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Odd question: I have a FireTV connected to my C7 and Fios Gigabit, both LG and FireTV are connected to the same 5G WiFi network. On Fire TV Netflix app I get 220MB speed, on native LG Netflix app I don't get more than 15/18MB. Any idea why?
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Odd question: I have a FireTV connected to my C7 and Fios Gigabit, both LG and FireTV are connected to the same 5G WiFi network. On Fire TV Netflix app I get 220MB speed, on native LG Netflix app I don't get more than 15/18MB. Any idea why?
The LG appears to be showing you what is actually being processed; 15-18Mb (not MB) is normal for a streaming movie with Netflix advertising 25Mb maximum needed. Nothing from Netflix will require 220MB or 220Mb so maybe it's showing the max. possible speed from the router.
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The LG appears to be showing you what is actually being processed; 15-18Mb (not MB) is normal for a streaming movie with Netflix advertising 25Mb maximum needed. Nothing from Netflix will require 220MB or 220Mb so maybe it's showing the max. possible speed from the router.
I understand the difference, it would make probably more sense if the speed was checked with a third party app, here both measurements are done within the Netflix app "check your network" so I would assume they work in the same way, even if in different platforms.
The other consideration is the native LG app supports the latest DV and Atmos, FireTV does not (I know it's not necessarily an issue for PQ), yet the Netflix PQ is better with FireTV than the Netflix LG app. Do you think it may have something to do with the speed?
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Hi John

Thanks for your updated settings which I have entered for SDR and HDR so far - I will tackle DV later.

However, I have recently taken to watching SDR on "HDR Effect" with the 'medium' strong effect. Switching between this and "Cinema" I must say I prefer the "HDR Effect" now (much more vibrant colour and wider black/white contrast). Maybe I'm just a Philistine! After watching in 'HDR Effect' for a while 'Cinema' now looks dull and lifeless. Note: I wouldn't watch UHD Blu-rays in anything but the most faithful reproduction of the Director's intentions but as most of my SDR viewing is 'casual' free to air TV I don't think that faithfullness here is necessarily paramount.
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I hear you!

The intended goal of my settings are to come as close as possible to matching the white balance and color response that the director or colorist would see on the mastering monitors used by the studios and post production houses. Whew! ( Sorry for the run-on sentence. )

The good news is that you have options which allow for going "off road" and tweaking the picture to your liking - and Philistine or not - it's ultimately your eyes that matter the most. Obviously you understand that some of the available settings/options will add or embellish the image, and provide what I like to refer to as "eye candy". You are basically throwing accuracy out the window at that point. But again, it's your TV and you should enjoy these fantastic OLED panels as much as possible.

I have personally messed with several different settings over the years and found some of them to be pleasing, but also found some to be fatiguing, and mostly overwhelming to watch for long periods of time. Eventually, I went back to "normal" settings.

There are lots of people out there who are addicted to the images produced by a "Vivid" picture mode, and when they watch something on a calibrated panel, they find it to be "dull" or too yellow. As long as you enjoy watching a Blu-ray without artificial enhancements, you don't fall into that category.

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I just tried some clipping test on my c7. In black clipping test, I have to increase brightness from the default 50 to 53 to barely see the 17 bar flashing. In white clipping test, I can only see bar 230-232 flashing regardless of my contrast setting. So my c7 is crushing black and clipping white?
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LG 2017 OLEDs - All Profiles Re-Calibration (April 2019)

  • ALL PROFILES UPDATED TO V7 ULTIMATE
  • Firmware 5.80.xx or above is required
  • Completely new re-calibration of all SDR/HDR/DV picture modes with new tools and after 4.000+ hours usage (based on new sonoftumble settings)
  • New Dolby Vision Custom Calibration file to apply via USB patch (updated on April 2019)
  • HDR Game mode back to a new custom profile based on HIGH Dynamic Contrast to match the new improvements
  • Added new in-game HDR suggested settings

Please not that this re-calibration goes in-depth also for all White Balance + CMS values, so do not forget to also update those sections when possible (and do not forget to also update the entire DV profile using the new USB Patch!)

