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Well maybe I'll be ok after the 2000 hour refresh. This is my third set and yes this one is the 55 c7. I could really only see the line on a dark background like a reddish or orange. Or when the ball as thrown across the field in a baseball game. The line was the exact place you see when pulling up the menus that takes up half the screen very weird deal.
I've only got 1237 hours on mine. I just noticed it 2-3 months ago. I was advised to do a factory reset, unplug if overnight, and do a pixel refresh. None of those got rid of it. It is becoming more noticeable and my wife never sees anything on any TV but does notice it on this set. I have the 65 inch. Look at the pictures and it is bothersome to see and seems to be getting worse. I have a third party technician that is suppose to come after the holidays. LG kept lying to me and I called three different times and was continually told they would contact me but never did. I finally spoke with someone here in the states who actually called the tech that is suppose to be coming to make sure they would work in my area. I've attached the pictures that I sent LG.
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That is crazy, I am on these threads almost everyday and I must have missed this happening somehow as I am sure the last few guys are not the only guys this has happened to.
I’ve had mine 16 months 4726 hrs this is the first time I’ve heard this issue. Mines good so far lgg7p

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Maybe. I don't know if the darker behavior using the built-in Netflix app is WebOS related or Dolby Vision revision related, or DV signals via HDMI related.

Also, I don't know for how long this has been an issue. Cinema (User) has always been darker vs. Cinema (Home), but I found (Home) unwatchable and now that (User) is properly calibrated, it looks fantastic - at least when watching DV content on my ATV 4K.

The last two FW updates ( 5.80.05 & 5.80.15 ) use a newer DV rev. (1.4.4_08.01). The previous FW release - 4.71.00 ( Sept '18 ) used DV rev. (1.4.4_07.01). I could not detect any differences good or bad between the two DV revs. so I don't think that's the culprit.

One other thing to note is that the ATV 4K supports DV Profile 5 with iTunes, Netflix, and Vudu. I'm not sure if the built-in Netflix app is on the same page- so to speak.

First world problems!

It has been an issue since I purchased an ATV4K back in March. I usually use the built in apps for Netflix and Prime because of sound quality. The ATV4K decodes the audio rather than passing it through and I notice a very discernible sound difference. I wish they would just let the audio pass through to my receiver. The ATV4K definitely has a brighter picture than the built in app. It's especially noticeable on any of the Marvel shows and Altered Carbon. Man In The High Castle on Prime is the worst as far as overly dark blacks. I go back and forth a lot of the time now.

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Maybe. I don't know if the darker behavior using the built-in Netflix app is WebOS related or Dolby Vision revision related, or DV signals via HDMI related.

Also, I don't know for how long this has been an issue. Cinema (User) has always been darker vs. Cinema (Home), but I found (Home) unwatchable and now that (User) is properly calibrated, it looks fantastic - at least when watching DV content on my ATV 4K.

The last two FW updates ( 5.80.05 & 5.80.15 ) use a newer DV rev. (1.4.4_08.01). The previous FW release - 4.71.00 ( Sept '18 ) used DV rev. (1.4.4_07.01). I could not detect any differences good or bad between the two DV revs. so I don't think that's the culprit.

One other thing to note is that the ATV 4K supports DV Profile 5 with iTunes, Netflix, and Vudu. I'm not sure if the built-in Netflix app is on the same page- so to speak.

First world problems!
And now for something completely different. . . sonoftumble, did you ever get around to comparing the Warm2 settings with your older settings on Warm1?
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Definitely Cinema (Home) is brighter - and IMHO - a bit too much so - and bordering on harsh. That's why I went to the trouble to calibrate Cinema (User). I wanted it on par with HDR10 in terms of luminance performance. Mission accomplished - at least with my particular panel.

The other thing to keep in mind is that I do not watch any content using the built-in Netflix app. Instead, I watch Netflix on my AppleTV 4K. That may be the defining difference between my viewing experience and yours. I'll do a comparison viewing in the next couple of days and let you know.

