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A dumb question... I just got a Yamaha receiver A2070, is it better to let the receiver to upscale or the TV to do that?
Most people say let the TV do the upscaling. I think you should also plug equipment directly to the TV (use all 4 inputs)
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Most people say let the TV do the upscaling. I think you should also plug equipment directly to the TV (use all 4 inputs)


But one of the reasons to have a 4K Receiver is to plug all equipment to the receiver

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But one of the reasons to have a 4K Receiver is to plug all equipment to the receiver
Yes. If you have a 4k receiver (2.0 HDMI receiver) everything goes into that. You can set the receiver to do bypass mode on the video if you want.

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But one of the reasons to have a 4K Receiver is to plug all equipment to the receiver
You can set each HDMI input on the TV to your liking. I guess it matters what you are connecting.

For me I have DirecTV settings on one HDMI input and XBOX settings on another. I then have the sound sent to my receiver.

Also, when I used my receiver to upscale it was stuttery, but that was a while ago and I have a Sony not a Denon.

Once I got passed 3 pieces of equipment I plugged the rest into the receiver.
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But one of the reasons to have a 4K Receiver is to plug all equipment to the receiver
But might be best to pass the signal through the receiver in a direct/pass through (whatever mode) I have many things plug into a Marantz SR7011 and all signals are not altered in any way in the AVR..

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Thanks. But OLED seems to be way more expensive an im on limited budget, and the products are limited here so i have little choice unfortunately.

I've been looking for a good quality display, good sound, easy to use, normal viewing angle, 55 inch. Dont need 3D or some sophisticated gadgets.

These are the recommendations:
- LG 49 UJ 7507
- LG 55 UJ 670 V
- LG 55 UJ 6517
- SAMSUNG UE 55 MU 6272 UXXH
- SAMSUNG UE 55 MU 6172 UXXH
- SAMSUNG UE 55 KU 6072 UXXH
- SONY KD 55 XD 7005 BAEP
- SONY KD 55 XE 7005 BAEP

Who is the best/second/third best option out of these?
Did you notice this review on AVSforum? They highly rated this TV with dolby vision it's a TLC 55" https://www.avsforum.com/tcl-55-p-ser...on-first-look/
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But might be best to pass the signal through the receiver in a direct/pass through (whatever mode) I have many things plug into a Marantz SR7011 and all signals are not altered in any way in the AVR..


Yes. My doubt (I do not have the C7 yet) is which one is better at upscaling, the TV or the receiver. Most sure not many differences

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Did you notice this review on AVSforum? They highly rated this TV with dolby vision it's a TLC 55" https://www.avsforum.com/tcl-55-p-ser...on-first-look/
If you need a 55 and don't have a huge budget the TCL 607 is a awesome tv. My friend at work bought one and loves it

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Any way to turn off HDMI input recognizing? Its annoying to see when watching one input and my PC comes out of sleep mode and it displays on the screen "PC" for bit.

Or when my PS4 is doing updates in sleep mode it displays PS4 on the screen.

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Yes. My doubt (I do not have the C7 yet) is which one is better at upscaling, the TV or the receiver. Most sure not many differences
Respectfully disagree! Depends on the quality of the AVR and/or the UHD TV. Most experts/calibrators usually say with a "better" TV let the TV do it. - for a $400 4K TV use the receiver. This is one of the reasons most say send the signal out of the cable/satellite box in its native resolution (1080i/720p) and let something else upscale. Their "upscaler" probably came from the lowest bidder. You are buying a quality OLED TV - let it do its job! Good luck & enjoy!
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I am about to try your settings but have a query abut the colour gamut in HDR. All the reviews I have read or seen (including Vincent Teoh's) says to put the colour gamut on auto for HDR and yet you use it on wide (but auto for SDR) I wonder if you could please explain why the difference.
Short answer long . . . lol

It's funny you ask this question, as I have been experimenting with this setting trying to determine if "Auto" actually works when there's a WCG signal in the mix. There have been a couple of posts about this. I linked one example below. Originally, I left the setting at Auto and played HDR/WCG content and then changed the setting to "Wide", and you could see a BIG change in the colors. Not saturation changes, but actual differences in gradient shades. I used "The Martian" UHD/HDR/WCG Blu-ray as my reference because there are so many shades of red. It's a real WCG torture test.

