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Yes, but the legend of these fine displays will live on and on.......
A bit like input lag , then ?

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I will concede that single player games might not be as noticeable - i do not play those often.

Games I absolutely notice the difference in - and they all have the same "feeling" which ironically has nothing to do with the shooting aspect, it is more of a "floaty" feel when moving the character, like you are moving in water...
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After reading this type of thread I decided to try Destiny using Technicolor HDR mode and indeed it was if my character was in water or floaty. I wonder if that had anything to do with Trumotion being on however. It was also a lot more than 40ms difference (20 ->60). 60ms used to be normal on last gen game consoles with plasma TV's and this was nothing like that. It was similar to the 250ms or more latency I experienced with ADSL behind the Great Firewall of China when gaming with friends in the USA, but even that was never floaty.
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@sonoftumble @bobknavs @Bacon_67 , thanks guys, building up some hours before I calibrate it so just needed a ballpark figure to get started (and I'm too lazy to get my meter out lol)

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I will concede that single player games might not be as noticeable - i do not play those often.

Games I absolutely notice the difference in - and they all have the same "feeling" which ironically has nothing to do with the shooting aspect, it is more of a "floaty" feel when moving the character, like you are moving in water...
Any COD
Any BF
PUBG
Fortnite
Blackout (beta)
Far Cry 5
After reading this type of thread I decided to try Destiny using Technicolor HDR mode and indeed it was if my character was in water or floaty. I wonder if that had anything to do with Trumotion being on however. It was also a lot more than 40ms difference (20 ->60). 60ms used to be normal on last gen game consoles with plasma TV's and this was nothing like that. It was similar to the 250ms or more latency I experienced with ADSL behind the Great Firewall of China when gaming with friends in the USA, but even that was never floaty.
Its trumotion, adds a tremendous amout of lag. Turn off realcinema if its possible in technicolor.
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FWIW, Trumotion is off in all of my pic presets. That's not to say there isn't some other processing that causes this effect.

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After reading this type of thread I decided to try Destiny using Technicolor HDR mode and indeed it was if my character was in water or floaty. I wonder if that had anything to do with Trumotion being on however. It was also a lot more than 40ms difference (20 ->60). 60ms used to be normal on last gen game consoles with plasma TV's and this was nothing like that. It was similar to the 250ms or more latency I experienced with ADSL behind the Great Firewall of China when gaming with friends in the USA, but even that was never floaty.
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Its trumotion, adds a tremendous amout of lag. Turn off realcinema if its possible in technicolor.
Yup, TruMotion and similar post-processing features will increase input lag immensely. With everything off -apart from, obviously, Dynamic Contrast (Low)- you should be in the ballpark of 60ms when using Technicolor or Cinema Home mode.

The difference to Game Mode's 20ms is definitively noticeable to me - but then I'm also really sensitive to frame rate drops. With that being said, 60ms is absolutely playable for the majority of single player campaigns (Uncharted, GoW, Horizon, Spider-Man, etc.). And the longer you play, the more accustomed you will get to the additional lag and the less it will bother you. However, for competitive online gaming (which I'm very rarely indulging these days) Cinema Home is really not a viable option.
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@sonoftumble @bobknavs @Bacon_67 , thanks guys, building up some hours before I calibrate it so just needed a ballpark figure to get started (and I'm too lazy to get my meter out lol)
You are welcome. I forgot to mention that the most accurate out-of-the-box picture mode is technicolor Expert ( both SDR and HDR10 ). My fL readings were all done using that picture mode. Give it a try.

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So even if I put it on 8bit it’ll still use 10bit for HDR games and movies? Also, I’m assuming this because I’m using the Xbox calibration and nothing I have to raise the brightness.


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The calibration isn’t HDR is it? I don’t remember it triggering HDR at all during the process.

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You are welcome. I forgot to mention that the most accurate out-of-the-box picture mode is technicolor Expert ( both SDR and HDR10 ). My fL readings were all done using that picture mode. Give it a try.