Then give those completely fresh settings a try and let me know what you think...
Just made some improvements on top of new V7 profiles (which are now based on new "sonoftumble" re-calibration), bringing them to V7.1:

Changelog:

  • SDR Technicolor and SDR Game brightness lowered a bit from 53 to 51 (after noticing very slightly raised black in some patterns);
  • X1X Only: DV Cinema was switched with DV Game profile by default (with mostly same settings and basically identical PQ and Luminance to calibrated DV Cinema, but with 21ms input lag and same good motion): this was done to "future-proof" in case someday Microsoft will allow Dolby Vision gaming on X1X or Next-Gen Xbox One to be released next year, while still providing great PQ for Streaming TV/Movies;
  • HDR Technicolor White Balance was reset to its default as I noticed a blue tint with new sonoftumble's values, and a yellow tint with older ones;
  • webOS only: if you notice a dimmer Dolby Vision compared to X1X (or Apple TV) Dolby Vision luminance, I added the suggestion to switch to DV Game profile also there
  • HDR Game Color value was slightly raised from 44 to 48 to align to the HDR Technicolor improvement above
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I understand the difference, it would make probably more sense if the speed was checked with a third party app, here both measurements are done within the Netflix app "check your network" so I would assume they work in the same way, even if in different platforms.
The other consideration is the native LG app supports the latest DV and Atmos, FireTV does not (I know it's not necessarily an issue for PQ), yet the Netflix PQ is better with FireTV than the Netflix LG app. Do you think it may have something to do with the speed?
The NF app speedtest (like almost every app speedtest) is next to useless in terms of WAN/internet speed testing accuracy (especially over wireless) and at best can tell you that you have a working internet connection with a download somewhere over 30Mbps (with the results being all over the place).

But thats ok, because as long as your WAN/internet speed is over 30Mbps that isnt the speed that matters - the NF in-stream bitrate does.

You can check the in-stream bitrate for NF for most devices (including the internal LG NF app) by pushing the info/display button on your remote (assuming its been programmed), or if you dont have a remote with an info button for your LG TV, install and use the LG TV Plus app on your smartphone/device use the virtual info button there.

You should see from 2-6Mbps for 1080p (depending on title) and 7-15Mbps for 2160p streams - obviously, you want to see the highest bitrates for optimal quality, but that's how you need to check - using the in-stream info within the NF app.

Be aware that getting accurate in-stream NF bitrate info with your FireTV maybe be problematic and/or undoable due to changes Amazon made over time to their devices.
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LG OLED 65” C7 Calibration ( OLED65C7P ) FW: 05.80.15 - ( CALIBRATION REV. Easter 2019 )

HAPPY EASTER!

The settings below are ALL NEW and vary from slight updates to more than slight.

At this point, I'm thinking that our 7 series OLEDS are probably approaching 3,000 to over 4,000 hours of viewing time. My C7 has 4,000+ hours on it, and is our everyday workhorse. Recently, I noticed that blue had fallen off, so I decided to fully recalibrate SDR - [technicolor Expert], Dolby Vision - [Cinema (User)], and slightly updated HDR10/HLG [technicolor Expert].
Here are the new settings in all their glory. They may help "resurrect" the picture quality of your 7 series. ( Sorry for the Easter themed play on words ). [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

Dolby Vision notes: This new "Easter '19" Dolby Vision calibration looks the best so far. There is better lower and mid-range luminance performance which further helps with eliminating the “darker” look of the “Cinema (User)” picture mode, while still providing all those spectral highlights. The colors look much more natural now as well.

The Calman “DV custom" workflow allows the calibrator to create a special file just for 2017 LG OLED’s, which is saved to a thumb drive and then loaded into the TV. Spectracal, Dolby, and LG worked very closely together to create this awesome workflow.

NOTE: Below, I have written a quick "how to" with instructions for making your own DV calibration file. This way you can install without needing to PM me for the file. Over the last several months, I have received literally 100's of requests for this file, and it has become a bit too much to manage and also juggle things with my day job. So, if you are somewhat computer savvy and know how to create a plain text file, you should not have any problems cooking your own DV calibration file. If you still need me to send the new file, feel free to PM me with your email address, and I will send it off. Just trying to lighten the load a bit.

