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Anyone having audio sync issues with the built in Amazon prime app going out to a soundbar? We watched a show tonight and it was sooooo annoying, it only happens on the prime app, Netflix and vudu are flawless... Any way to fix this without messing with the settings each time I watch prime?
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hey dear colleagues !
oled LG 55B7 and PS4PRO
I have some questions for you !
1. HOW CAN I FIX PLS! IN HDR GAME IS TO DARK ALL! i use dynamic contrast to Hight but is not like Standard HDR
2. What input need set to hdmi conection where i have console: PC or Games Console
5. sry for my bad english and thank you!
i have last version 05.80.15
No one have my problem to?!
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Apparently, the 2000 hour refresh exposes the flaw, but it only affects 55" OLED's produced in 2017: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX0AXzWm2cI

When you say "produced in 2017"... do you mean that a 2017 model produced in 2018 should be ok? I got my 2017 LG OLED 55 incher in summer 18.
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LG OLED 65” C7 Calibration ( OLED65C7P ) FW: 05.80.15 - ( CALIBRATION REV. 3.5 - Sept. 2 18 )

HAPPY LABOR DAY!

The settings below are ALL NEW except for HDR10 technicolor Expert.

NOTE: This will probably be my last settings hurrah on this thread due to the fact that our sets are now out of production, and firmware updates from LG will no doubt be prioritized for current models; i.e. 2018 - 8 series. If something comes out that radically changes things, then I will take another look and run new calibrations. Otherwise, I think this is a wrap.

With that said, most 7 series models should benefit from the settings below. This is assuming that your panel’s performance / specs are fairly close to mine. Variances in panels may yield different results. For most of us, it should be very close. If the variance is less than 3%, you will enjoy an awesome SDR and HDR picture.

These are actual meter based calibration settings ( vs. disc based ) using a recently certified ( June 2017 ) Spectracal C6 meter, Murideo 6G pattern generator, and CalMan for Biz 2017.

SDR notes: A few days ago, I ran a calibration recheck to see if my TV’s colors and gray scale had drifted since the January calibration.  There were very few differences - which is good news.  I decided to spend a little more time, and try to get things as close to perfect as possible.  As you will see with the attached Post Calibration screenshot for SDR technicolor Expert, things are almost perfect. On top of that, the adjustments to both the White Balance and CMS are extremely minor and well within single digits from the zero point. The SDR picture on my C7 looks phenomenal.

Dolby Vision notes: This is an ENTIRELY NEW revamp. The problem with the previous DV calibration was that I was allowing the EOTF curve to meander around like a river carving a new path. The delta errors looked good, but the gamma was all over which effected luminance performance especially in the lower and mid luminance ranges where most content lives. The general complaint about the Dolby Vision "Cinema (User)" picture being too dark has been eliminated as the 2.2 gamma target is now flat across all IRE levels. This made a huge difference in the overall brightness of the picture while still providing those spectral highlights that everyone expects with HDR content. Again, I am very pleased with this picture, and it looks much better than the previous revision.

The Calman “DV custom" workflow allows the calibrator to create a special file just for 2017 LG OLED’s, which is saved to a thumb drive and then loaded into the TV. Spectracal, Dolby, and LG worked very closely together to create this awesome workflow. It’s actually faster and easier to go through than an SDR calibration. The DV “custom” workflow focuses on greyscale and once the 2 point and 20 point have been adjusted, Calman then creates the file ( plain text ) and the calibration session is complete. There are no other adjustments, and the CMS is left untouched.

If you are interested in taking a closer look at this file, you should send me a private message with an email address so I can send to you.

For those of you who have already received the previous DV file, I have already sent out a new one with the same settings as listed below.

Updated SDR post calibration screenshot attached.