EDIT/UPDATE: OK - I played content with both the internal Netflix app and the exact same content on my ATV 4K running Netflix, and even with the EXACT SAME PICTURE MODE - Cinema (User) - WITH THE EXACT SAME SETTINGS AND DV CALIBRATION FILE, the picture is definitely darker with the built-in Netflix app. I have no idea why other than the metadata from the ATV 4K is coming through HDMI.
I can take a signal analyzer and connect to the HDMI output of the ATV 4K to read all the data, or I can activate the HUD on the ATV 4K to see what it's spitting out; but I have no special app that I can run on the TV in order to read and compare the differences between the ATV 4K feed and the internal app.

I've attached a couple of pictures from my iPhone, and you can clearly see a difference in brightness. As an FYI, I watched 2001: A Space Odyssey in DV on my ATV 4K last night - and the beginning scene where the sun rises behind the earth - it was extremely bright and a bit uncomfortable to look at. It was almost like staring into a 700 nit sun.
I'm now thinking that the dimming issue that we were chatting about a few days ago is related to the onboard apps just displaying a dimmer image to begin with. Perhaps there's a "dimness threshold" where ABSL kicks in, and the content we're seeing this happen on just seems to hit that when viewed on the internal apps of my LG C7.

You've about got me sold on a ATV 4k (despite my irrational disdain for Apple products) to test that theory. I know this is not the place to really ask, but do you know if that device has discrete remote codes for Netflix and Amazon? As a harmony remote household with the majority users being less than remote savvy, this would be must have feature.
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Definitely other issues. If you look at how aggressive I got with the 20 point at certain IRE levels - that was to counteract the EOTF curve and instead produce a flat 2.2 gamma curve specific to Cinema (User). That fixed the shadow detail issues and also raised the luminance levels across the board.

The tone mapping with Cinema (Home) is different, and is intended as a "bright room" alternative to Cinema (User). If you use my 20 point settings with (Home) it's probably going to make the picture look more blown out than it already is.

Also, the DV calibration file is color matched to the 2 and 20 point white balance settings. That file will only attach itself to the Cinema (User) picture mode so there would be those issues as well.

Maybe get an ATV4K and not use iTunes? Crunchyroll is an available app on the ATV4K along with Netflix and Prime. Vudu is pretty cool as well - in terms of DV support. iTunes is really good and puts out the highest bitrates which = better PQ. Something to consider.

Pretty sure you can’t even change 2 and 20 point with Cinema Home.
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what's the word on the new 05.80.15 firmware?...any issues?...safe to install?

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It has been an issue since I purchased an ATV4K back in March. I usually use the built in apps for Netflix and Prime because of sound quality. The ATV4K decodes the audio rather than passing it through and I notice a very discernible sound difference. I wish they would just let the audio pass through to my receiver. The ATV4K definitely has a brighter picture than the built in app. It's especially noticeable on any of the Marvel shows and Altered Carbon. Man In The High Castle on Prime is the worst as far as overly dark blacks. I go back and forth a lot of the time now.

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Ditto.
I find the Apple TV to give a good middle ground image. Something I noticed with my set up is the Apple TV inherently requires my brightness to be lowered a single click to be correct with the 7 series in SDR, not sure if this is just something that happens with hdmi sources though since I find anything connected by hdmi to require brightness correction.
As for DV and HDR, “generally” looks better on the built in apps unless it’s a show that is already dim to begin with. If it’s something with a dim/dark/dull presentation it’s like the built in apps attempt to keep everything at the darkest point they possibley can, Which with the oleds means really really dark.

The Apple TV when compared side by side in DV and HDR also appears to have that slightly above black brightness issues I have noticed with SDR. the odd thing is it doesn’t appear to affect every app the same way on the Apple TV. iTune movies appear correct, while Vudu appears to have the slightly above black playing back the same content.

Some content and apps just seem to interact differently with this sets built in tone mapping, not really sure why.

