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post #30211 of 35923 Old 06-25-2018, 09:36 PM
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if I already updated to 4.71.00 can I still install the Korean 4.70.90 version?...is the new 4.71.00 at least better then the last official US release, 4.70.36?
I'd guess not. Installing an older version would typically not be allowed.

And probably pointless, unless you miss IPV6. I presume that'll be back anyway in the near future.
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if I already updated to 4.71.00 can I still install the Korean 4.70.90 version?...is the new 4.71.00 at least better then the last official US release, 4.70.36?
The tv won’t let you go backwards to a lower number firmware. All you can do now, is wait to see if they come out with another version higher. Maybe Korean, maybe USA. This is why many people, especially if they don’t have any problems, don’t just automatically upgrade firmware simply because it’s “new”. That’s never a good reason to upgrade. Not everyone experiences problems. Not everyone needs to upgrade firmware. Until you know completely what changes, affects, fixes, enhancements, features, etc. a firmware is going to do, you shouldn’t just install it. Especially if you aren’t experiencing any significant problems. Going backwards on most firmware for most devices is almost impossible.

My tv has been telling me there’s an important firmware update for about 3 days now. Unfortunately, I don’t have a “bite me” button to press. So I just click no when I turn on the tv and it’s asks whether I want to upgrade or not. And NEVER have the automatic upgrade button selected. NEVER.

For your second part of the question. The .36 is so old, I’d say that the 4.71.0 is definitely better. BUT, if you’ve already installed it, it’s a moot point. Nothing you can do about it now.
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so the elevated black issue only affects 'Dolby Vision sources over HDMI'?...meaning if I'm using the TV's built in apps for Netflix, Vudu, Amazon etc I won't be affected?...also I find it hard to believe that if the latest Korean firmware fixed the issue then why would they release a version in the US which doesn't fix it?...makes no sense...aren't the same panels used in Korea and the USA?
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can anyone share their ps4 and xbox one picture settings for sdr and hdr?

I cant seem to get hdr to look right for gaming
Make sure you have your RGB and Black level settings matched correctly, especially for the PS4. Drove me nuts at first trying to figure out why my image looked too saturated.

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The same engineers who built out 4.70.90 also built 4.71.00. The higher revision # indicates a newer build. You can't reverse it, but why would you? I have not noticed anything amiss with elevated blacks from watching DV content via an HDMI source. It looks the same as 4.70.90 PQ-wise.

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone, but if one looks for imperfections, one will always find them, as nothing is perfect.
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so the elevated black issue only affects 'Dolby Vision sources over HDMI'?...meaning if I'm using the TV's built in apps for Netflix, Vudu, Amazon etc I won't be affected?...also I find it hard to believe that if the latest Korean firmware fixed the issue then why would they release a version in the US which doesn't fix it?...makes no sense...aren't the same panels used in Korea and the USA?


I’m not sure what the other poster was referring to regarding what was different between versions. The only report I have seen is that one show has elevated blacks during the title scene. I’ve tested Bright which I know was problematic before the update and that was fixed from what I could see.

That is correct regarding only via HDMI sources. Internal apps are unaffected by the bug.
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The same engineers who built out 4.70.90 also built 4.71.00. The higher revision # indicates a newer build. You can't reverse it, but why would you? I have not noticed anything amiss with elevated blacks from watching DV content via an HDMI source. It looks the same as 4.70.90 PQ-wise.

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone, but if one looks for imperfections, one will always find them, as nothing is perfect.
did you notice elevated blacks pre-4.70.90 firmware?...so in your opinion 4.71.00 is the same as 4.70.90?...only thing I don't understand is why LG took so long in releasing this in the USA?...4.70.90 was released in February!
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According to another Forbes article, the dark HDR game mode is also supposed to be fixed this month. Not sure if that means the 4.71 firmware version but it likely is.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#720d0cc714b4

So that makes the following list of possible enhancements for 4.71:
  1. IP v6
  2. Reduced (not eliminated) elevated black levels for Dolby Vision from external HDMI sources
  3. fixed HDR game mode
Interesting reading that it talks about the 2016 sets for the HDR game fix, but not specifically the 2017 ones. I would like to be able to choose between the old "bright" mode and the new one that doesn't clip the highlights, if possible.