SDR Settings
SDR Picture Mode: “technicolor Expert”
Energy Saving: Off

BASIC SETTINGS:
OLED LIGHT: 49
Contrast: 85
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 10
Color: 48
Tint: 0

EXPERT CONTROLS
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Super Resolution: Off
Color Gamut: Auto
Edge Enhancer: On
Color Filter: Off
Gamma: 2.2 ( If you have 100% lighting control in the room and can get it really dark, then try BT.1886 or 2.4 )

WHITE BALANCE
Color Temperature: Warm2

Method: 2 Points
Low - R: 0, G: -1, B: 0
High - R: -5 G: 0, B: -1

Method: 20 Points
100 IRE, R: -7, G: -6, B: -5
90 IRE R: 0, G: -9, B: -8
80 IRE R: 0, G: 0, B: 0
70 IRE R: 0, G: -5, B: -7
60 IRE R: 0, G: 0, B: 0
50 IRE R: 0, G: 0, B: 0
40 IRE R: 0, G: 1, B: -1
30 IRE R: 0, G: -3, B: -4
20 IRE R: 0, G: 3, B: 2
10 IRE R: 0, G: 5, B: 6

COLOR MANAGEMENT SYSTEM
RED Sat 0, Tint 0,  Lum -1
GREEN Sat 0, Tint 0, Lum 2
BLUE Sat 2, Tint 1, Lum 5
CYAN Sat 2, Tint 2, Lum 2
MAGENTA Sat 2, Tint 5, Lum 0
YELLOW Sat 3, Tint 0, Lum -1

PICTURE OPTIONS
Noise Reduction : Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: On ( Default - greyed out )
Motion Eye Care: Off
TrueMotion: Off

ISF OLED LIGHT SUGGESTED SETTINGS - SDR - LG OLED 7 SERIES PANELS
BRIGHT ROOM:
OLED LIGHT @ 49 = TV Foot Lumens of 55 ( Range 50-60 )
DIM ROOM:
OLED LIGHT @ 36 = TV Foot Lumens of 45 ( Range 40-50 )
DARK ROOM:
OLED LIGHT @ 25 = TV Foot Lumens of 35 ( Range 30-40 )


HDR10 Settings
HDR-10 Picture Mode: technicolor Expert

BASIC SETTINGS:
OLED LIGHT: 70 ( This will vary depending what nit levels the content was mastered as well as room brightness. There’s not really a way to know the mastered nit levels of any given title without a Lumagen which can read the metadata. So this is really a “how does it look to you” kind of thing. 70 seems to be a “happy" medium )
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 10
Color: 55
Tint: 0

EXPERT CONTROLS
Dynamic Contrast: Low
Super Resolution: Off
Color Gamut: Auto
Edge Enhancer: On
Color Filter: Off
Gamma: 2.2 ( default and greyed out )

WHITE BALANCE
Color Temperature: Warm2
Method: 2 Points
High - R: -5, G: -3, B: 3
Low - R: 1 G: -1, B: -3

PICTURE OPTIONS
Noise Reduction : Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: On ( Default - greyed out )
Motion Eye Care: Off
TrueMotion: Off

Dolby Vision Settings
DV Picture Mode: Cinema (User)

OLED Light: 55 (a little better shadow detail than with the 50 default setting )
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 10
Color 50
Tint: 0

NOTE: The below settings must be accompanied with the installation of the DV calibration file as explained above.

WHITE BALANCE
Color Temperature: Warm2

Method: 2 Points
High R: -3, G: 1, B: 1
Low R: 5, G: -2, B: 2

Method: 20 Points
100 IRE R: 0, G: 1, B: -4
95 IRE R: -2, G: -4, B: -6
90 IRE R: -4, G: -5, B: -6
85 IRE R: -3, G: -6, B: -4
80 IRE R: -4, G: -5, B: -5
75 IRE R: -7, G: -7, B: -8
70 IRE R: -7, G: -6, B: -8
65 IRE R: -9, G: -9, B: -9
60 IRE R: -7, G: -7, B: -8
55 R: -8, G: -10, B: -10
50 IRE R: -7, G: -8, B: -9
45 IRE R: -8, G: -9, B: -10
40 IRE R: -6, G: -7, B: -8
35 IRE R: -4, G: -5, B: -8
30 IRE R: 10, G: 9, B: 8
25 IRE R: 17, G: 17, B: 16
20 IRE R: 22, G: 22, B: 23
15 IRE R: 21, G: 22, B: 22
10 IRE R: 19, G: 21, B: 21
5 IRE R: 11 G: 14, B: 12