So . . . .

1) I've come to the conclusion that it may not be working the way we would expect.

2) It may be an LG firmware bug, or the Auto setting will only detect a BT.2020 signal which means it will never display the correct color space because the industry in general is avoiding BT.2020. ( See #4 )

3) Anything HDR will also have WCG metadata embedded in the signal as it is part of the mastering process. I have yet to find an HDR title out there that doesn't. Leaving it at Wide is basically an insurance policy.

4) I calibrated HDR using P3/D65 which is actually a more realistic reference. Calibrating for BT.2020 is a waste of time because there isn't a single TV on the planet that can come remotely close to meeting that spec.

I think that covers it. I left the setting at "Auto" for SDR content. "Auto" used to be called "Normal" for Rec709 which is the color space that almost everything is mastered to.

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Did you notice this review on AVSforum? They highly rated this TV with dolby vision it's a TLC 55" https://www.avsforum.com/tcl-55-p-ser...on-first-look/
The only knock from real world feedback has been DSE issues. For the price the specs are amazing and the PQ is excellent - if you can find a panel that looks reasonably clean. For the price you know that they are not spending much time inspecting panels. If you want something bigger than 55" you are out of luck. For some reason they cancelled production of their 65" offering.

Might be better off going with a Vizio M or P series - or waiting to see what they do in 2018.

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The problem is that you don't really know what LG's Enhanced and Wide color gamut's are. We are just guessing.

The bottom line is if you set it to Auto, the set will go to Rec.709 or P3 or whatever the correct color gamut is specified by the content.
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Yeah your TV is receiving the 720p signal from your STB and doing the up-scaling. Prob your best option for now - I definitely would not have your STB doing the up-scaling. I tried the 1080P from the STB and it looked pretty bad no matter how I routed it after.
I have a Comcast DVR and have flipped back and forth between setting its output at 720P and 1080P and can see very little difference in how the C7 up-scales the image to 4K. Comcast's decision to down-scale to 720P was unfortunate and its compression is too heavy. In exchange for the bandwidth that all of this freed up, we've gotten very little in return. We still only have one HD channel for each of the premium networks (other providers have multiple HD channels for each of them) and rarely, if ever, get any worthwhile new HD channels. Having said that, I'm more comfortable with the cable PQ than I was when I first got my C7 in early June. It ranges from very good to crap and everything in between. Maybe my eyes have adjusted to the picture or maybe I've accepted the flaws because I don't want to change providers or cut the cord altogether. Thank God that streaming content, Blu-rays and 4K movies look so good on the set. That overrides all other concerns
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Respectfully disagree! Depends on the quality of the AVR and/or the UHD TV. Most experts/calibrators usually say with a "better" TV let the TV do it. - for a $400 4K TV use the receiver. This is one of the reasons most say send the signal out of the cable/satellite box in its native resolution (1080i/720p) and let something else upscale. Their "upscaler" probably came from the lowest bidder. You are buying a quality OLED TV - let it do its job! Good luck & enjoy!

Thanks for the input. I will test next week when the C7 arrives. My receiver is a very capable one, Yamaha RX-A2070, well regarded in terms of video processing, that’s why I was asking. I will test myself.

And also, the PS4 Pro is famous for its upscaling capabilities. Will test also

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For people who have had audio sync issues - do you see the sync issues on every source? For instance, I've had a C7 and an Oppo 203 for a few weeks now, and I generally don't have any sync issues except for on a few cable channels. These problems did not exist on prior tv and Oppo 103D. Apple TV 4K into C7 to non-4K/non-ARC Pioneer AVR via optical, TiVo into Oppo 203 to C7 (video) via HDMI and to Pioneer AVR (audio) via 2nd HDMI out on Oppo, Chrome Box running Kodi into AVR to C7. No sync issues on the Apple TV, the Chrome Box, discs or network files on the Oppo, and no sync issues on most cable channels from TiVo, but there are some channels that are way out of sync (like Fox). Other tvs in my house show no sync issues. Any ideas why would new equipment cause sync on a select handful of channels, but not on most others?
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The problem is that you don't really know what LG's Enhanced and Wide color gamut's are. We are just guessing.