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whats funny is i watched entire season of ozark with the built in netlfix on my E7 with sonos settings and I could not stop thinking the entire time man this series is DARK every damn scene was just sooooooo dark ,,maybe I need to get apple tv player....lol


Ozark is a VERY dark show image wise on purpose. It’s not one I’d use as an example
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And now for something completely different. . . sonoftumble, did you ever get around to comparing the Warm2 settings with your older settings on Warm1?
Not yet. My settings corrected the green push that was an issue using Warm 2. Warm 1 is for out of the box technicolor Expert SDR picture mode without needing to go to the White Balance or CMS.

I need to reset my technicolor Expert SDR picture mode and then scan using Warm 1 to see if it looks better on the chart vs. Warm 2.

Soon . . .
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Or maybe get an ATV4K. IMO, the iTunes movie library is worth the price of admission, and the pricing for rentals and purchases through iTunes is 1/2 what the other digital stores charge. They also auto-upgrade - for free - any of my already owned titles to 4K/HDR/DV when they become available.

For example, I had a digital copy ( 1080P ) of "Hunt for Red October" from way back. Now it's 4K/DV. You can't even find this title in 4K/HDR/DV on disc unless you want a Chinese version with Chinese subtitles. Pretty Cool
We have the Hunt 4k disc here in Australia.
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We have the Hunt 4k disc here in Australia.
I don't know why it's not available in the U.S.!!
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I don't know why it's not available in the U.S.!!
It's available on UHD BR (Dolby Vision) here in the US as part of the Jack Ryan Collection. It looks very nice.
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I don't know why it's not available in the U.S.!!
In this day and age. We don,t get the Nun 4k either and no Rambo movies. Managed to get all the Rambo's via Amazon US during black Friday sales for good price but got stung for the Nun on Ebay.
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It's available on UHD BR (Dolby Vision) here in the US as part of the Jack Ryan Collection. It looks very nice.


This, it’s been out since October or so.
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So I am starting to notice the vertical lines more and more. The idle screen with the fireworks is pitch black and looks gorgeous but I just started playing Skyrim for Xbox One X and it has a good amount of grey and black screens when loading and it's more pronounced now. Been watching a lot of Amazon Prime and the grey screen brings out the lines too. When do I start to worry about this?
I guess it depends if you have a warranty on the unit, if you do have a warranty you have X amount of days to report it to LG. You will have uniformity issues to some degree, only you can decide when it is to much to deal with. If your warranty is up, use it until its time to upgrade.
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I'm now thinking that the dimming issue that we were chatting about a few days ago is related to the onboard apps just displaying a dimmer image to begin with. Perhaps there's a "dimness threshold" where ABSL kicks in, and the content we're seeing this happen on just seems to hit that when viewed on the internal apps of my LG C7.

You've about got me sold on a ATV 4k (despite my irrational disdain for Apple products) to test that theory. I know this is not the place to really ask, but do you know if that device has discrete remote codes for Netflix and Amazon? As a harmony remote household with the majority users being less than remote savvy, this would be must have feature.
Yes it does. All the apps use the same interface so Play, Pause, FF, RW etc. will work as expected. There's IP control as well.

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I guess it depends if you have a warranty on the unit, if you do have a warranty you have X amount of days to report it to LG. You will have uniformity issues to some degree, only you can decide when it is to much to deal with. If your warranty is up, use it until its time to upgrade.

I bought it through you guys back in May of this year so I am still under the one year warranty. I will do the youtube grey test thing soon and see what the readings are.
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This, it’s been out since October or so.
Did you say it's been out since red October? lol
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Yes it does. All the apps use the same interface so Play, Pause, FF, RW etc. will work as expected. There's IP control as well.
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My ATV 4k will be here tomorrow. I'm so easily talked into new techie gadgets. :lol:
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*sigh*

My ATV 4k will be here tomorrow. I'm so easily talked into new techie gadgets. :lol:
I think you'll really enjoy it as it really compliments the LG imho.
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I think you'll really enjoy it as it really compliments the LG imho.
Totally agree. We really enjoy the ATV 4K. Definitely switch on the Match content & Dynamic Range. You'll get a moment of blank screen as it switches, but worth it for getting the correct settings for whatever you are playing through it

To enable the setting, go to Settings>Video and Audio>Match Content and turn both Match Dynamic Range and Match Frame Rate to On.
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what's the word on the new 05.80.15 firmware?...any issues?...should I wait or install immediately?
I got the update a few days ago. I see no changes.