Enjoy. Feedback is welcome.
I have entered the settings described in this post but when I do, I get very severe light clipping in test video files taken from here https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...libration.html
The light clipping has bars well above the desired 234 blinking but if up brightness to where that is not the case (around 56), I end up with way to many of the black bars blinking in the black clipping test. Anyone have an idea what might be the problem?
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I have entered the settings described in this post but when I do, I get very severe light clipping in test video files taken from here https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...libration.html
The light clipping has bars well above the desired 234 blinking but if up brightness to where that is not the case (around 56), I end up with way to many of the black bars blinking in the black clipping test. Anyone have an idea what might be the problem?
No matter how "good" another persons settings are they are based on their TV, While it may work well on many sets it is NOT A CALIBRATION of your TV and might cause a problem. Maybe someone can suggest a "modification" to correct your issue?
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I am using sonoftumble's settings on my 65C7. My room is light controlled at all times. I'm having issues with, I believe, shadow detail on most Netflix Dolby Vision shows and Prime HDR shows. It is particularly noticeable on any of the Marvel shows, Sabrina and Man In The High Castle. What settings should I be looking at to adjust this or is this just the nature of these shows? Thanks.

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My 55B7 ran it's 2000 hour pixel refresh today and I am happy to report that all looks well. Viewed some of the color screen vids on Youtube and the screen looks very uniform and HDR and SDR content still looks amazing! Happy camper here.
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I have entered the settings described in this post but when I do, I get very severe light clipping in test video files taken from here https://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-d...libration.html
The light clipping has bars well above the desired 234 blinking but if up brightness to where that is not the case (around 56), I end up with way to many of the black bars blinking in the black clipping test. Anyone have an idea what might be the problem?
Don't mess with it. For SDR/HDR/DV signals, I left both the Contrast (White Levels) and Brightness (Black Levels) at their factory default settings for a chosen picture mode. On LG OLED's, (infinite contrast) you will always see more range than the actual content will produce, and it's OK if it exceeds 235. On my C7, I could see the blinking squares up to around 244.

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I am using sonoftumble's settings on my 65C7. My room is light controlled at all times. I'm having issues with, I believe, shadow detail on most Netflix Dolby Vision shows and Prime HDR shows. It is particularly noticeable on any of the Marvel shows, Sabrina and Man In The High Castle. What settings should I be looking at to adjust this or is this just the nature of these shows? Thanks.

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It's the nature of beast - in this case - the "Tone Mapping" beast. When content is mastered at nits levels that majorly exceed the light output capabilities of TV's on the market today, the only way to get some kind of reasonable luminance behavior with HDR signals is to employ tone mapping algorithms.

For example, the Marvel shows were mastered at 4,000 nits and your C7 is good for 700 nits on its best day. So the light output levels have to be mapped/translated to the much lower levels of the TV, which will cause things such as shadow detail to take a hit. I call this the "Sunglasses Effect" - i.e. watching TV while wearing sunglasses.

Try turning up the OLED light a bit. As you probably noticed with the DV Calibration, I got very aggressive with certain 20 point IRE levels in order to improve shadow detail performance. It helped quite a bit, but still is not perfect.
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Totally agree - each set is unique unto itself - Sadly what “looks best" is a totally subjective opinion!

I purchased my set @ VE and had the panel broken in and calibrated by John. I was also at this year’s HDTV shoot out. What was very interesting was the frequent differences between the way the 9 experts/professional saw the TV’s and us 70 or so regular folks.

The experts look for ‘the correct” many of us look for “what looks best” which at times can be very different. As the old saying goes “beauty is in the eyes of the beholder”

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It's the nature of beast - in this case - the "Tone Mapping" beast. When content is mastered at nits levels that majorly exceed the light output capabilities of TV's on the market today, the only way to get some kind of reasonable luminance behavior with HDR signals is to employ tone mapping algorithms.

For example, the Marvel shows were mastered at 4,000 nits and your C7 is good for 700 nits on its best day. So the light output levels have to be mapped/translated to the much lower levels of the TV, which will cause things such as shadow detail to take a hit. I call this the "Sunglasses Effect" - i.e. watching TV while wearing sunglasses.