The bottom line is if you set it to Auto, the set will go to Rec.709 or P3 or whatever the correct color gamut is specified by the content.
In theory, I agree with you.

Here's my dilemma: With both the UHD player and the TV set to Deep Color, and Gamut set to "Auto" for HDR mode on the LG; and playing content that I know is WCG ( UltraHD Premium ) - I then change Gamut from "Auto" to "Wide" - and you will see a distinct difference in the colors. For example, when watching "The Martian" with Gamut set to "Auto" it looks more like the "brown planet" with a hint of red soil. With gamut set to "Wide", it looks like the "red planet". The flesh tones still look natural, it's just that I can clearly see the slight shade differences between the red stripe on Matt Damon's space helmet and the similar colored accents on the space suit. With Gamut set to "Auto", both the helmet and and suit look to be the same color.

So at this point, I have vey little faith that the "Auto" setting is performing as expected. In SDR everything is Rec.709, so "Auto" Gamut isn't going to do anything anyway. This kind of goes back full circle to your point in that we don't know what LG's gamut's are doing. So I'm erring on the side of caution by forcing my WCG TV to be Wide when playing HDR/WCG content. ( Every UHD/HDR Blu-ray out there - correct me if I'm wrong. ) It is accurate? - probably not. But the "Auto" setting isn't cutting it. It's become a mystery setting. Ahh, first world problems. lol

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Wow, so maybe it is only the E's that have this remote? Bizarre to say the least...
My new B7 has the cheap black plastic "magic" remote, only the power symbol button is backlit.

Is this fancy one backlit for the rest of the buttons?
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I do. What's the question?

Edit: Found your question. Sorry I don't use the TV speakers at all. DD+ Atmos is sent to my receiver from the built in apps via arc. And would most likely pass through if sent from a device like the Oppo. But you won't get lossless Atmos over arc.

The b7a doesn't play Atmos on the TV speakers. The higher models will. The new firmware added the ability to decode lossless truehd (which would likely include Atmos if you had it). But once again you'd need b7p or higher for Atmos through TV speakers.

Unless you have 2-4 height speakers mounted overhead you're wasting your time with Atmos imo.
I know that about the B7a but thank you so much for replying and trying to help out at least.
I have the 65E7 and you get some sort of Atmos... thansk again sir, really.
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Well then, that makes it even more of a mystery as to why my G7 remote doesn't have the info button. Especially cause it says "signature" on the remote so it isn't like I got a B/C/E remote by accident. First world problems I suppose
Of course not, you have the best out all the 2017 line up... i personally like the G more than the W and i still have my 65G6. Wouldn't give that away for anything... and you have the info button on the G6 remote too. So that's definitely weird.

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Alright perfect, also you have the Oppo-203... so can you please do me a favor and connect the oppo-203 straight to the TV with a single hdmi cable and play any 4k uhd bluray movie with Atmos and tell me if everything works well without issues and Atmos is displayed from the Oppo to the TV internal speakers (take the receiver and external soundbar out of the equation), thank you so much CoffeHawk.
AceNj..I have the Oppo 203 plugged directly into my C55P . I played War for the Planet of the Apes and the Atmos banner was displayed upper right after the HDR banner. I currently feed the output of the TV via optical to an older AVR. Hope that helps.
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AceNj..I have the Oppo 203 plugged directly into my C55P . I played War for the Planet of the Apes and the Atmos banner was displayed upper right after the HDR banner. I currently feed the output of the TV via optical to an older AVR. Hope that helps.
Oh my God that helps A LOT. Your 55C7p played in atmos without freezing nor audio dropouts not any other issues?
And to get Atmos from the Oppo-203 over hdmi connected straight to the TV, that means you are on the LG 4.70.06 firmware of course, correct?
I am asking because i am still on the older firmware and i wanna see if i update to the technicolor update or not.
Because i used to have a 65E7 in which i updated manually to the 4.70.06 and i had all sorts of issues connected straight to the TV and i couldn't for the life of me get my xbox one s to play a 4k bluray properly and output atmos so i exchanged the TV with a new 65E7 that's still on the older firmware and i recently got the Oppo after the exchange so i just wanna know if everything works fine so i update the TV's firmware since i don't have to use the xbox anymore to play 4k bluray.
P.S: in case anyone was wondering, i got the xbox one X and just like the S, you can't properly play 4k blurays straight to the TV and get Atmos without running into a bunch of issues.
Thank you very much good sir, you helped me figure out everything i needed to know.
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The problem is that you don't really know what LG's Enhanced and Wide color gamut's are. We are just guessing.