PERSONAL OBSERVATION: I am really enjoying the new settings. The thing that strikes me the most is how SDR almost takes on the characteristics of HDR.
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SDR Settings
SDR Picture Mode:  “technicolor Expert”
Energy Saving: Off

BASIC SETTINGS:
OLED LIGHT:  45 ( med bright viewing environment )
Contrast:  85
Brightness: 53
Sharpness: 10
Color: 50
Tint:  0

EXPERT CONTROLS
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Super Resolution: Off
Color Gamut: Auto
Edge Enhancer: On
Color Filter: Off
Gamma: 2.2 ( If you have 100% lighting control in the room and can get it really dark, then try BT.1886 or 2.4 )

WHITE BALANCE
Color Temperature: Warm2

Method: 2 Points
Low - R: -5, G: -5, B: 0
High - R: -9 G: -3, B: 4

Method: 20 Points - (NOTE: I skipped the 5% increments with SDR as it was not necessary in order to achieve almost perfect white balance behavior ).
100 IRE, R: -5, G: 1, B: 0
90 IRE R: -7, G: -2, B: -4
80 IRE R: 0, G: 0, B: 0
70 IRE R: 0, G: 0, B: 0
60 IRE R: 0, G: 0, B: 0
50 IRE R: 0, G: 0, B: 0
40 IRE R: 0, G: 0, B: 0
30 IRE R:-4, G: -4, B: -3
20 IRE R: 0, G: -2, B: -4
10 IRE R: 3, G: 4, B: 0

COLOR MANAGEMENT SYSTEM
RED Sat -1, Tint 7,  Lum -9
GREEN Sat -2, Tint 10, Lum -2
BLUE Sat 1, Tint 4, Lum 0
CYAN Sat 3, Tint 7, Lum 1
MAGENTA Sat 0, Tint 1, Lum -1
YELLOW Sat -1, Tint -1, Lum -2

ISF OLED LIGHT SUGGESTED SETTINGS - SDR - LG OLED 7 SERIES PANELS
BRIGHT ROOM:
OLED LIGHT @ 49 = TV Foot Lumens of 55 ( Range 50-60 )
DIM ROOM:
OLED LIGHT @ 36 = TV Foot Lumens of 45 ( Range 40-50 )
DARK ROOM:
OLED LIGHT @ 25 = TV Foot Lumens of 35 ( Range 30-40 )

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HDR10 Settings
HDR-10 Picture Mode: technicolor Expert

BASIC SETTINGS:
OLED LIGHT: 85 (Default: 100) -- This setting will vary depending what nit levels the content was mastered as well as room brightness. There’s not really a way to know the mastered nit levels of any given title without a Lumagen which can read the metadata. So this is really a “how does it look to you” kind of thing. The 85 setting seems to be a “happy" medium, but there's also eye comfort levels to consider.
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 10
Color: 55
Tint: 0

EXPERT CONTROLS
Dynamic Contrast: Low
Super Resolution: Off
Color Gamut: Auto
Edge Enhancer: On
Color Filter: Off
Gamma: 2.2 ( default and greyed out )

WHITE BALANCE
Color Temperature: Warm2
Method: 2 Points
High - R: 1, G: -1, B: -2
Low - R: -7 G: -4, B: 11

PICTURE OPTIONS
Noise Reduction : Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: On ( Default - greyed out )
Motion Eye Care: Off
TrueMotion: Off

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DOLBY VISION
Dolby Vision Picture Mode - Cinema (User)
OLED LIGHT: 55
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 10
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Dynamic Contrast - Off
Super Resolution - Off
Edge Enhancer - On
Color Filter - Off
Gamma 2.2 - (Default - Greyed Out)