Attached is a pre-calibration scan.
Thanks, I've compared technicolor expert vs ISF dark, and when both have the same settings, they look 100% identical to me. I've checked this with multiple scenes and see no difference between the two. What differences are there?
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Thanks, I've compared technicolor expert vs ISF dark, and when both have the same settings, they look 100% identical to me. I've checked this with multiple scenes and see no difference between the two. What differences are there?
The differences are under the hood and pretty subtle, but if you want to see the content exactly the way the Technicolor mastering team saw it, use the Technicolor Expert mode--which is set to Technicolor specs for white point and peak luminance. At least 80% of what comes out of Hollywood goes thru Technicolor in post production.

For example, the standard D65 white point (which has specific x and y coordinates) is universally accurate for both HD and UHD standards on LCD based panels. But the same does not actually apply to OLED panels. The technicolor Expert picture mode uses different x and y coordinates so that the resulting "white" actually looks more accurate when comparing to the other types of mastering devices in use at Technicolor.

There's also less adjusting to get an almost perfect picture. See attached, and also refer to my posted settings ( see signature below ) which were very recently updated.
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Completely agree.

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Its trumotion, adds a tremendous amout of lag. Turn off realcinema if its possible in technicolor.
Yup, TruMotion and similar post-processing features will increase input lag immensely. With everything off -apart from, obviously, Dynamic Contrast (Low)- you should be in the ballpark of 60ms when using Technicolor or Cinema Home mode.

The difference to Game Mode's 20ms is definitively noticeable to me - but then I'm also really sensitive to frame rate drops. With that being said, 60ms is absolutely playable for the majority of single player campaigns (Uncharted, GoW, Horizon, Spider-Man, etc.). And the longer you play, the more accustomed you will get to the additional lag and the less it will bother you. However, for competitive online gaming (which I'm very rarely indulging these days) Cinema Home is really not a viable option.
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The calibration isn’t HDR is it? I don’t remember it triggering HDR at all during the process.


Nah just SDR. I wish there was some HDR calibration as well. I don’t know if there’s any calibration disks right now that allow you to adjust HDR.


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Hey, I am having an issue that any app on the TV I try to use the sound is outputting only PCM 2.0. In the past it has done Atmos, and I have tried both the Netflix app and Dolby app which both come to PCM 2.0. My Sony STR-DN1080 does switch to Atmos for my other devices like Apple TV. I am using ARC.

Anyone else have an issue like this? I also tried another HDMI cable.
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Hey, I am having an issue that any app on the TV I try to use the sound is outputting only PCM 2.0. In the past it has done Atmos, and I have tried both the Netflix app and Dolby app which both come to PCM 2.0. My Sony STR-DN1080 does switch to Atmos for my other devices like Apple TV. I am using ARC.

Anyone else have an issue like this? I also tried another HDMI cable.
Nvm figured it out
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Anyone ever hear a mild buzzing noise coming from behind the TV? For the first time ever I'm hearing it on my 55B7A. Has around 600 hours of use.
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LG OLED 65” C7 Calibration ( OLED65C7P ) FW: 04.71.00 - ( CALIBRATION REV. 3.5 - Sept. 2 18 )

HAPPY LABOR DAY!

The settings below are ALL NEW except for HDR10 technicolor Expert.

NOTE: This will probably be my last settings hurrah on this thread due to the fact that our sets are now out of production, and firmware updates from LG will no doubt be prioritized for current models; i.e. 2018 - 8 series. If something comes out that radically changes things, then I will take another look and run new calibrations. Otherwise, I think this is a wrap.

With that said, most 7 series models should benefit from the settings below. This is assuming that your panel’s performance / specs are fairly close to mine. Variances in panels may yield different results. For most of us, it should be very close. If the variance is less than 3%, you will enjoy an awesome SDR and HDR picture.

These are actual meter based calibration settings ( vs. disc based ) using a recently certified ( June 2017 ) Spectracal C6 meter, Murideo 6G pattern generator, and CalMan for Biz 2017.

