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Season 1 already has one, season 8 is up for preorder and everyone is hoping for the “complete” set soon just expect to pay 300-350 for it if the $250 for the regular BR is any indication.

The last episode was just afwully dark. Everyone i talked to said it. So that's not on the C7

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it's interesting that popular mechanics seems to think that having an oled panel could have helped alleviate the darkness problems with that episode.
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The real enemy last night on GOT was digital video compression. Wow it was horrible. Certainly solidifies, garbage in garbage out. Shame on HBO/ cable networks for such compression. i wonder if the newer OLED can handle compression better over my C7.

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Low bitrate/compression is bad either way. Last nights episode would have been a true torture test. I don’t have major issues, personally via my ATV4K and HBOGO, I know what to expect when watching. The discs are what I’m really waiting for.
A complaint heard round the world regardless of the panel tech we watch TV with. When it comes to digital video compression and this GoT "Battle" episode, there is a common thread.

Name the source: HBO GO, HBO NOW, HBO via Amazon, HBO via cable/satellite, etc. - streamers vs. broadcast - they all have one thing in common: H.264 - the 1080P codec which has been in use for over a decade. Although it looks great on Blu-ray where compression is somewhat mild, it's very inefficient vs. H.265 which was developed for 4K. H.264 falls flat on its face when it comes to low light or noisy content because it doesn't like to be compressed very much.

This particular GoT episode was/is an H.264 torture test. For starters it was daaaark - 80 minutes of daaaark! I can't imagine trying to watch this episode on an LCD local dimming panel. The blooming would have sent me over the edge. On top of that, there was extreme noise in some scenes; especially flying through the snowy clouds, or Bran "seeing" through the ravens. Personally, I didn't think it was all that terrible, but when you know what to look for, it's hard to "un-see" it.

If we could have watched the same episode using H.265 HDR10 or Dolby Vision, those compression artifacts would not have been present, or not nearly as much of an issue. Specifically Dolby Vision, because it does not allow compression. I personally watched on my AppleTV 4K running the HBO GO app. Had the same issues as any other content delivery service. Basically, GoT was handcuffed by the current TV infrastructure.

Looking forward to the day when the entire series will be released either on UHD Blu-ray or when Apple's iTunes has a Dolby Vision package.
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The last episode was just afwully dark. Everyone i talked to said it. So that's not on the C7
Weird, all my friends with LCD tvs said the same thing, but I watched it fine on my C7

Here's two of the worst scenes:

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Season 1 already has one, season 8 is up for preorder and everyone is hoping for the “complete” set soon just expect to pay 300-350 for it if the $250 for the regular BR is any indication.
Hate to go off topic, but "Imposters" was really good
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Weird, all my friends with LCD tvs said the same thing, but I watched it fine on my C7

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Picked up a refurb B7A. Is there any reason I shouldn't upgrade the firmware from 05.80.15 from 04.71.00? These firmware upgrades always make me nervous because AFAIK there is no way to downgrade if something acts up after upgrading.


I'm very interested to hear that people think that watching GoT on an OLED is actually better. I thought that OLEDs would actually struggle with all that near-black detail, even with calibration - but consumers don't have the level of calibration you have here.

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There is one bug with the 05.xx firmware, that is a wrong color lookup table with 4k50p bt.2020 signals. In case your TV receiver box outputs exactly that format (like the UPC TV Box in Switzerland and I think one in England), then you have washed out colors. Only remedy in my case is to lower the resolution to 1080p (which doesn't really matter, as there are no 4k channels, yet). You can search in this thread for more information about this bug.

Other than that, there is no reason not to upgrade.
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Picked up a refurb B7A. Is there any reason I shouldn't upgrade the firmware from 05.80.15 from 04.71.00? These firmware upgrades always make me nervous because AFAIK there is no way to downgrade if something acts up after upgrading.


I'm very interested to hear that people think that watching GoT on an OLED is actually better. I thought that OLEDs would actually struggle with all that near-black detail, even with calibration - but consumers don't have the level of calibration you have here.
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The last episode was just afwully dark. Everyone i talked to said it. So that's not on the C7
I'm not picking on Tim here.

For everyone, read this short article - extremely informative - "GAME OF THRONES IS NOT TOO DARK"

https://support.murideo.com/hc/en-us...s-Not-Too-Dark

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I'm not picking on Tim here.

For everyone, read this short article - extremely informative - "GAME OF THRONES IS NOT TOO DARK"

https://support.murideo.com/hc/en-us...s-Not-Too-Dark
Agree - AT last year's HDTV Shootout a very dark scene from one of the Harry Potter movies was shown on the 4 displays, the 2 OLED's and 1 LCD successfully displayed the scene. On the other LCD the scene was totally washed out. As we know all the displays @ the shootout were top-line sets professionally calibrated.

I have a 77G7P calibrated by John @ VE and can say it was DARK but "viewable" on my display.

This link connects to the director, producer, etc. who filmed the episode - very interesting!

