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LG OLED 65” C7 Calibration ( OLED65C7P ) FW: 05.80.15 - ( CALIBRATION REV. 3.5 - Sept. 2 18 )

HAPPY LABOR DAY!

The settings below are ALL NEW except for HDR10 technicolor Expert.

NOTE: This will probably be my last settings hurrah on this thread due to the fact that our sets are now out of production, and firmware updates from LG will no doubt be prioritized for current models; i.e. 2018 - 8 series. If something comes out that radically changes things, then I will take another look and run new calibrations. Otherwise, I think this is a wrap.

With that said, most 7 series models should benefit from the settings below. This is assuming that your panel’s performance / specs are fairly close to mine. Variances in panels may yield different results. For most of us, it should be very close. If the variance is less than 3%, you will enjoy an awesome SDR and HDR picture.

These are actual meter based calibration settings ( vs. disc based ) using a recently certified ( June 2017 ) Spectracal C6 meter, Murideo 6G pattern generator, and CalMan for Biz 2017.

SDR notes: A few days ago, I ran a calibration recheck to see if my TV’s colors and gray scale had drifted since the January calibration.  There were very few differences - which is good news.  I decided to spend a little more time, and try to get things as close to perfect as possible.  As you will see with the attached Post Calibration screenshot for SDR technicolor Expert, things are almost perfect. On top of that, the adjustments to both the White Balance and CMS are extremely minor and well within single digits from the zero point. The SDR picture on my C7 looks phenomenal.

Dolby Vision notes: This is an ENTIRELY NEW revamp. The problem with the previous DV calibration was that I was allowing the EOTF curve to meander around like a river carving a new path. The delta errors looked good, but the gamma was all over which effected luminance performance especially in the lower and mid luminance ranges where most content lives. The general complaint about the Dolby Vision "Cinema (User)" picture being too dark has been eliminated as the 2.2 gamma target is now flat across all IRE levels. This made a huge difference in the overall brightness of the picture while still providing those spectral highlights that everyone expects with HDR content. Again, I am very pleased with this picture, and it looks much better than the previous revision.

The Calman “DV custom" workflow allows the calibrator to create a special file just for 2017 LG OLED’s, which is saved to a thumb drive and then loaded into the TV. Spectracal, Dolby, and LG worked very closely together to create this awesome workflow. It’s actually faster and easier to go through than an SDR calibration. The DV “custom” workflow focuses on greyscale and once the 2 point and 20 point have been adjusted, Calman then creates the file ( plain text ) and the calibration session is complete. There are no other adjustments, and the CMS is left untouched.

If you are interested in taking a closer look at this file, you should send me a private message with an email address so I can send to you.

For those of you who have already received the previous DV file, I have already sent out a new one with the same settings as listed below.

Updated SDR post calibration screenshot attached.

SDR Settings
SDR Picture Mode: “technicolor Expert”
Energy Saving: Off

BASIC SETTINGS:
OLED LIGHT: 49
Contrast: 85
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 10
Color: 48
Tint: 0

EXPERT CONTROLS
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Super Resolution: Off
Color Gamut: Auto
Edge Enhancer: On
Color Filter: Off
Gamma: 2.2 ( If you have 100% lighting control in the room and can get it really dark, then try BT.1886 or 2.4 )

WHITE BALANCE
Color Temperature: Warm2

Method: 2 Points
Low - R: 0, G: -1, B: 0
High - R: -5 G: 0, B: -1

Method: 20 Points
100 IRE, R: -7, G: -6, B: -5
90 IRE R: 0, G: -9, B: -8
80 IRE R: 0, G: 0, B: 0
70 IRE R: 0, G: -5, B: -7
60 IRE R: 0, G: 0, B: 0
50 IRE R: 0, G: 0, B: 0
40 IRE R: 0, G: 1, B: -1
30 IRE R: 0, G: -3, B: -4
20 IRE R: 0, G: 3, B: 2
10 IRE R: 0, G: 5, B: 6

COLOR MANAGEMENT SYSTEM
RED Sat 0, Tint 0,  Lum -1
GREEN Sat 0, Tint 0, Lum 2
BLUE Sat 2, Tint 1, Lum 5
CYAN Sat 2, Tint 2, Lum 2
MAGENTA Sat 2, Tint 5, Lum 0
YELLOW Sat 3, Tint 0, Lum -1