SDR notes: A few days ago, I ran a calibration recheck to see if my TV’s colors and gray scale had drifted since the January calibration.  There were very few differences - which is good news.  I decided to spend a little more time, and try to get things as close to perfect as possible.  As you will see with the attached Post Calibration screenshot for SDR technicolor Expert, things are almost perfect. On top of that, the adjustments to both the White Balance and CMS are extremely minor and well within single digits from the zero point. The SDR picture on my C7 looks phenomenal.

Dolby Vision notes: This is an ENTIRELY NEW revamp. The problem with the previous DV calibration was that I was allowing the EOTF curve to meander around like a river carving a new path. The delta errors looked good, but the gamma was all over which effected luminance performance especially in the mid and upper ranges where most content lives. The general complaint about the Dolby Vision "Cinema (User)" picture being too dark has been eliminated as the 2.2 gamma target is now flat across all IRE levels. This made a huge difference in the overall brightness of the picture while still providing those spectral highlights that everyone expects with HDR content. Again, I am very pleased with this picture, and it looks much better than the previous revision.

The Calman “DV custom" workflow allows the calibrator to create a special file just for 2017 LG OLED’s, which is saved to a thumb drive and then loaded into the TV. Spectracal, Dolby, and LG worked very closely together to create this awesome workflow. It’s actually faster and easier to go through than an SDR calibration. The DV “custom” workflow focuses on greyscale and once the 2 point and 20 point have been adjusted, Calman then creates the file ( plain text ) and the calibration session is complete. There are no other adjustments, and the CMS is left untouched.

If you are interested in taking a closer look at this file, you should send me a private message with an email address so I can send to you.

For those of you who have already received the previous DV file, I have already sent out a new one with the same settings as listed below.

Updated SDR post calibration screenshot attached.

SDR Settings
SDR Picture Mode: “technicolor Expert”
Energy Saving: Off

BASIC SETTINGS:
OLED LIGHT: 49
Contrast: 85
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 10
Color: 48
Tint: 0

EXPERT CONTROLS
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Super Resolution: Off
Color Gamut: Auto
Edge Enhancer: On
Color Filter: Off
Gamma: 2.2 ( If you have 100% lighting control in the room and can get it really dark, then try BT.1886 or 2.4 )

WHITE BALANCE
Color Temperature: Warm2

Method: 2 Points
Low - R: 0, G: -1, B: 0
High - R: -5 G: 0, B: -1

Method: 20 Points
100 IRE, R: -7, G: -6, B: -5
90 IRE R: 0, G: -9, B: -8
80 IRE R: 0, G: 0, B: 0
70 IRE R: 0, G: -5, B: -7
60 IRE R: 0, G: 0, B: 0
50 IRE R: 0, G: 0, B: 0
40 IRE R: 0, G: 1, B: -1
30 IRE R: 0, G: -3, B: -4
20 IRE R: 0, G: 3, B: 2
10 IRE R: 0, G: 5, B: 6

COLOR MANAGEMENT SYSTEM
RED Sat 0, Tint 0,  Lum -1
GREEN Sat 0, Tint 0, Lum 2
BLUE Sat 2, Tint 1, Lum 5
CYAN Sat 2, Tint 2, Lum 2
MAGENTA Sat 2, Tint 5, Lum 0
YELLOW Sat 3, Tint 0, Lum -1

PICTURE OPTIONS
Noise Reduction : Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: On ( Default - greyed out )
Motion Eye Care: Off
TrueMotion: Off

ISF OLED LIGHT SUGGESTED SETTINGS - SDR - LG OLED 7 SERIES PANELS
BRIGHT ROOM:
OLED LIGHT @ 49 = TV Foot Lumens of 55 ( Range 50-60 )
DIM ROOM:
OLED LIGHT @ 36 = TV Foot Lumens of 45 ( Range 40-50 )
DARK ROOM:
OLED LIGHT @ 25 = TV Foot Lumens of 35 ( Range 30-40 )