Method: 2 Points
High R: -7, G: 0, B: 9
Low R: 3, G: -3, B: 3

Method: 20 Points
100 IRE R: 0, G: 1, B: -4
95 IRE R: -2, G: -4, B: -6
90 IRE R: -4, G: -5, B: -6
85 IRE R: -3, G: -6, B: -4
80 IRE R: -4, G: -5, B: -5
75 IRE R: -7, G: -7, B: -8
70 IRE R: -7, G: -6, B: -8
65 IRE R: -9, G: -9, B: -9
60 IRE R: -7, G: -7, B: -8
55 IRE: -15, G: -12, B: -16
50 IRE R: -15, G: -11, B: -16
45 IRE R: -14, G: -13, B: -16
40 IRE R: -6, G: -7, B: -8
35 IRE R: -4, G: -5, B: -8
30 IRE R: 10, G: 9, B: 8
25 IRE R: 17, G: 17, B: 16
20 IRE R: 22, G: 22, B: 23
15 IRE R: 21, G: 22, B: 22
10 IRE R: 19, G: 21, B: 21
5 IRE R: 11 G: 14, B: 12

PICTURE OPTIONS
Noise Reduction : Low
MPEG Noise Reduction: Low
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: On ( Default - greyed out )
Motion Eye Care: Off
TrueMotion: Off

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THE DOLBY VISION CALIBRATION FILE

1) Create a plain text file and name it as follows WITHOUT the "quotes":

"DolbyVision_UserDisplayConfiguration.txt"

2) Copy the following and paste into the newly created text file. Be certain to REMOVE the "quotes":

"# Dolby Vision User Display Configuration File
# Generated by 5.9.2.59 on 3/19/2019
# Display: Unspecified
# DM Version:
PictureMode = 2
Tmax = 759.590301184834
Tmin = 1E-11
Tgamma = 2.2
ColorPrimaries = 0.6776 0.3223 0.2604 0.6666 0.1422 0.0556 0.3127 0.3290
TLMS2RGBmat = 4.19055329601013 -3.3243228097014 0.133769513691273 -0.92778533729114 2.08407932269406 -0.156293985402918 0.0691538802229898 -0.155635576827132 1.08648169660414"

3) Save and copy the file to a blank thumb drive that has been formatted as "FAT32".

4) To install, start by playing Dolby Vision content on the TV, and ( IMPORTANT ) set the picture mode to “Cinema” and NOT "Cinema (Home)”.
Next, plug in the thumb drive into USB port on the side of the TV. (Make certain that there is nothing on the thumb drive but that file. No folders, etc.) You may have to go into the Photos & Video prompt, and then close ( X ) it out in order for the TV to recognize the DV calibration file. In fact, I finally yanked out the stick - plugged it back in - and then finally got the prompt from the TV. If you still have problems getting the TV to recognize the file, you might try power cycling the TV. Finally, several of our other members told me that they had good results after formatting the thumb drive as a FAT32 Master Boot Record.

Once the TV recognizes the file, you will be asked if you would like to install it. Answer "Yes" and less than a second later ( it's a very small < 1K ) the file is loaded.

The TV will then respond that the next time you load Dolby Vision content, it will load the new settings. And you are done.

Eject the thumb drive and enjoy.
Is there a reason or is it a mistake that Noise Reduction and MPEG Noise Reduction are set to Low in Dolby Vision?
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Is there a reason or is it a mistake that Noise Reduction and MPEG Noise Reduction are set to Low in Dolby Vision?
Those are default settings. The purists will not be pleased, but my philosophy is there must be a reason why Dolby wanted them that way. I treat Dolby Vision a little differently than I do any other dynamic range format.
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I just tried some clipping test on my c7. In black clipping test, I have to increase brightness from the default 50 to 53 to barely see the 17 bar flashing. In white clipping test, I can only see bar 230-232 flashing regardless of my contrast setting. So my c7 is crushing black and clipping white?
You need to tweak both the Brightness setting and OLED LIGHT to get it right. It's a see-saw battle. Also, OLED's are notorious for crushing blacks. I recommend using Gamma 2.2 regardless of lighting in the viewing room.
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Thanks for that feedback and uncovering the mystery!! I use an AppleTV 4K for HDR10 and DV playback. It appears that the picture modes for internal apps are a bit different in some areas.

As far as all the settings options for the White Balance go, the default is indeed "Outer". The 100 IRE has a default target luminance of 130. Adjust only the IRE levels, and leave the other stuff alone.
I applied your suggested Dolby Vision settings including the calibration file. Easy to do and so far I am enjoying the results on my ~2500 hour 65C7P. Thank you!