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I’m having an issue with Dolby Vision movies on the c7. Black bars are perfect black, but the picture which is supposed to be perfect black is only dark grey. If I look closely, there are some kinda lines running diagonally. This does not happen with hdr10.
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I’m having an issue with Dolby Vision movies on the c7. Black bars are perfect black, but the picture which is supposed to be perfect black is only dark grey. If I look closely, there are some kinda lines running diagonally. This does not happen with hdr10.


Are you sure it’s supposed to be “perfect black”? There are plenty of movies that have elevated black levels (Nolan movies for example) on purpose.
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Best picture settings for OLED 55B6P?

Dear all, I've had this TV now for almost three years and I have yet to find the best picture settings. The blacks are just not black. The colors seem off. Anybody got a cheat sheet for settings you can post? Thanks!
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Dear all, I've had this TV now for almost three years and I have yet to find the best picture settings. The blacks are just not black. The colors seem off. Anybody got a cheat sheet for settings you can post? Thanks!
I don't know if they will work on a 3 year old LG but give them a try here.

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Dear all, I've had this TV now for almost three years and I have yet to find the best picture settings. The blacks are just not black. The colors seem off. Anybody got a cheat sheet for settings you can post? Thanks!
Let's start here: what picture modes and associated settings are you currently using for each dynamic range format; i.e. HDR10/DV/HLG/SDR?

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I’m having an issue with Dolby Vision movies on the c7. Black bars are perfect black, but the picture which is supposed to be perfect black is only dark grey. If I look closely, there are some kinda lines running diagonally. This does not happen with hdr10.
Are you sure it’s supposed to be “perfect black”? There are plenty of movies that have elevated black levels (Nolan movies for example) on purpose.
Yes because it is perfect black in hdr10 version. And the fact that there are lines running like some kinda noise I think there’s sth wrong with how this tv handles the dolby vision data
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Yes because it is perfect black in hdr10 version. And the fact that there are lines running like some kinda noise I think there’s sth wrong with how this tv handles the dolby vision data


Sounds like something could be borked with your settings then. You may want to post what you are watching and via which devices you see this with. I am not experiencing what you are at least vi brief description.
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A complaint heard round the world regardless of the panel tech we watch TV with. When it comes to digital video compression and this GoT "Battle" episode, there is a common thread.

Name the source: HBO GO, HBO NOW, HBO via Amazon, HBO via cable/satellite, etc. - streamers vs. broadcast - they all have one thing in common: H.264 - the 1080P codec which has been in use for over a decade. Although it looks great on Blu-ray where compression is somewhat mild, it's very inefficient vs. H.265 which was developed for 4K. H.264 falls flat on its face when it comes to low light or noisy content because it doesn't like to be compressed very much.

This particular GoT episode was/is an H.264 torture test. For starters it was daaaark - 80 minutes of daaaark! I can't imagine trying to watch this episode on an LCD local dimming panel. The blooming would have sent me over the edge. On top of that, there was extreme noise in some scenes; especially flying through the snowy clouds, or Bran "seeing" through the ravens. Personally, I didn't think it was all that terrible, but when you know what to look for, it's hard to "un-see" it.

If we could have watched the same episode using H.265 HDR10 or Dolby Vision, those compression artifacts would not have been present, or not nearly as much of an issue. Specifically Dolby Vision, because it does not allow compression. I personally watched on my AppleTV 4K running the HBO GO app. Had the same issues as any other content delivery service. Basically, GoT was handcuffed by the current TV infrastructure.

Looking forward to the day when the entire series will be released either on UHD Blu-ray or when Apple's iTunes has a Dolby Vision package.
Have Comcast X1 box. Gotta agree with you about the compression. Its awful. At the start of a HBO movie when they play their logo, all kind of like "clouds" appear in the background. All dark scenes have these clouds. Gets really bad at times. At first I thought it was that banding thing everyone talks about. Later figured it was compression.

When I watch football, I use my rooftop antenna if the game is on a local channel. Much better picture.

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I'm not picking on Tim here.

For everyone, read this short article - extremely informative - "GAME OF THRONES IS NOT TOO DARK"

https://support.murideo.com/hc/en-us...s-Not-Too-Dark
Yup, saw it at home on my 65inch C7 through HBO Now on Firestick 4K. TV is calibrated with your setting. While a "dark" episode, i never found it unwatchable. Whenever they shifted perspective, I always knew who it was and what they were doing. Saw who died without any problems. Saw those twitter posts of actual black screens and shuddered to think how bad those TVs must be.
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Yes because it is perfect black in hdr10 version. And the fact that there are lines running like some kinda noise I think there’s sth wrong with how this tv handles the dolby vision data
If you have not checked this yet it is worth a look -- for every top level format type you need new/different settings. When the TV detects SDR or DV or HDR there is an entirely new group of picture options even if they have the same name: HDR-cinema, DV-cinema, cinema (for SDR), for example.
The link someone gave you above to sonoftumble's settings is a good choice to try: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...l#post57928994
Lastly, my issue with DV when using a high end UHD Bluray player was that when set to "maximum output" settings it showed the weakness of my HDMI cables; replacing them with UHD certified cables fixed that. A good PC setup could do the same thing too. That was a while ago so I don't remember if lines across the screen was part of the visual clue however.
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I'm not picking on Tim here.