HDR10 Settings
HDR-10 Picture Mode: technicolor Expert

BASIC SETTINGS:
OLED LIGHT: 70 ( This will vary depending what nit levels the content was mastered as well as room brightness. There’s not really a way to know the mastered nit levels of any given title without a Lumagen which can read the metadata. So this is really a “how does it look to you” kind of thing. 70 seems to be a “happy" medium )
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 10
Color: 55
Tint: 0

EXPERT CONTROLS
Dynamic Contrast: Low
Super Resolution: Off
Color Gamut: Auto
Edge Enhancer: On
Color Filter: Off
Gamma: 2.2 ( default and greyed out )

WHITE BALANCE
Color Temperature: Warm2
Method: 2 Points
High - R: -5, G: -3, B: 3
Low - R: 1 G: -1, B: -3

PICTURE OPTIONS
Noise Reduction : Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: On ( Default - greyed out )
Motion Eye Care: Off
TrueMotion: Off

Dolby Vision Settings
DV Picture Mode: Cinema (User)

OLED Light: 70 (I have a medium bright room)
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 10
Color 50
Tint: 0

NOTE: The below settings must be accompanied with the installation of the DV calibration file as explained above.

WHITE BALANCE
Color Temperature: Warm2

Method: 2 Points
High R: -3, G: 1, B: 1
Low R: 5, G: -2, B: 2

Method: 20 Points
100 IRE R: 0, G: 1, B: -4
95 IRE R: -2, G: -4, B: -6
90 IRE R: -4, G: -5, B: -6
85 IRE R: -3, G: -6, B: -4
80 IRE R: -4, G: -5, B: -5
75 IRE R: -7, G: -7, B: -8
70 IRE R: -7, G: -6, B: -8
65 IRE R: -9, G: -9, B: -9
60 IRE R: -7, G: -7, B: -8
55 R: -8, G: -10, B: -10
50 IRE R: -7, G: -8, B: -9
45 IRE R: -8, G: -9, B: -10
40 IRE R: -6, G: -7, B: -8
35 IRE R: -4, G: -5, B: -8
30 IRE R: 10, G: 9, B: 8
25 IRE R: 17, G: 17, B: 16
20 IRE R: 22, G: 22, B: 23
15 IRE R: 21, G: 22, B: 22
10 IRE R: 19, G: 21, B: 21
5 IRE R: 11 G: 14, B: 12


Enjoy. Feedback is welcome.

First I would like to thank you for sharing the calibration settings, my question is, for SDR you set the 20 points for half of the IRE values (100,90,80 etc.) while for Dolby Vision you set all.

Is there a reason for that or am I missing something?

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Is there a possibility that the SD materials on my O7 looks like the same sharp and good as the Panasonic CX700 or the Philips 6452, looks pretty good on them. I'm not happy with the Oled I'm not happy with the Standard resolution somehow looks too long, I've tried the settings of Sofonable .My friend have LCD Philips 6452 and SD materials looks 2 class sharper then Oled.
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First I would like to thank you for sharing the calibration settings, my question is, for SDR you set the 20 points for half of the IRE values (100,90,80 etc.) while for Dolby Vision you set all.

Is there a reason for that or am I missing something?

Thanks again
With the technicolor Expert picture mode, the grey scale response was very flat to begin with. There was no need to be so granular with the adjustments, so I skipped the 5 point increments. Attached is the chart. As you will see, I really would not be able to get it much flatter. It was almost perfect using only the 10 point increments.

I hope you enjoy the settings!
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With the technicolor Expert picture mode, the grey scale response was very flat to begin with. There was no need to be so granular with the adjustments, so I skipped the 5 point increments. Attached is the chart. As you will see, I really would not be able to get it much flatter. It was almost perfect using only the 10 point increments.

I hope you enjoy the settings!
Thanks a lot for the quick reply.

I think your settings are great and they look perfect on my TV.
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What you suggest for sharper SD signals on B7?
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What you suggest for sharper SD signals on B7?


Don’t use SD signals, unless it’s absolutely a “must” (there is not other options for a limited DVD or something).
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What you suggest for sharper SD signals on B7?
The problem with trying to make even 720P signals look better is due to the fact that everything is upscaled several times over unless the signal is native 4K. 1080P is 4x upscaled. ( See attached ). It's almost like the old days when people tried to watch VHS video tapes ( 220 lines of resolution ) on big rear projection TV's with 480 lines of resolution. You could see all the flaws AND the scanning lines. I don't miss those days!