I am still a bit confused as to how to correctly apply your suggested SDR settings.
Should I be going to each of the 10% IRE points and adjusting only the R, G, B values?
Nothing to set with target luminance?

Thank you in advance for clarification, and thank you for sharing these!

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I applied your suggested Dolby Vision settings including the calibration file. Easy to do and so far I am enjoying the results on my ~2500 hour 65C7P. Thank you!

I am still a bit confused as to how to correctly apply your suggested SDR settings.
Should I be going to each of the 10% IRE points and adjusting only the R, G, B values?
Nothing to set with target luminance?

Thank you in advance for clarification, and thank you for sharing these!

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Yes, only adjust the RGB values. Leave the rest alone. If the readings were showing a ton of delta errors at each IRE level, I might be inclined to adjust the target luminance; but our OLED's are so good that there's almost no visible errors. The errors are all under 2% which the human eye cannot discern.
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Hi Ted,

Yes, only adjust the RGB values. Leave the rest alone. If the readings were showing a ton of delta errors at each IRE level, I might be inclined to adjust the target luminance; but our OLED's are so good that there's almost no visible errors. The errors are all under 2% which the human eye cannot discern.


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Any reason for the update?
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Hi John

Thanks for your updated settings which I have entered for SDR and HDR so far - I will tackle DV later.

However, I have recently taken to watching SDR on "HDR Effect" with the 'medium' strong effect. Switching between this and "Cinema" I must say I prefer the "HDR Effect" now (much more vibrant colour and wider black/white contrast). Maybe I'm just a Philistine! After watching in 'HDR Effect' for a while 'Cinema' now looks dull and lifeless. Note: I wouldn't watch UHD Blu-rays in anything but the most faithful reproduction of the Director's intentions but as most of my SDR viewing is 'casual' free to air TV I don't think that faithfullness here is necessarily paramount.
I think you should be cautious using that setting on SDR because of potential Burn In. There have been reports of this depending on how much you are using the tv with that setting. Definitely be careful with that. Especially true with the first couple of iterations of the line.
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Due to my desire for 4k @ 120Hz, faster menu navigation, better all-around image processing, further improvements to near black, brighter game mode HDR tone mapping (even if a little less objectively faithful/accurate to EOTF), BFI, no Wide gamut lock in SDR game mode, and the alleged 13ms input latency in certain modes.

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Are subtitles from MKV's broken for anyone else on the LG internal player as-of the latest (and last apparently) Firmware?


I have an MKV, on my PC using VLC it clearly has subtitles. When I play it form USB on my LG, the subtitle option is greyed out. Can someone else confirm this?

I have the same issue as Bob Ross. Made an MKV from my BD of Winter Soldier using MakeMKV. Using VLC I see all the subtitle options but no options appear on the LG internal app.
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would any of the members in this community help me out via phone if I made you a very very nice donation via paypal or venmo or cash app or whatever Im trying to apply sonoftumble calibration to my E7 ive reset it to factory fresh settings but im very confused on the 20 point inner outer settings. please private message me if you can help thank you......
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Is there a reason or is it a mistake that Noise Reduction and MPEG Noise Reduction are set to Low in Dolby Vision?
Those are default settings. The purists will not be pleased, but my philosophy is there must be a reason why Dolby wanted them that way. I treat Dolby Vision a little differently than I do any other dynamic range format. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
Would the purest set this to "high" or "auto"?? And would it help with the marvel shows? Those are TERRIBLE with noise!
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Would the purest set this to "high" or "auto"?? And would it help with the marvel shows? Those are TERRIBLE with noise!
The Purist would set it to OFF, if that was an option. Otherwise it's best to stay with the defaults.

The Marvel shows have artificial "grain" added in an effort to re-create the comic book look/style - at least with Netflix productions.
There's no way to avoid it with any setting at our disposal.