For everyone, read this short article - extremely informative - "GAME OF THRONES IS NOT TOO DARK"

https://support.murideo.com/hc/en-us...s-Not-Too-Dark
Just to be overly anal, I know you're not picking on poor old Tim, but he didn't say "too dark", but rather "awfully dark", which is pretty much the same thing as what you said, "daaaark".

I actually did use the dreaded "T" word in a previous post, saying "too dark", but I also blamed compression. To me and maybe to others, "too dark", "awfully dark", "daaaark" and similar word constructions are all interchangeable colloquially--but I do realize in hindsight that for TV nerds (i.e., everyone in this forum, including yours truly), "too dark" is not informal at all, but is specific and is either missing the point or misassigning blame. So scratch my back with a hacksaw, I should have said "daaaark" instead of "too dark". Did I say this was overly anal?

As I said before, even though I was sitting in a pretty much pitch-black room, I did have trouble seeing what was going on. This is all relative, of course. This is in comparison to other GoT episodes that I've seen. And, no doubt, it would have been a lot worse on perhaps most other non-OLED panels. I'm so damned spoiled, I don't even know how good I have it.

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I'm not picking on Tim here.

For everyone, read this short article - extremely informative - "GAME OF THRONES IS NOT TOO DARK"

https://support.murideo.com/hc/en-us...s-Not-Too-Dark
Great Article, & thanks for the link. For us, the episode was Dark but not too Dark. However, being forewarned we went into our "Epic Movie" mode; Window shutters down, door closed, & just a "night light" to allow us to move around the room safely if we needed to. Our LG 55B7 is not professionally calibrated, but I did set it up using a mixture of Rtings & Darko's recommended settings. To our eyes we did not miss anything.
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Yes, as long as you set PS4 Pro similarly (RGB Limited, then all other video settings to Auto).


Avoid PC Input altogether, as it has color banding and input lag issues in HDR.
Any settings then for a PC actually plugged into the TV? PC Mode still recommended in general? (Non-Gaming)
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Just to be overly anal, I know you're not picking on poor old Tim, but he didn't say "too dark", but rather "awfully dark", which is pretty much the same thing as what you said, "daaaark".
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Great Article, & thanks for the link. For us, the episode was Dark but not too Dark. However, being forewarned we went into our "Epic Movie" mode; Window shutters down, door closed, & just a "night light" to allow us to move around the room safely if we needed to. Our LG 55B7 is not professionally calibrated, but I did set it up using a mixture of Rtings & Darko's recommended settings. To our eyes we did not miss anything.
Here's an even better piece from Tech Crunch which pushes all the anal buttons for @forreal , and goes into greater detail the how's and why's of current infrastructure limitations. Just in time to close out Episode 3 discussion and head on down to Episode 4. As I understand it, Episode 4 was shot in the daytime hours - so there probably won't be many complaints on technical merits. lol

https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/29/wh...s-the-science/

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How do i find the runtime on my C7? From what i understand its not in the menu on the EU versions.
I have entered the service mode but i cant find it there..

And a big thank you to sonoftumble for the new update.
i did not think the picture could get any better on my tv, but holy **** it looks so good now.
I could really see improvments in Dobly vision and SDR mode
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How do i find the runtime on my C7? From what i understand its not in the menu on the EU versions.
I have entered the service mode but i cant find it there..

And a big thank you to sonoftumble for the new update.
i did not think the picture could get any better on my tv, but holy **** it looks so good now.
I could really see improvments in Dobly vision and SDR mode
The info is somewhat buried in the menus on the U.S. versions.

EDIT: Here's better directions:
Settings/General/About TV
Next, click on the TV Model Number. Total Power On Time will be 5th item from the top.
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@sonoftumble , I've been using your settings and everything looks great.

My C7P only has 1,000 hours so far. Would it be worthwhile to apply your Easter 2019 settings?

Any feedback would be appreciated.

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@sonoftumble , I've been using your settings and everything looks great.

My C7P only has 1,000 hours so far. Would it be worthwhile to apply your Easter 2019 settings?

Any feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks
There was more to the new settings other than the number of hours. I don't think you need to wait until you've got 4,000 hours on your set to try them. One of the big differences between the Labor Day settings and Easter, was that I ran a new profile on my meter. After the new profile was loaded, the readings indicated that the color blue on the grey scale had dropped in intensity since the prior calibration. Unfortunately, I didn't get the chance to compare with the older meter profile, so I'm not certain if the profile was different enough to show the drop in blue, or was it because of the hours on my C7.

However, I'm leaning towards the improved profile on my meter vs. viewing hours as the reason. In reality, the two setting options are not all that different from one another, so it would be easy to go back if you didn't like the new ones.

Without a meter and taking a reading or two on your specific panel, there's no way to know for certain how it matches up to mine.
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Im getting my panel changed in a couple of days due to BI. To anyone that has gotten theirs swapped, what was the end result? Was it better/brighter? was the panel dimmer? Would they use the 2018 panel for my b7? What should I expect?.
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