Try turning up the OLED light a bit. As you probably noticed with the DV Calibration, I got very aggressive with certain 20 point IRE levels in order to improve shadow detail performance. It helped quite a bit, but still is not perfect.
Amazing you took the time to share these settings. Thank you! Any future plans for game mode settings for SDR and HDR? Thank you again!!
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When you say "produced in 2017"... do you mean that a 2017 model produced in 2018 should be ok? I got my 2017 LG OLED 55 incher in summer 18.
A 2017 LG OLED is not going to have a 2018 panel. The specs are just too different.

On your C7, go to Settings/General/About This TV/ESN. It should start with "LGTV20171="

I tried to find the serial number decoding information but was not successful. The serial number will tell you the month and year of manufacturing. I doubt your C7 was manufactured beyond January 2018.

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Don't mess with it. For SDR/HDR/DV signals, I left both the Contrast (White Levels) and Brightness (Black Levels) at their factory default settings for a chosen picture mode. On LG OLED's, (infinite contrast) you will always see more range than the actual content will produce, and it's OK if it exceeds 235. On my C7, I could see the blinking squares up to around 244.
I'll try those settings with a movie. I did get the test clips to only blink at around the reference bars with brightness at 53 and contrast at 97 with those settings I watched Tron: Legacy which looked mostly fine, except that I noticed the film grain effect more than I usually do in movies.
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Totally agree - each set is unique unto itself - Sadly what “looks best" is a totally subjective opinion!
While there is clearly no substitute for a true Pro Calibration performed on your specific TV, OLED panels are considerably more consistent - ( being that they are short runs ) - from one to the next vs. most LCD panels.

I have received pre-calibration scans from several subscribers to this thread, and also have had the opportunity to take scans on several 7 and 8 series OLED's. Admittedly this was a random sampling, but the bottom line is that the variances were less than 2% which is essentially invisible to the human eye. This is a true testament to the quality of our TV's!!
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While there is clearly no substitute for a true Pro Calibration performed on your specific TV, OLED panels are considerably more consistent - ( being that they are short runs ) - from one to the next vs. most LCD panels.

I have received pre-calibration scans from several subscribers to this thread, and also have had the opportunity to take scans on several 7 and 8 series OLED's. Admittedly this was a random sampling, but the bottom line is that the variances were less than 2% which is essentially invisible to the human eye. This is a true testament to the quality of our TV's!!
Can you quickly explain why you choose OLED light of 70 for HDR settings? I thought with HDR you'd want it at max to get the brightest possible highlights? Thank you for taking the time to share your settings by the way!
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Amazing you took the time to share these settings. Thank you! Any future plans for game mode settings for SDR and HDR? Thank you again!!
Last week, I ran an HDR10 auto-calibration on a 2018 E8. The auto-cal feature only works on 2018 models. I set the delta error to 1%, and the entire process was done in about 15 minutes. The end result picture was absolutely fantastic.

What I also noticed is that the EOTF curve was completely flattened - similar to what I did manually with Dolby Vision on my C7, so I am now planning to do the same thing with HDR10. Since this will be a manual process, it will obviously take more than 15 minutes (lol). It won't be for gaming, but I will run some scans using a gaming picture mode to see if the settings would also apply.

I hope to find the time to do this and post the settings/results next week.

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Can you quickly explain why you choose OLED light of 70 for HDR settings? I thought with HDR you'd want it at max to get the brightest possible highlights? Thank you for taking the time to share your settings by the way!
I recently increased my OLED LIGHT setting to 85 which I am very happy with. I thought I had edited my posting to reflect that change, but apparently not. Sorry about that.

It's all about the mastered nit levels and how our TV's handle tone mapping. The higher the nit level's the more severe the tone mapping. There's also eye comfort levels and room lighting conditions to consider. With HDR content, the "dimmest" mastered nits are around 2,000 and going up to 10,000. Most Dolby Vision content was/is mastered at 4,000 nits but their specs support 10,000. Set the OLED LIGHT to 100 (default), and see if you like it. On its best day, the 7 series OLED's will output around 700 nits. So, the effort to achieve the brightest whites and darkest blacks will not always be in harmony.

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I’d also suggest people read the calibration thread(at least the first 50 or so pages) before using someone else’s settings.

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A 2017 LG OLED is not going to have a 2018 panel. The specs are just too different.