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did you notice elevated blacks pre-4.70.90 firmware?...so in your opinion 4.71.00 is the same as 4.70.90?...only thing I don't understand is why LG took so long in releasing this in the USA?...4.70.90 was released in February!
4.70.90 was released in May. 4.70.70 was released in February. These are incremental feature stacked updates and closely related to one another. They are obviously not the same, just the same engineers.

It takes over a month for an update to be incorporated into a general FW release. This holds true for any TV manufacturer, especially when it comes to updating code that originated from a third party such as Dolby. Dolby released the "final" DV library patches somewhere around mid April ( 18th? ), so the clock starts at that point. FW vers 4.70.90 was released about two weeks later which would be way too soon for the DV library patches to be part of that package. Also, the release notes/logs indicated that the only new feature was improved WiFi performance.

The timing of FW vers 4.71.00 falls nicely within the previously mentioned timeframe in that it has been over a month, and now has the DV patches, as well as the inclusion of DV Profile 5, which reduces bandwidth usage by 25%.
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so the elevated black issue only affects 'Dolby Vision sources over HDMI'?...meaning if I'm using the TV's built in apps for Netflix, Vudu, Amazon etc I won't be affected?...also I find it hard to believe that if the latest Korean firmware fixed the issue then why would they release a version in the US which doesn't fix it?...makes no sense...aren't the same panels used in Korea and the USA?
Internal apps were affected by various DV bugs at one point, but as far as I know those have been completely fixed since the February update.
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I have to ask the question here if the DolbyVision fix is provided by updated DV profile then why is the DV profile in firmware 04.71.00 still at the same level (1.4.4_07.01) that was introduced in 04.70.65?


I also do not grasp why LG is not actively communicating the fix in the release notes if that was the case?



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4.70.90 was released in May. 4.70.70 was released in February. These are incremental feature stacked updates and closely related to one another. They are obviously not the same, just the same engineers.

It takes over a month for an update to be incorporated into a general FW release. This holds true for any TV manufacturer, especially when it comes to updating code that originated from a third party such as Dolby. Dolby released the "final" DV library patches somewhere around mid April ( 18th? ), so the clock starts at that point. FW vers 4.70.90 was released about two weeks later which would be way too soon for the DV library patches to be part of that package. Also, the release notes/logs indicated that the only new feature was improved WiFi performance.

The timing of FW vers 4.71.00 falls nicely within the previously mentioned timeframe in that it has been over a month, and now has the DV patches, as well as the inclusion of DV Profile 5, which reduces bandwidth usage by 25%.
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Manually installed 4.71.00 and the Picture Quality is still Excellent.

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Internal apps were affected by various DV bugs at one point, but as far as I know those have been completely fixed since the February update.
I had the raised blacks problem via the internal Netflix app. It has just been solved by the most recent update. There were two key places to check: (1) right after the opening credits of episode 1 of Altered Carbon, the entire screen went grey before we see the body in the water; (2) the opening credits of The Cloverfield Paradox were gray. Via Apple TV, the gray is much improved, but not fully solved like it was via the internal Netflix app.
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Is there a fix for Forza Horizon 3 HDR mode being washed out on xbox one s?
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Would you guys recommend increasing Dynamic Contrast to high to alleviate the dim HDR mode? I am talking particularly in gaming.
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Color temp 0
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So I've been using Cinema Mode for HDR content, default settings besides power saver off and Tru motion off. Is the default Cinema Mode acceptable or do people typically make adjustments for HDR?

For SDR I've been using ISF Dark, OLED light 60, for SDR is it best to lower OLED and anything else?

And finally, I have no idea what to do with SDR gaming. I put Game mode on and everything looks over saturated and bright? Any suggestions for that mode and SDR?

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My setup mirrors that one.


What input on the LG are you selecting when trying to watch Apps? I’m not sure it matters but I have cable connected directly to TV so I always select Live TV on LG and TV Audio on Marantz and I get audio through ARC from whatever channel I’m watching and then select whatever app I want to watch on LG.

The biggest problem I’ve had with ARC is getting everything to sync at startup so I always try to start with LG on HDMI2 and Marantz on one of other inputs then I select Live TV on LG and TV Audio on Marantz. I tried starting LG on HDMI3 when I had Fire Stick connected there for a bit and Marantz on TV Audio but never got audio and had to switch around to get everything to sync then go back which was too much of a hassle.




