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post #33151 of 36400 Old 10-22-2018, 09:57 AM
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Yep, just posted it right above your post to me (was replying to someone else), but I'll reply to you as well!

I have 5 cables on order from Amazon right now - all 15ft. I'm going to go through each one until I hopefully find one that will work consistently! Might take a couple of weeks (and I'll be stressed until I find the right one. haha)

edit: this is one of the 5 HDMI cables I'm waiting on - Seewell Silverback s6: https://sewelldirect.com/premium-4k-hdmi-cable-15-ft-

They go through a LOT of effort to talk about their testing of 4K 60hz 4:4:4 at lengths up to 40ft in the product description. First cable I've seen with such a strong focus on it. I also found a post from 2016 on the forums where the compnay was posting specifically about the 15ft version and showing pictures of it passing tests on their equipment at full bandwidth 4:4:4 4k 60hz.

There are a few amazon reviews that say the cable didn't work for them, but I'm finding that there are reviews like that for EVERY cable. Guess I'll find out!
Your setup is very similar to mine. A couple of people have mentioned Blue Jean Cables. They have been my cable of choice after trying various brands and lengths. My OLED65C7P is located over a fireplace and is connected to a 15' Blue Jean Series 1 HDMI cable that runs through a conduit that exits next to the cabined that houses my audio/video equipment. Yes, they are priced higher than some of the cables mentioned my others, but they WORK, especially as the length begins to increase. I am sure what you have spent on cables so far would more than cover the cost of the Series 1 plus a backup or two. I use their FE HDMI cable for short runs, but I did not want to roll the dice on a 15' cable.
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Man, I've been in love with my OLED65C7P since I got it.

I ran color slides while I was at work for a few weeks and my banding was pretty minimal.

Recently, I've noticed that this has worsened. Especially when watching racing that has panning shots across backgrounds, there is a very noticeable vertical band right in the center of the TV. I can't not see it now.

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Ughhhh. I know. It's never-ending and I've already sunk around $400 into this issue already buying cables and paying installer fees.

The cables are run through plastic tubing into the wall behind the tv (which was installed by the home builder). The exit is to the left on the side wall of fireplace (see picture for an idea). The cables are then run to/behind the piece of furniture holding my media equipment. Please excuse the crooked TV - I was just trying another cable earlier (which worked even worse) and didn't straighten it properly. No heat or anything like that causing any sort of issue - I haven't even turned the fireplace on since feb of this year.

The cables connect directly from the TV to the devices themselves. no middle man. It doesn't look like it needs 15ft, but it's actually just enough.

Fiber Optic is usually the next step up if you are at a length that is not letting you get a proper signal. Unfortunately they usually come in longer lengths then 15 feet and start around $100.
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Man, I've been in love with my OLED65C7P since I got it.

I ran color slides while I was at work for a few weeks and my banding was pretty minimal.

Recently, I've noticed that this has worsened. Especially when watching racing that has panning shots across backgrounds, there is a very noticeable vertical band right in the center of the TV. I can't not see it now.

How many hours do you have on it?
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Fiber Optic is usually the next step up if you are at a length that is not letting you get a proper signal. Unfortunately they usually come in longer lengths then 15 feet and start around $100.
Found a couple of 15ft fiber cables for $89 on amazon. I don't want to go that route and spend that much money (I'd need 3). but I guess we'll see how this all turns out!
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Found a couple of 15ft fiber cables for $89 on amazon. I don't want to go that route and spend that much money (I'd need 3). but I guess we'll see how this all turns out!
Their would be no need to use fiber for 15 foot runs. Get certified premium HDMI cables ( and make sure they have the little holographic sticker) and you should be fine for that distance. I have had good luck with monoprice but their are others.