Yes, it's annoying!
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I understand the difference, it would make probably more sense if the speed was checked with a third party app, here both measurements are done within the Netflix app "check your network" so I would assume they work in the same way, even if in different platforms.
The other consideration is the native LG app supports the latest DV and Atmos, FireTV does not (I know it's not necessarily an issue for PQ), yet the Netflix PQ is better with FireTV than the Netflix LG app. Do you think it may have something to do with the speed?
An easy answer is the TV's bandwidth is of 100Mbs maximum, and nothing on Netflix is even close to 220Mbs. Everything on Netflix is 8 to 22Mbps (Netflix asks that you have at least 25Mbps). But, the internal app and the Fire are measuring from 2 different places and the TV result looks correct.
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Thank you again for your hard work. The SDR settings are phenomenal. Best the TV has ever looked.

I continue to fight DV. The cinema setting is simply too dark and crushes details. I've used the default settings, the DV files and your settings but I keep defaulting back to Cinema home. The difference is stark between both settings. Using internal Netflix and Vudu app for DV content.
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The real enemy last night on GOT was digital video compression. Wow it was horrible. Certainly solidifies, garbage in garbage out. Shame on HBO/ cable networks for such compression. i wonder if the newer OLED can handle compression better over my C7.

Anyways I digress.
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The real enemy last night on GOT was digital video compression. Wow it was horrible. Certainly solidifies, garbage in garbage out. Shame on HBO/ cable networks for such compression. i wonder if the newer OLED can handle compression better over my C7.



Anyways I digress.


Low bitrate/compression is bad either way. Last nights episode would have been a true torture test. I don’t have major issues, personally via my ATV4K and HBOGO, I know what to expect when watching. The discs are what I’m really waiting for.
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The real enemy last night on GOT was digital video compression. Wow it was horrible. Certainly solidifies, garbage in garbage out. Shame on HBO/ cable networks for such compression. i wonder if the newer OLED can handle compression better over my C7.

Anyways I digress.
It's interesting that Popular Mechanics seems to think that having an OLED panel could have helped alleviate the darkness problems with that episode.
Do you think it did?
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https://www.popularmechanics.com/cul...rones-oled-tv/

My second time watching when I found a good source it was incredible. From reading around no one else minus OLED owners no matter what seemed like they were happy. So IMO and perspective they were right.

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I watched last night's episode of GOT in a pretty much completely dark room and I had trouble seeing what was going on. I tried changing the gamma from BT.1886 to 2.2, but it looked somewhat washed out and grainy (making the video compression artifacts more obvious, I guess). GOT's cinematographers rely on naturalistic lighting, but I've never really noticed things being too dark until last night's episode. For sure, this episode demands to be seen in the highest quality possible and, hopefully, the entire series will get a 4K UHD release.
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I watched last night's episode of GOT in a pretty much completely dark room and I had trouble seeing what was going on. I tried changing the gamma from BT.1886 to 2.2, but it looked somewhat washed out and grainy (making the video compression artifacts more obvious, I guess). GOT's cinematographers rely on naturalistic lighting, but I've never really noticed things being too dark until last night's episode. For sure, this episode demands to be seen in the highest quality possible and, hopefully, the entire series will get a 4K UHD release.


Season 1 already has one, season 8 is up for preorder and everyone is hoping for the “complete” set soon just expect to pay 300-350 for it if the $250 for the regular BR is any indication.
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Thank you again for your hard work. The SDR settings are phenomenal. Best the TV has ever looked.

I continue to fight DV. The cinema setting is simply too dark and crushes details. I've used the default settings, the DV files and your settings but I keep defaulting back to Cinema home. The difference is stark between both settings. Using internal Netflix and Vudu app for DV content.
Try using @sonoftumble settings but increasing sharpness to 20 and setting dynamic contrast to low and see if that appeals more to your eye. Works for me. You can also try increasing oled light to 60 which may give you more of the brightness in cinema home. Won't be the same but try to find tweeks to his settings that may work for you.

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The real enemy last night on GOT was digital video compression. Wow it was horrible. Certainly solidifies, garbage in garbage out. Shame on HBO/ cable networks for such compression. i wonder if the newer OLED can handle compression better over my C7.

Anyways I digress.
Though I used @sonoftumble latest settings (with HBO GO - not cable broadcast) and it honestly wasn't AS terrible as people were making it out to be...and I watched it at 6PM PT when the sun was still up...

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