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I checked for updates,and it told me the update was available. I hit "apply update", and after about 6 hrs. of downloading, it quit and "said" the update couldn't be applied my set (65B7A), and reverted back to my original software version (04.70.36). I checked for the update again, and it said "no updates available". "Nothing ventured, Nothing gained", is how, I believe, the old axiom goes...
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I checked for updates,and it told me the update was available. I hit "apply update", and after about 6 hrs. of downloading, it quit and "said" the update couldn't be applied my set (65B7A), and reverted back to my original software version (04.70.36). I checked for the update again, and it said "no updates available". "Nothing ventured, Nothing gained", is how, I believe, the old axiom goes...
My update started last night and I went to sleep at 36% This morning it was at 40%. Does this flash normally take a long time?
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Contrast 100
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Color 55
Tint 0
Color temp 0
Dynamic Contrast off
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Color Gamut wide
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Is there a consolidated list or a pdf of multi-user settings located somewhere?... Yes, I've searched!
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Is there a consolidated list or a pdf of multi-user settings located somewhere?... Yes, I've searched!
Are you talking about games only? I don't have a source for ideal settings for x-box or playstation. I don't play games.

For general recommended picture settings, use this one and bookmark jbebel's spreadsheet --> https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...l#post56263752
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I had the raised blacks problem via the internal Netflix app. It has just been solved by the most recent update. There were two key places to check: (1) right after the opening credits of episode 1 of Altered Carbon, the entire screen went grey before we see the body in the water; (2) the opening credits of The Cloverfield Paradox were gray. Via Apple TV, the gray is much improved, but not fully solved like it was via the internal Netflix app.
you mean solved by firmware 4.71.00?...I'll check those 2 shows you mentioned to see if I notice any issues
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I checked for updates,and it told me the update was available. I hit "apply update", and after about 6 hrs. of downloading, it quit and "said" the update couldn't be applied my set (65B7A), and reverted back to my original software version (04.70.36). I checked for the update again, and it said "no updates available". "Nothing ventured, Nothing gained", is how, I believe, the old axiom goes...
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My update started last night and I went to sleep at 36% This morning it was at 40%. Does this flash normally take a long time?

Just go to the website; download it on a usb jump drive, and install it manually. The one's I've installed didn't take much time at all.

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Are you talking about games only? I don't have a source for ideal settings for x-box or playstation. I don't play games.

For general recommended picture settings, use this one and bookmark jbebel's spreadsheet -->
This spreadsheet really is confusing me.

For example in HDR gaming, they suggest to use C30 color temperature? That has to be the only recommendation out there in terms of that setting. Most people range between W30-W40 for that setting, so that really feels weird...
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Has anyone already confirmed that the US firmware 4.71.00 is better than the previous 4.70.90 firmware from Korean site?

Debating whether to install on my LG OLED B7A...
OMG, yes! It's infinitely better! Includes 3D and smell-o-vision!
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Are you talking about games only? I don't have a source for ideal settings for x-box or playstation. I don't play games.

For general recommended picture settings, use this one and bookmark jbebel's spreadsheet --> https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...l#post56263752
I'm after a spreadsheet type for just the LG...Thanks fer the link.
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Just go to the website; download it on a usb jump drive, and install it manually. The one's I've installed didn't take much time at all.
Thanks. I'll give it a shot.....
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This spreadsheet really is confusing me.

For example in HDR gaming, they suggest to use C30 color temperature? That has to be the only recommendation out there in terms of that setting. Most people range between W30-W40 for that setting, so that really feels weird...

The spreadsheet just lists default settings. You need to hover over highlighted ones to see recommended changes.



W40-45 with color at 55 is fine for HDR gaming.
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I checked for updates,and it told me the update was available. I hit "apply update", and after about 6 hrs. of downloading, it quit and "said" the update couldn't be applied my set (65B7A), and reverted back to my original software version (04.70.36). I checked for the update again, and it said "no updates available". "Nothing ventured, Nothing gained", is how, I believe, the old axiom goes...
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Just go to the website; download it on a usb jump drive, and install it manually. The one's I've installed didn't take much time at all.
I've never received a firmware update automatically- always downloaded, copied to a thumb drive and installed manually. No update has ever taken longer than a 5-10 minutes, including the time it takes to reboot the TV.
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