Edit - LOL, sorry it’s a QR code not a hologram...the Monoprice 15’ certified premium HDMI cables are around $15 on Amazon.
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Was watching Daredevil on my LGOLED65c7p in Dolby Vision using the in TV Netflix app. When transitioning between scenes sometime, I notice after a few seconds the brightness level readjusts. This happens when transitioning between darker and lighter scenes. Anybody else encounter this?
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Was watching Daredevil on my LGOLED65c7p in Dolby Vision using the in TV Netflix app. When transitioning between scenes sometime, I notice after a few seconds the brightness level readjusts. This happens when transitioning between darker and lighter scenes. Anybody else encounter this?
Sounds like the Automatic Backlight Limiter kicking in which is a feature of these sets. I have noticed it when using mine as a PC monitor when there is a static and fairly bright screen but have never noticed it with video content. I think it's function is to reduce the possibility of image retention and possibly to reduce heat production.
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Looks like Sony is adding e-arc to its top tier tvs and dtsx-and atmos soundbars. Wonder if lg will follow suit with top tier oleds. With a firmware update.

Pretty sure it will take a hardware change. Sony added such hardware change in the X1 Ultimate. I doubt LG put it in the α9. Maybe they will put it in the 2019 chips.
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OK, so, I am receiving my LG OLED 65-inch tomorrow. Very psyched. Not here yet, but the charge went through, so I consider myself an "owner".

I hear the sets are pretty much good right out of the box. Can I get some suggestions of a few easy adjustments for calibration? My content is most streaming via Roku (1080p and 4K in apps), blu-rays and 4K Ultra blu-rays, and 1080p broadcast content. The room is not the brightest even during the day. Will be sitting about 8 feet from the set. I like a bright, sharp picture but hate the soap-opera effect. Any easy ideas? Many thanks!
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Looks like Sony is adding e-arc to its top tier tvs and dtsx-and atmos soundbars. Wonder if lg will follow suit with top tier oleds. With a firmware update.


I don’t see any news of them adding it to older TVs. I do see a recent post saying for AVR and Soundbars, but outside of possibility A9 and Z9F I don’t see any news. For 2017 sets I would probably say it’s a hard no as the HDMI chipsets most likely don’t support e-arc. They may (depending on chipset used for the 2018 sets) and I would guess for sure with 2019 sets.
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OK, so, I am receiving my LG OLED 65-inch tomorrow. Very psyched. Not here yet, but the charge went through, so I consider myself an "owner".

I hear the sets are pretty much good right out of the box. Can I get some suggestions of a few easy adjustments for calibration? My content is most streaming via Roku (1080p and 4K in apps), blu-rays and 4K Ultra blu-rays, and 1080p broadcast content. The room is not the brightest even during the day. Will be sitting about 8 feet from the set. I like a bright, sharp picture but hate the soap-opera effect. Any easy ideas? Many thanks!
You may find this a bit complex, but it doesn't require expert ability:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...l#post55037420
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Pretty sure it will take a hardware change. Sony added such hardware change in the X1 Ultimate. I doubt LG put it in the α9. Maybe they will put it in the 2019 chips.
E-arc doesn't necessarily require new hardware; Denon is adding it to 2017 receivers (x4400h for example) via firmware at some point as well as their latest receivers.

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E-arc doesn't necessarily require new hardware; Denon is adding it to 2017 receivers (x4400h for example) via firmware at some point as well as their latest receivers.

True, but remember the receiver already had the ability to decode TrueHD and such from HDMI inputs, all they had to do was route the signal from eARC correctly to the existing decoder. They may have planned for this new feature for a couple of years given it seems like it would have been very minimal work in the hardware.



For the TV on the other hand, there was no need for a high bandwidth audio transmitter to exist in the TV at all, so it needs one added. Certainly a TV could have been designed to be flexible enough to have a firmware update, but it is a lot less likely than a receiver having that option, and yet only Denon/Marantz seems to have announced such updates going back that far. Sony has announced it for some soundbars, but I think they are pretty new models.

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It can.


Your TV can do 4:4:4, 60Hz, 4k, DV, HDR and lots of other things.


That doesn't mean you can do them all at the same time. It has no problem doing 24Hz 4k 4:4:4 DV, which means almost all movies are perfectly fine as long as you actually use 24Hz to send it to the TV and don't use the dumb default of always outputting 60Hz from the ATV.