PICTURE OPTIONS
Noise Reduction : Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: On ( Default - greyed out )
Motion Eye Care: Off
TrueMotion: Off

ISF OLED LIGHT SUGGESTED SETTINGS - SDR - LG OLED 7 SERIES PANELS
BRIGHT ROOM:
OLED LIGHT @ 49 = TV Foot Lumens of 55 ( Range 50-60 )
DIM ROOM:
OLED LIGHT @ 36 = TV Foot Lumens of 45 ( Range 40-50 )
DARK ROOM:
OLED LIGHT @ 25 = TV Foot Lumens of 35 ( Range 30-40 )


HDR10 Settings
HDR-10 Picture Mode: technicolor Expert

BASIC SETTINGS:
OLED LIGHT: 85 (Default: 100) This setting will vary depending what nit levels the content was mastered as well as room brightness. There’s not really a way to know the mastered nit levels of any given title without a Lumagen which can read the metadata. So this is really a “how does it look to you” kind of thing. 85 seems to be a “happy" medium, but there's also eye comfort levels to consider.
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 10
Color: 55
Tint: 0

EXPERT CONTROLS
Dynamic Contrast: Low
Super Resolution: Off
Color Gamut: Auto
Edge Enhancer: On
Color Filter: Off
Gamma: 2.2 ( default and greyed out )

WHITE BALANCE
Color Temperature: Warm2
Method: 2 Points
High - R: -5, G: -3, B: 3
Low - R: 1 G: -1, B: -3

PICTURE OPTIONS
Noise Reduction : Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: On ( Default - greyed out )
Motion Eye Care: Off
TrueMotion: Off

Dolby Vision Settings
DV Picture Mode: Cinema (User)

OLED Light: 55 (a little better shadow detail than with the 50 default setting )
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 10
Color 50
Tint: 0

NOTE: The below settings must be accompanied with the installation of the DV calibration file as explained above.

WHITE BALANCE
Color Temperature: Warm2

Method: 2 Points
High R: -3, G: 1, B: 1
Low R: 5, G: -2, B: 2

Method: 20 Points
100 IRE R: 0, G: 1, B: -4
95 IRE R: -2, G: -4, B: -6
90 IRE R: -4, G: -5, B: -6
85 IRE R: -3, G: -6, B: -4
80 IRE R: -4, G: -5, B: -5
75 IRE R: -7, G: -7, B: -8
70 IRE R: -7, G: -6, B: -8
65 IRE R: -9, G: -9, B: -9
60 IRE R: -7, G: -7, B: -8
55 R: -8, G: -10, B: -10
50 IRE R: -7, G: -8, B: -9
45 IRE R: -8, G: -9, B: -10
40 IRE R: -6, G: -7, B: -8
35 IRE R: -4, G: -5, B: -8
30 IRE R: 10, G: 9, B: 8
25 IRE R: 17, G: 17, B: 16
20 IRE R: 22, G: 22, B: 23
15 IRE R: 21, G: 22, B: 22
10 IRE R: 19, G: 21, B: 21
5 IRE R: 11 G: 14, B: 12


Enjoy. Feedback is welcome.
Why does SDR have 10 IRE points under 20 points? (Mine has 20)

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Why does SDR have 10 IRE points under 20 points? (Mine has 20)
I skipped the 5, 15, 25 etc. IRE points because it wasn't necessary to adjust those in order to get an almost perfect greyscale.
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Gamma is set to 2.2 I can confirm. I can get bar 17 to just barely flash (have to be an inch from the TV to notice) with a brightness of 52 so no big change needed there. The white clipping test video on the other hand has every bar except for 252 and 253 flashing, which still seems pretty high.
It does seem high, but that's actually pretty normal for the technicolor Expert SDR picture mode. Since contrast is 85 (default), you have room there to lower it. Make sure you have Dynamic Contrast turned off. It's been awhile, but I seem to recall that my contrast pluge pattern topped out at around 244. Either way these OLED's will easily exceed 235.

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I skipped the 5, 15, 25 etc. IRE points because it wasn't necessary to adjust those in order to get an almost perfect greyscale.
So leave 5, 15, etc. all on 0, no?