On your C7, go to Settings/General/About This TV/ESN. It should start with "LGTV20171="

I tried to find the serial number decoding information but was not successful. The serial number will tell you the month and year of manufacturing. I doubt your C7 was manufactured beyond January 2018.
Query, is the problem potentially with all 2017 55's or just a smaller subset of them? I seem to recall a post from much earlier in this thread indicating that the problem was limited to a relatively small subset of 2017 55's, specifically (if my memory of the post is correct) a batch produced in January and/or February 2017. Is my memory of this correct?
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Query, is the problem potentially with all 2017 55's or just a smaller subset of them? I seem to recall a post from much earlier in this thread indicating that the problem was limited to a relatively small subset of 2017 55's, specifically (if my memory of the post is correct) a batch produced in January and/or February 2017. Is my memory of this correct?
It's not all 55". Definitely a subset.
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Last week, I ran an HDR10 auto-calibration on a 2018 E8. The auto-cal feature only works on 2018 models. I set the delta error to 1%, and the entire process was done in about 15 minutes. The end result picture was absolutely fantastic.

What I also noticed is that the EOTF curve was completely flattened - similar to what I did manually with Dolby Vision on my C7, so I am now planning to do the same thing with HDR10. Since this will be a manual process, it will obviously take more than 15 minutes (lol). It won't be for gaming, but I will run some scans using a gaming picture mode to see if the settings would also apply.

I hope to find the time to do this and post the settings/results next week.

I've been trying to figure out just how much I like Oppo 203's Dolby Vision upconversion and your Dolby Vision settings and file are putting a beating on technicolor HDR so very eager to get best from HDR for a fair fight. The Oppo also does SDR to Dolby Vision upconversion. My initial viewing shows inputs very close, but I've got a sneaking suspicion your DV setting are tilting the playing field.
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Don't mess with it. For SDR/HDR/DV signals, I left both the Contrast (White Levels) and Brightness (Black Levels) at their factory default settings for a chosen picture mode. On LG OLED's, (infinite contrast) you will always see more range than the actual content will produce, and it's OK if it exceeds 235. On my C7, I could see the blinking squares up to around 244.
Is it okay too if the black bar blinks later than 17? I'd say for me only 20 and higher are blinking when I use the settings posted as they are.
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Is it okay too if the black bar blinks later than 17? I'd say for me only 20 and higher are blinking when I use the settings posted as they are.
Ideally, 16 should be the same as the background or black/invisible. 17 and up should be visible. Obviously, 17 should be barely visible.

Are you sure you have gamma set to 2.2? If yes, then slightly adjust Brightness upwards. By slightly, I mean +5 max.

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Ideally, 16 should be the same as the background or black/invisible. 17 and up should be visible. Obviously, 17 should be barely visible.

Are you sure you have gamma set to 2.2? If yes, then slightly adjust Brightness upwards. By slightly, I mean +5 max.
Gamma is set to 2.2 I can confirm. I can get bar 17 to just barely flash (have to be an inch from the TV to notice) with a brightness of 52 so no big change needed there. The white clipping test video on the other hand has every bar except for 252 and 253 flashing, which still seems pretty high.
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Anyone having audio sync issues with the built in Amazon prime app going out to a soundbar? We watched a show tonight and it was sooooo annoying, it only happens on the prime app, Netflix and vudu are flawless... Any way to fix this without messing with the settings each time I watch prime?
Yes. Same exact problem for me.. Very annoying. it happens with older shows more than new content. The Soprano's is unwatchable using my soundbar so I just switch over when using the Prime App.
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I have some questions for you !
1. HOW CAN I FIX PLS! IN HDR GAME IS TO DARK ALL! i use dynamic contrast to Hight but is not like Standard HDR
2. What input need set to hdmi conection where i have console: PC or Games Console
5. sry for my bad english and thank you!
i have last version 05.80.15
Have a look to the gaming recommended settings by clicking my signature.