I was hoping they would do something with CEC. My TV still randomly switches inputs a few times a day. Annoying.

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Definitely Cinema (Home) is brighter - and IMHO - a bit too much so - and bordering on harsh. That's why I went to the trouble to calibrate Cinema (User). I wanted it on par with HDR10 in terms of luminance performance. Mission accomplished - at least with my particular panel.

The other thing to keep in mind is that I do not watch any content using the built-in Netflix app. Instead, I watch Netflix on my AppleTV 4K. That may be the defining difference between my viewing experience and yours. I'll do a comparison viewing in the next couple of days and let you know.

EDIT/UPDATE: OK - I played content with both the internal Netflix app and the exact same content on my ATV 4K running Netflix, and even with the EXACT SAME PICTURE MODE - Cinema (User) - WITH THE EXACT SAME SETTINGS AND DV CALIBRATION FILE, the picture is definitely darker with the built-in Netflix app. I have no idea why other than the metadata from the ATV 4K is coming through HDMI.
I can take a signal analyzer and connect to the HDMI output of the ATV 4K to read all the data, or I can activate the HUD on the ATV 4K to see what it's spitting out; but I have no special app that I can run on the TV in order to read and compare the differences between the ATV 4K feed and the internal app.

I've attached a couple of pictures from my iPhone, and you can clearly see a difference in brightness. As an FYI, I watched 2001: A Space Odyssey in DV on my ATV 4K last night - and the beginning scene where the sun rises behind the earth - it was extremely bright and a bit uncomfortable to look at. It was almost like staring into a 700 nit sun.
I’d imagine the question is which is more accurate. Brighter or dimmer gives us no assurance of accuracy. I do tend to watch Netflix & Amazon on my 77G7’s apps and not on my ATV 4K, so I’m interested in which is more faithful to the content.
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I got the update a few days ago. I see no changes.

I was hoping they would do something with CEC. My TV still randomly switches inputs a few times a day. Annoying.
Mine turned off twice last night. This has been the pattern since the update. It’s the first issue I’ve had with my G7.
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Mine turned off twice last night. This has been the pattern since the update. It’s the first issue I’ve had with my G7.
Your turn off problem sounds like it would be more annoying than my input change problem.

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Mine turned off twice last night. This has been the pattern since the update. It’s the first issue I’ve had with my G7.
Well I have NO idea if this is even related to the latest update. However, since then, the Google Play Movies app will now play 4K HDR movies! I'm hoping somebody can tell me I'm crazy, because just last week this was NOT the case. The Google App on my LG has not been updated, so not really sure what's going on.

However I tested Logan and Atomic blonde, both come up HDR and 4K.
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Mine turned off twice last night. This has been the pattern since the update. It’s the first issue I’ve had with my G7.
What is going on with HDMI CEC? It's completely broke.. For the past weeks it has been completely mental. I will turn of my TV or put my Apple TV 4K to sleep and the TV is on five seconds later.. It's never off, it always wakes up.... Infuriating...

First I thought it was tvOS 12.1.1 but it's clearly my LG OLED65C7V that is to blame. I have a Apple TV 4K in the Living Room, another in the Bedroom. In the living room we have a LG OLED65C7V, in the bedroom we have the LG OLEDB6V. No issues in the bedroom.