SD TV signals and DVD's are 480 which means your 4K TV has to blow up the picture by a factor of 16x.
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While there is a significant improvement with the new panel in some respects, the down side is it has developed a blueish tint along the left side of the screen. A new replacement panel has been authorized by LG.
Rjih, I’m really sorry to hear that and disappointed to report my new panel also has a blue tint covering about 6” of the left side of the screen. It’s a big, blue, faint but super obvious, vertical band. There are other areas on the panel that also have blue tint.

Is that what you experienced? How did you get a panel replacement authorized? Did they send a dude out to do a video call?

I was so happy with the much improved clarity and brightness- it’s like a different TV, but I’m really worried this is just going to keep happening...
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The problem with trying to make even 720P signals look better is due to the fact that everything is upscaled several times over unless the signal is native 4K. 1080P is 4x upscaled. ( See attached ). It's almost like the old days when people tried to watch VHS video tapes ( 220 lines of resolution ) on big rear projection TV with 480 lines of resolution. You could see all the flaws AND the scanning lines. I don't miss those days!

For SD TV or DVD's are 480 which means your 4K TV has to blow up the picture by a factor of 16x.
I'm pleasantly surprised by how well an Oppo 203 upscales a widescreen (720 X 480, interlaced, 16:9 anamorphic) DVD to UHD. That's 4X vertical, 5.33X horizontal, net 21.33X the pixel count.

Not sure what algorithm is used to suppress the scan lines, but it works pretty well at normal viewing distances.
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I understand those basics in relation to the SD signal, but I do not know why the LCD Philips 4K 55 "6452 LCD shows that same SD signal phenomenally, much better than the Oled?
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Rjih, I’m really sorry to hear that and disappointed to report my new panel also has a blue tint covering about 6” of the left side of the screen. It’s a big, blue, faint but super obvious, vertical band. There are other areas on the panel that also have blue tint.

Is that what you experienced? How did you get a panel replacement authorized? Did they send a dude out to do a video call?

I was so happy with the much improved clarity and brightness- it’s like a different TV, but I’m really worried this is just going to keep happening...
The appearance of my panel is exactly what you described. I called LG and was told to call the same repairman that originally installed the panel. The replacement panel has a 90 day warranty. The repairman arrived and went through the same process as before, which was granted, to obtain a replacement panel authorization. The repairman entered the service menu and reset the TV to its default settings so that when it restarted you had to go through the initial setup process where you set the language, time, country, etc. There is a yellow/gold background screen that contains a bird that is displayed during the setup. That screen displayed the problem best because the areas that contained the blue tint turned the yellow/gold background color to green. That was the screen the LG rep on the phone could best view the issue.

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I understand those basics in relation to the SD signal, but I do not know why the LCD Philips 4K 55 "6452 LCD shows that same SD signal phenomenally, much better than the Oled?
Try putting super resolution on high.
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Wow, the wifi software/hardware in this tv are just a mess. Once again I was getting sub 1mb download speeds using 2.5ghz. I swapped to 5ghz and was getting about 8. After about 45 minutes of switching off features, clearing caches, and turning the tv off and on, my 5ghz connection was getting 140mb down. We'll see if it is still there tonight or if I have to go through all of that again.

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Wow, the wifi software/hardware in this tv are just a mess. Once again I was getting sub 1mb download speeds using 2.5ghz. I swapped to 5ghz and was getting about 8. After about 45 minutes of switching off features, clearing caches, and turning the tv off and on, my 5ghz connection was getting 140mb down. We'll see if it is still there tonight or if I have to go through all of that again.
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Yes. One of the many things I disabled/cleared. Didn't do anything on it's on. The last thing I did was turn off some settings for turning on the tv with wifi devices and mirroring options or something as well as the quick on functionality. Basically turned off everything I didn't use.

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