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The experts look for ‘the correct” many of us look for “what looks best” which at times can be very different. As the old saying goes “beauty is in the eyes of the beholder”
When you choose the right calibrator he will review your TV when he is done and tweak it the way "you" like, as you are the expert in your home, no one else ....
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Anyone having audio sync issues with the built in Amazon prime app going out to a soundbar? We watched a show tonight and it was sooooo annoying, it only happens on the prime app, Netflix and vudu are flawless... Any way to fix this without messing with the settings each time I watch prime?
Yes. Same exact problem for me.. Very annoying. it happens with older shows more than new content. The Soprano's is unwatchable using my soundbar so I just switch over when using the Prime App.
Just FYI I ran to BB and grabbed a fire stick 4k it's on sale right now same price as on Amazon, the prime app coming from the stick going into the TV and out via arc is flawless!! We'll worth the little $ to not have to look for that issus!!

Now, is there any way to get xfinity lip sync fixed when running 5.1? I had to change the output to pcm because it's absolutely UNACCEPTABLE IN 5.1
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Anyone else notice HDR10 is screwed up on the Apple TV Amazon app? The colors are screwed up like when YouTube HDR was broken.

Looks fine on Roku and the internal app.
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LG OLED 65” C7 Calibration ( OLED65C7P ) FW: 05.80.15 - ( CALIBRATION REV. 3.5 - Sept. 2 18 )

HAPPY LABOR DAY!

The settings below are ALL NEW except for HDR10 technicolor Expert.

NOTE: This will probably be my last settings hurrah on this thread due to the fact that our sets are now out of production, and firmware updates from LG will no doubt be prioritized for current models; i.e. 2018 - 8 series. If something comes out that radically changes things, then I will take another look and run new calibrations. Otherwise, I think this is a wrap.

With that said, most 7 series models should benefit from the settings below. This is assuming that your panel’s performance / specs are fairly close to mine. Variances in panels may yield different results. For most of us, it should be very close. If the variance is less than 3%, you will enjoy an awesome SDR and HDR picture.

These are actual meter based calibration settings ( vs. disc based ) using a recently certified ( June 2017 ) Spectracal C6 meter, Murideo 6G pattern generator, and CalMan for Biz 2017.

SDR notes: A few days ago, I ran a calibration recheck to see if my TV’s colors and gray scale had drifted since the January calibration.  There were very few differences - which is good news.  I decided to spend a little more time, and try to get things as close to perfect as possible.  As you will see with the attached Post Calibration screenshot for SDR technicolor Expert, things are almost perfect. On top of that, the adjustments to both the White Balance and CMS are extremely minor and well within single digits from the zero point. The SDR picture on my C7 looks phenomenal.

Dolby Vision notes: This is an ENTIRELY NEW revamp. The problem with the previous DV calibration was that I was allowing the EOTF curve to meander around like a river carving a new path. The delta errors looked good, but the gamma was all over which effected luminance performance especially in the lower and mid luminance ranges where most content lives. The general complaint about the Dolby Vision "Cinema (User)" picture being too dark has been eliminated as the 2.2 gamma target is now flat across all IRE levels. This made a huge difference in the overall brightness of the picture while still providing those spectral highlights that everyone expects with HDR content. Again, I am very pleased with this picture, and it looks much better than the previous revision.

The Calman “DV custom" workflow allows the calibrator to create a special file just for 2017 LG OLED’s, which is saved to a thumb drive and then loaded into the TV. Spectracal, Dolby, and LG worked very closely together to create this awesome workflow. It’s actually faster and easier to go through than an SDR calibration. The DV “custom” workflow focuses on greyscale and once the 2 point and 20 point have been adjusted, Calman then creates the file ( plain text ) and the calibration session is complete. There are no other adjustments, and the CMS is left untouched.

If you are interested in taking a closer look at this file, you should send me a private message with an email address so I can send to you.

For those of you who have already received the previous DV file, I have already sent out a new one with the same settings as listed below.

Updated SDR post calibration screenshot attached.