I swapped the Apple TV's, took the one from the bedroom into the living room and the one from the living room into the bedroom and still the same. Only the LG OLED65C7V that is going crazy. I've tried all kind of crazy suggestions. Charging the Apple TV remote. Take both the LG Magic Remote and the Apple TV Remote out of range. Reboot both. Disable and re-enable CEC on both etc.. Disconnect Ethernet cables and whatnot. Nothing works.

I was on 05.80.10, I have now manually updated to 05.80.15 but still the same.. Judging from Reddit this has been a issue since 05.80.04. I have auto-updates enabled so I have no real clue when the TV updates. But I've had this issue for at least two weeks and it's driving me insane.

Tried to put the older 04.70.95 firmware onto a USB-stick but downgrades are clearly not supported.....


If it's indeed true that this has been a issue since 05.80.04 it doesn't seem like LG are even aware? 05.80.04 is from October, if they haven't fixed it yet even with several releases since then how long will it be before we actually get a update?


Do anyone have a guide on how to get my LGOLED65C7V back to 04.70.95??
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I’d imagine the question is which is more accurate. Brighter or dimmer gives us no assurance of accuracy. I do tend to watch Netflix & Amazon on my 77G7’s apps and not on my ATV 4K, so I’m interested in which is more faithful to the content.
IMO, playback from the ATV 4K will be the more accurate because it's connected to the TV via HDMI. When I calibrated my C7 for DV, I used a Murideo 6G pattern generator during the session. The Murideo's output is also HDMI, so we have a common variable there.

Then there's DV Profile 5. Profile 5 reshaped the EOTF, which made the custom CalMan DV workflow for 7 series TV's possible. This also paved the way for DV to finally look great on the 7 series TV's.

Obviously, the built-in Netflix app does not use HDMI - so there's one difference. But, it's almost like it's not following the Profile 5 EOTF, and is also ignoring the 20 point white balance settings - which correct the gamma to produce a flat 2.2. So basically, it reminds me of Cinema (User) before DV Profile 5 and before I made any adjustments to the 20 point. Too dark, and I was forced to raise the OLED LIGHT to compensate.
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VIZIO M70-D3 Calibration SDR/HDR FW 3.4.8.15: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post55595700

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What is going on with HDMI CEC? It's completely broke.. For the past weeks it has been completely mental. I will turn of my TV or put my Apple TV 4K to sleep and the TV is on five seconds later.. It's never off, it always wakes up.... Infuriating...



First I thought it was tvOS 12.1.1 but it's clearly my LG OLED65C7V that is to blame. I have a Apple TV 4K in the Living Room, another in the Bedroom. In the living room we have a LG OLED65C7V, in the bedroom we have the LG OLEDB6V. No issues in the bedroom.



I swapped the Apple TV's, took the one from the bedroom into the living room and the one from the living room into the bedroom and still the same. Only the LG OLED65C7V that is going crazy. I've tried all kind of crazy suggestions. Charging the Apple TV remote. Take both the LG Magic Remote and the Apple TV Remote out of range. Reboot both. Disable and re-enable CEC on both etc.. Disconnect Ethernet cables and whatnot. Nothing works.



I was on 05.80.10, I have now manually updated to 05.80.15 but still the same.. Judging from Reddit this has been a issue since 05.80.04. I have auto-updates enabled so I have no real clue when the TV updates. But I've had this issue for at least two weeks and it's driving me insane.



Tried to put the older 04.70.95 firmware onto a USB-stick but downgrades are clearly not supported.....





If it's indeed true that this has been a issue since 05.80.04 it doesn't seem like LG are even aware? 05.80.04 is from October, if they haven't fixed it yet even with several releases since then how long will it be before we actually get a update?





Do anyone have a guide on how to get my LGOLED65C7V back to 04.70.95??


1) you cannot rollback a firmware

2) CEC is a fickle beast, one day it works, the next it doesn’t. That’s why many don’t use it and instead use a device like a Harmony remote which is much more reliable and stable. There are no standards for CEC so everyone can do their own thing. When possible I always suggest NOT to have CEC power control on.
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