I'm on a mission right now comparing iTunes and Vudu DV movies with HDR discs and Oppo 203/205 upmixing to DV. Hoping you have some new HDR settings because right now its not even close with upconverted DV beating HDR. Just was looking at Labyrinth and iTunes copy very, very nice. HDR disc full of noise/film grain. DV upconversion of HDR disc much better than the disc and doesn't exterminate all the noise/film grain, but must be said someone went to a lot of effort for the iTunes DV version. Soundwise the dolby truehd atmos on disc trounces the iTunes for that movie. Personally I've been picking up the DV iTunes versions over the HDR discs for some time now because of Dolby Vision superiority, but just recently discovered the Oppo's summer firmware update that allows it to do some rather impressive upconversion to Dolby Vision on its own. In the heart of it all are your DV settings and file.
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Have a look to the gaming recommended settings by clicking my signature.

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i do . but is not like same standard HDR - is more dark :\
i see a post on youtube and one man say : use input PC (on Console) and put standard HDR not HDRGAME .. what u say about that?
can`t insert link try search youtube "NO MORE DIM HDR GAMING LG OLED B7"
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i do . but is not like same standard HDR - is more dark :\
i see a post on youtube and one man say : use input PC (on Console) and put standard HDR not HDRGAME .. what u say about that?
can`t insert link try search youtube "NO MORE DIM HDR GAMING LG OLED B7"
iE - u have more post for sdr/hdr game console what is last version for frimware OLED B7 05.80.15 - can u give me a link? in your signature for frist page?
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i do . but is not like same standard HDR - is more dark :\
i see a post on youtube and one man say : use input PC (on Console) and put standard HDR not HDRGAME .. what u say about that?
can`t insert link try search youtube "NO MORE DIM HDR GAMING LG OLED B7"
Is more dark because it's better that way.
HDR Standard is in fact overly bright with a lot of bright details' clipping, and PC Mode + HDR Standard will NOT have 21ms low input lag but something around 40-45ms.

Calibrated "non-PC" HDR Game mode (using suggested settings, including High DC) is the best you can get with your C7 and gaming.
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what settings is last for my LG OLED B7V - 05.80.15 frimware
i have two here
1. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...33ov2YkvY/edit
2. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...qabBqxj0I/edit

which you recommend 1 or 2 ?
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what settings is last for my LG OLED B7V - 05.80.15 frimware
i have two here
1. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...33ov2YkvY/edit
2. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...qabBqxj0I/edit

which you recommend 1 or 2 ?
The 1. is latest and greatest for X1X HDR (v5.3.2).
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Anyone else notice HDR10 is screwed up on the Apple TV Amazon app? The colors are screwed up like when YouTube HDR was broken.

Looks fine on Roku and the internal app.

Not an issue with me. Grand Tour being one example.

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Not an issue with me. Grand Tour being one example.

Hmm, that's the show I was watching too.


I have to try and take a pic after work today to make sure I'm not going crazy.
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The 1. is latest and greatest for X1X HDR (v5.3.2).
on 2 u say that : HDMI1 Input Mode: PC (official Firmware v5.80.04 or above is required) and me i have 05.80.15
Picture Mode: HDR STANDARD
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Hmm, that's the show I was watching too.


I have to try and take a pic after work today to make sure I'm not going crazy.


https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...ons-1-2-a.html
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So leave 5, 15, etc. all on 0, no?

I'm on a mission right now comparing iTunes and Vudu DV movies with HDR discs and Oppo 203/205 upmixing to DV. Hoping you have some new HDR settings because right now its not even close with upconverted DV beating HDR. Just was looking at Labyrinth and iTunes copy very, very nice. HDR disc full of noise/film grain. DV upconversion of HDR disc much better than the disc and doesn't exterminate all the noise/film grain, but must be said someone went to a lot of effort for the iTunes DV version. Soundwise the dolby truehd atmos on disc trounces the iTunes for that movie. Personally I've been picking up the DV iTunes versions over the HDR discs for some time now because of Dolby Vision superiority, but just recently discovered the Oppo's summer firmware update that allows it to do some rather impressive upconversion to Dolby Vision on its own. In the heart of it all are your DV settings and file.
Yes. Leave 5, 15, 25, etc. set to zero (0). Glad to hear you are enjoying the DV settings!
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on 2 u say that : HDMI1 Input Mode: PC (official Firmware v5.80.04 or above is required) and me i have 05.80.15
Picture Mode: HDR STANDARD
2. was an old profile, before figuring out the increased input lag in PC HDR Standard mode compared to non-PC HDR Game (40-50ms Vs 21ms), and before obtaining a better PQ with HDR Game tweaking High DC.