SDR Settings
SDR Picture Mode: “technicolor Expert”
Energy Saving: Off

BASIC SETTINGS:
OLED LIGHT: 49
Contrast: 85
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 10
Color: 48
Tint: 0

EXPERT CONTROLS
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Super Resolution: Off
Color Gamut: Auto
Edge Enhancer: On
Color Filter: Off
Gamma: 2.2 ( If you have 100% lighting control in the room and can get it really dark, then try BT.1886 or 2.4 )

WHITE BALANCE
Color Temperature: Warm2

Method: 2 Points
Low - R: 0, G: -1, B: 0
High - R: -5 G: 0, B: -1

Method: 20 Points
100 IRE, R: -7, G: -6, B: -5
90 IRE R: 0, G: -9, B: -8
80 IRE R: 0, G: 0, B: 0
70 IRE R: 0, G: -5, B: -7
60 IRE R: 0, G: 0, B: 0
50 IRE R: 0, G: 0, B: 0
40 IRE R: 0, G: 1, B: -1
30 IRE R: 0, G: -3, B: -4
20 IRE R: 0, G: 3, B: 2
10 IRE R: 0, G: 5, B: 6

COLOR MANAGEMENT SYSTEM
RED Sat 0, Tint 0,  Lum -1
GREEN Sat 0, Tint 0, Lum 2
BLUE Sat 2, Tint 1, Lum 5
CYAN Sat 2, Tint 2, Lum 2
MAGENTA Sat 2, Tint 5, Lum 0
YELLOW Sat 3, Tint 0, Lum -1

PICTURE OPTIONS
Noise Reduction : Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: On ( Default - greyed out )
Motion Eye Care: Off
TrueMotion: Off

ISF OLED LIGHT SUGGESTED SETTINGS - SDR - LG OLED 7 SERIES PANELS
BRIGHT ROOM:
OLED LIGHT @ 49 = TV Foot Lumens of 55 ( Range 50-60 )
DIM ROOM:
OLED LIGHT @ 36 = TV Foot Lumens of 45 ( Range 40-50 )
DARK ROOM:
OLED LIGHT @ 25 = TV Foot Lumens of 35 ( Range 30-40 )


HDR10 Settings
HDR-10 Picture Mode: technicolor Expert

BASIC SETTINGS:
OLED LIGHT: 85 (Default: 100) This setting will vary depending what nit levels the content was mastered as well as room brightness. There’s not really a way to know the mastered nit levels of any given title without a Lumagen which can read the metadata. So this is really a “how does it look to you” kind of thing. 85 seems to be a “happy" medium, but there's also eye comfort levels to consider.
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 10
Color: 55
Tint: 0

EXPERT CONTROLS
Dynamic Contrast: Low
Super Resolution: Off
Color Gamut: Auto
Edge Enhancer: On
Color Filter: Off
Gamma: 2.2 ( default and greyed out )

WHITE BALANCE
Color Temperature: Warm2
Method: 2 Points
High - R: -5, G: -3, B: 3
Low - R: 1 G: -1, B: -3

PICTURE OPTIONS
Noise Reduction : Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: On ( Default - greyed out )
Motion Eye Care: Off
TrueMotion: Off

Dolby Vision Settings
DV Picture Mode: Cinema (User)

OLED Light: 55 (a little better shadow detail than with the 50 default setting )
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 10
Color 50
Tint: 0

NOTE: The below settings must be accompanied with the installation of the DV calibration file as explained above.

WHITE BALANCE
Color Temperature: Warm2

Method: 2 Points
High R: -3, G: 1, B: 1
Low R: 5, G: -2, B: 2

Method: 20 Points
100 IRE R: 0, G: 1, B: -4
95 IRE R: -2, G: -4, B: -6
90 IRE R: -4, G: -5, B: -6
85 IRE R: -3, G: -6, B: -4
80 IRE R: -4, G: -5, B: -5
75 IRE R: -7, G: -7, B: -8
70 IRE R: -7, G: -6, B: -8
65 IRE R: -9, G: -9, B: -9
60 IRE R: -7, G: -7, B: -8
55 R: -8, G: -10, B: -10
50 IRE R: -7, G: -8, B: -9
45 IRE R: -8, G: -9, B: -10
40 IRE R: -6, G: -7, B: -8
35 IRE R: -4, G: -5, B: -8
30 IRE R: 10, G: 9, B: 8
25 IRE R: 17, G: 17, B: 16
20 IRE R: 22, G: 22, B: 23
15 IRE R: 21, G: 22, B: 22
10 IRE R: 19, G: 21, B: 21
5 IRE R: 11 G: 14, B: 12


Enjoy. Feedback is welcome.
Why does SDR have 10 IRE points under 20 points? (Mine has 20)

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