It's the combination of 4k, 60Hz 4:4:4 and HDR that puts you over the limit.


Without HDR, 4k 60Hz 4:4:4 uses 17.82 Gpbs. With HDR it needs 22.28 Gbps (10 bit versus 8 bit per color channel will do that to you). DV is supposed to allow up to 12 bit per color channel, but they have some odd way of encoding it using the chroma bits as far as I have understood so the bandwidth requirements are a bit tricky to calculate. Not sure if they use 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 and store their extra bits somewhere in there. I believe at least on UHD discs, DV uses 4:2:2 while HDR10 uses 4:2:0, so perhaps those extra bits are where they are putting their extra meta data and such. I haven't found any decent documents describing exactly how DV does its thing.


If your ATV is set to output using the correct frame rate and bit depth for your show (so changing to match the content) it should automatically use the best mode possible. With the out of box default settings it will do a ****ty job.
Dumb question here, but what ARE the optimal settings for the Apple 4k? I have tried setting it to 4k HDR 25Hz and have the same problems as when I set it to enable DV at highest setting. I keep getting black outs, intermittent noise, pauses, etc when trying to play a UHD video (like Blue Planet II over Netflix). I have it set to match frame rate and format.

Hopefully I can learn from one of you, as I am getting frustrated with this. I had no issues up until a month ago. Now I can't get the Apple TV to work consistently with the B7. I replaced cables, used shorter runs, swapped out the Apple TV under warranty to no avail. I'm wondering if it is the TV at this point. Suggestions?
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anyone have any recommendations for a great price/performance 4K Dolby Vision Blu-ray player to pair with my C7?...I'm been streaming 4K through Vudu since I got my C7 in 2017 and am itching to try some 'real' 4K content via physical media...I previously heard that the Sony UBP-X700, LG UBK90 and Philips BDP7502 were the ones to look at...does that still apply or are there any new ones to consider?
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anyone have any recommendations for a great price/performance 4K Dolby Vision Blu-ray player to pair with my C7?...I'm been streaming 4K through Vudu since I got my C7 in 2017 and am itching to try some 'real' 4K content via physical media...I previously heard that the Sony UBP-X700, LG UBK90 and Philips BDP7502 were the ones to look at...does that still apply or are there any new ones to consider?


Still applies.
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Dumb question here, but what ARE the optimal settings for the Apple 4k? I have tried setting it to 4k HDR 25Hz and have the same problems as when I set it to enable DV at highest setting. I keep getting black outs, intermittent noise, pauses, etc when trying to play a UHD video (like Blue Planet II over Netflix). I have it set to match frame rate and format.



Hopefully I can learn from one of you, as I am getting frustrated with this. I had no issues up until a month ago. Now I can't get the Apple TV to work consistently with the B7. I replaced cables, used shorter runs, swapped out the Apple TV under warranty to no avail. I'm wondering if it is the TV at this point. Suggestions?

4K SDR both match settings to ON and color space 4:4:4
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Still applies.
any recommendation among those 3?...I remember the Sony has some weird quirks with Dolby Vision where you had to manually change the setting every time you watched a movie and the LG had noise/heat issues
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^tbh I think the LG player does just fine with a very decent price.
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4K SDR both match settings to ON and color space 4:4:4
Thanks Ph8te! Does it matter what freq when setting it to 4k SDR?
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Thanks Ph8te! Does it matter what freq when setting it to 4k SDR?

4k60 SDR is what I use. Chose whichever you like best.

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any recommendation among those 3?...I remember the Sony has some weird quirks with Dolby Vision where you had to manually change the setting every time you watched a movie and the LG had noise/heat issues


I bought the BDP7502 since it was cheaper at the time. I also don’t need apps as I have the TV and ATV4K for that. Either that or the UBK90 would be my choices.
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E-arc doesn't necessarily require new hardware; Denon is adding it to 2017 receivers (x4400h for example) via firmware at some point as well as their latest receivers.