Avoid PC Mode now, and use latest non-PC suggested profiles.
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Are subtitles from MKV's broken for anyone else on the LG internal player as-of the latest (and last apparently) Firmware?


I have an MKV, on my PC using VLC it clearly has subtitles. When I play it form USB on my LG, the subtitle option is greyed out. Can someone else confirm this?
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Are subtitles from MKV's broken for anyone else on the LG internal player as-of the latest (and last apparently) Firmware?


I have an MKV, on my PC using VLC it clearly has subtitles. When I play it form USB on my LG, the subtitle option is greyed out. Can someone else confirm this?
Working fine here using the internal media player on 5.80.15 from Serviio over wired.
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Working fine here using the internal media player on 5.80.15 from Serviio over wired.

Hmmm was the MKV made with MakeMKV? Also, can you try via USB?
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Hmmm was the MKV made with MakeMKV? Also, can you try via USB?
No, MKVToolNix. USB worked the same as UPNP/DLNA via the internal app - subtitles work as expected.
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Anyone seeing major pixelization and cloudy blacks on the Amazon Prime App?

I was watching Hereditary in UHD and the quality during the dark scenes was unwatchable. I don't know the correct terminology but I would call it a combination of pixelization and severely degraded blacks and near blacks that make the dark scenes look like they are being downloaded on a 56K old school modem.

Is it the built in Amazon App or just a problem with Amazon Prime Video in general?
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Anyone seeing major pixelization and cloudy blacks on the Amazon Prime App?

I was watching Hereditary in UHD and the quality during the dark scenes was unwatchable. I don't know the correct terminology but I would call it a combination of pixelization and severely degraded blacks and near blacks that make the dark scenes look like they are being downloaded on a 56K old school modem.

Is it the built in Amazon App or just a problem with Amazon Prime Video in general?
Working fine here, all content on all devices (TV/Roku/XB1X), 1080p and 2160p, SDR/HDR/DV, including Hereditary 4K HDR
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This is a true testament to the quality of our TV's!!
I have said it once and I will say it again, I wonder if there is a point where these display devises exceed our eyesight.........

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I have said it once and I will say it again, I wonder if there is a point where these display devises exceed our eyesight.........
In terms of resolution definitely. I can't really say that I see any more detail in my 65B7 than I did in my old 55 1080 TV and I do sit at just 6 feet four inches from the 4K. Unlees we go to much bigger screens I can't see any visual benefit in going to 8K but I fear that is where we are heading.

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I have said it once and I will say it again, I wonder if there is a point where these display devises exceed our eyesight.........
Not yet!! The average human eye can "see" 7 billion colors. The best consumer displays on the market can come somewhat close to hitting BT.2020 - or 1.2 billion colors - so we've still got quite a ways to go. For sure, it's still a vast improvement over REC.709/SDR with 17 million colors!

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I have said it once and I will say it again, I wonder if there is a point where these display devises exceed our eyesight.........
In terms of resolution definitely. I can't really say that I see any more detail in my 65B7 than I did in my old 55 1080 TV and I do sit at just 6 feet four inches from the 4K. Unlees we go to much bigger screens I can't see any visual benefit in going to 8K but I fear that is where we are heading.[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/IMG]
You can’t see detail that isn’t there. You need 4K content to show off your 4K screen.

A 4K movie will obviously look much better on a 4K TV than a 1080p movie on a 1080p display. If it doesn’t then there’s something wrong with your eyes.

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Excuse me for taking a step back as my old memory doesn't always remember. I went to check my Sonoftumble settings and I couldn't figure out how to find the HDR10 or DolbyVision settings. How do I get there?

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Excuse me for taking a step back as my old memory doesn't always remember. I went to check my Sonoftumble settings and I couldn't figure out how to find the HDR10 or DolbyVision settings. How do I get there?
You must have HDR10 or DV content actually being displayed, then the TV switches to a different set of picture options.
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You must have HDR10 or DV content actually being displayed, then the TV switches to a different set of picture options.
Got it. Thanks.

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just to follow up on my "issue" of having a black stripe when just scan was set to on, it appears it is only when broadcasting ESPN - must be something on their end

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