're doing, and am keen to see what Sony have to offer.

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Ken's comment suggests that at best we will going to see a toned down version of BFI, '' Diet BFI '' so to speak. Might be a sort of mixture of which ''Diet BFI'' is a part.
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Yes, the 77" is pricy, but:

LG 65E6P: MSRP $3499
Sony XBR-65Z9D: MSRP $5499.99

65", do people still buy TVs that small?

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You can now pre-order the XBR65A1E for $6499.99 and the XBR55A1E for $4999.99 @best Buy with a Delivery date of 4/24/17

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65", do people still buy TVs that small?


Us common folk peasants still do! But really, I can't imagine anything bigger then 65 above my fireplace which is where I unfortunately have to put it.


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Us common folk peasants still do! But really, I can't imagine anything bigger then 65 above my fireplace which is where I unfortunately have to put it.


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I was of course joking. I have a 65" upper mid-tier Samsung in my livingroom but splurged on the 75" Z9D in my man cave (you only live once!).
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I got my E6 back in November for just under $3k, all in, from an authorized dealer.
I was trying to stick with quoting MSRPs.
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You can now pre-order the XBR65A1E for $6499.99 and the XBR55A1E for $4999.99 @best Buy with a Delivery date of 4/24/17


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Gosh! Who wodda thought 10 years ago a 55in TV could retail for 5 big salamis. WOW!
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Gosh! Who wodda thought 10 years ago a 55in TV could retail for 5 big salamis. WOW!
10 years ago Sony revealed the first OLED display at CES, and the HDTV market was just starting to become mainstream.

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I was trying to stick with quoting MSRPs.
I hear you. That's why I pointed out that it was from an authorized dealer, who can't sell for less than LG says. Just throwing that out there.

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Gosh! Who wodda thought 10 years ago a 55in TV could retail for 5 big salamis. WOW!
Are you saying that this is cheap or expensive? Hard to tell from your comment.

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Ken's comment suggests that at best we will going to see a toned down version of BFI, '' Diet BFI '' so to speak. Might be a sort of mixture of which ''Diet BFI'' is a part.
Perhaps the A1E will have an optional "rolling scan" similar to Sony's PVM/BVM OLED models?


http://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?t=3213


http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/oled-motion-blur/


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Yes, the 77" is pricy, but:

LG 65E6P: MSRP $3499
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correct but if you are a hard core gamer........Z9D
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correct but if you are a hard core gamer........Z9D
Why would a hardcore gamer choose the Z9? It's got more input lag.
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Less than a month to go.

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Amazon has the A1E listed as being made in Mexico. Is this true? I know some Sony TV's are assembled there but I would be shocked to see their OLED being assembled there.
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