True, but remember the receiver already had the ability to decode TrueHD and such from HDMI inputs, all they had to do was route the signal from eARC correctly to the existing decoder. They may have planned for this new feature for a couple of years given it seems like it would have been very minimal work in the hardware.



For the TV on the other hand, there was no need for a high bandwidth audio transmitter to exist in the TV at all, so it needs one added. Certainly a TV could have been designed to be flexible enough to have a firmware update, but it is a lot less likely than a receiver having that option, and yet only Denon/Marantz seems to have announced such updates going back that far. Sony has announced it for some soundbars, but I think they are pretty new models.
For the record I don't think LG will add eArc to 2017 sets BUT they can decode TrueHD from HDMI

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OK, so, I am receiving my LG OLED 65-inch tomorrow. Very psyched. Not here yet, but the charge went through, so I consider myself an "owner".

I hear the sets are pretty much good right out of the box. Can I get some suggestions of a few easy adjustments for calibration? My content is most streaming via Roku (1080p and 4K in apps), blu-rays and 4K Ultra blu-rays, and 1080p broadcast content. The room is not the brightest even during the day. Will be sitting about 8 feet from the set. I like a bright, sharp picture but hate the soap-opera effect. Any easy ideas? Many thanks!

Turn Energy Saving off, turn on HDMI Deep Color for each HDMI you will use, and change the picture mode in SDR (cable and streaming) and HDR to technicolor Expert. There is a user guide manual, if you hit Recents on the remote and scroll, if you need to know what settings mean or how to find them.


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anyone have any recommendations for a great price/performance 4K Dolby Vision Blu-ray player to pair with my C7?...I'm been streaming 4K through Vudu since I got my C7 in 2017 and am itching to try some 'real' 4K content via physical media...I previously heard that the Sony UBP-X700, LG UBK90 and Philips BDP7502 were the ones to look at...does that still apply or are there any new ones to consider?

I have the UBK90 and have had no problems; I had some annoyances with the Xbox S and X. PE2 and Pacific Rim look amazing if you like HDR more than 4k. The old LG had noise issues; the new one is similar, but fixed and is as quiet as can be. There's a good Best Buy deal for it this week.


My brother has the more expensive Panasonic 820, and with it on the OLED setting, adjusting for OLED's more limited nit level, discs have looked the same. If you like to tinker with the tone mapping for each disc, I would look at that one.


Don't have any experience with the other 2 or the Oppo.
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anyone have any recommendations for a great price/performance 4K Dolby Vision Blu-ray player to pair with my C7?...I'm been streaming 4K through Vudu since I got my C7 in 2017 and am itching to try some 'real' 4K content via physical media...I previously heard that the Sony UBP-X700, LG UBK90 and Philips BDP7502 were the ones to look at...does that still apply or are there any new ones to consider?
Consider the LG UP970 BluRay Player if you can still find one. We can , here in the UK. It is a no frills player but it is Dolby Vision and HDR 10 capable and will pass Atmos and DTS:X.

It does deliver great images and sound and definitely fits into the great price/performance group. Earlier models could suffer from excessive noise when playing discs but this was solved in later builds.
One nice feature is that you can play files from a USB device but will not play every type of video file. Nor will the LG OLEDs but I have never found a file that won't play on either device so between them I have got things covered.
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Is someone testing the leaked EU/DVB Beta Firmware 5.80.04 ?

It's available to download and to manually install (after a tricky procedure) from the same famous .ru forum, and I'm reading there it could have fixed the bugged "PC Input" mode?
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Quick question on the internal amazon prime app I was getting Jack Ryan in atmos no just appears in just 5,1 has this happened to anyone else my tv lg oled65G7P thanks

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Quick question on the internal amazon prime app I was getting Jack Ryan in atmos no just appears in just 5,1 has this happened to anyone else my tv lg oled65G7P thanks

If you're asking whether Jack Ryan is in Atmos or 5.1 - it will be Atmos if you select the HDR/DV version. Remember Amazon likes to make it tough to find the good stuff.

There is no perfect display, quit looking for faults and enjoy

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