The bottom line is if you set it to Auto, the set will go to Rec.709 or P3 or whatever the correct color gamut is specified by the content.
Would you recommend leaving it at auto for hdr or wide?
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In the room I have my 65B7A I use a Harmony 650. However, since the Harmony remotes share the same web based device settings I would suspect any Harmony remote would have that key mapping.
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Ahh ok, for some reason I thought you said you had a C7. The E7 definitely is an upgrade soundwise. If you don't mind trying to watch 4k HDR titles on Netlfix, Amazon, and or UHD disc to see if it is washed out (grey bars, etc) that would be awesome.
Hey Sikclown, please excuse the delay but it took me a while to set up my xbox one x and believe it or not i got it and right when i started playing had an issue with assassin's creed origins that i just fixed today, anyway i checked for the grey bars from netflix for you and they are black on the 3.60.20 firmware... sorry for taking this long but i just got around to it.
I heard that people with "Alpha" insider hub status on xbox one X, got a preview update that fixed it on the TV's 4.70.06 firmware.
That update is only available for the "Alpha" users so i didn't get it myself since i am still an "omega", joined yesterday.
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The problem is that you don't really know what LG's Enhanced and Wide color gamut's are. We are just guessing.

The bottom line is if you set it to Auto, the set will go to Rec.709 or P3 or whatever the correct color gamut is specified by the content.
In theory, I agree with you.

Here's my dilemma: With both the UHD player and the TV set to Deep Color, and Gamut set to "Auto" for HDR mode on the LG; and playing content that I know is WCG ( UltraHD Premium ) - I then change Gamut from "Auto" to "Wide" - and you will see a distinct difference in the colors. For example, when watching "The Martian" with Gamut set to "Auto" it looks more like the "brown planet" with a hint of red soil. With gamut set to "Wide", it looks like the "red planet". The flesh tones still look natural, it's just that I can clearly see the slight shade differences between the red stripe on Matt Damon's space helmet and the similar colored accents on the space suit. With Gamut set to "Auto", both the helmet and and suit look to be the same color.

So at this point, I have vey little faith that the "Auto" setting is performing as expected. In SDR everything is Rec.709, so "Auto" Gamut isn't going to do anything anyway. This kind of goes back full circle to your point in that we don't know what LG's gamut's are doing. So I'm erring on the side of caution by forcing my WCG TV to be Wide when playing HDR/WCG content. ( Every UHD/HDR Blu-ray out there - correct me if I'm wrong. ) It is accurate? - probably not. But the "Auto" setting isn't cutting it. It's become a mystery setting. Ahh, first world problems. lol
I want to ask you something i bough the martian 4k disc and its my first uhd content to watch on my c7 can you tell me on what picture mode should i watch it and if there are any changes i will.do to have the best experience and also does this movie show any bad side of the tv because i have had enough i will return the movie if thats the case thank you
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Oh my God that helps A LOT. Your 55C7p played in atmos without freezing nor audio dropouts not any other issues?
And to get Atmos from the Oppo-203 over hdmi connected straight to the TV, that means you are on the LG 4.70.06 firmware of course, correct?
I am asking because i am still on the older firmware and i wanna see if i update to the technicolor update or not.
Because i used to have a 65E7 in which i updated manually to the 4.70.06 and i had all sorts of issues connected straight to the TV and i couldn't for the life of me get my xbox one s to play a 4k bluray properly and output atmos so i exchanged the TV with a new 65E7 that's still on the older firmware and i recently got the Oppo after the exchange so i just wanna know if everything works fine so i update the TV's firmware since i don't have to use the xbox anymore to play 4k bluray.
P.S: in case anyone was wondering, i got the xbox one X and just like the S, you can't properly play 4k blurays straight to the TV and get Atmos without running into a bunch of issues.
Thank you very much good sir, you helped me figure out everything i needed to know.
I will try to play more of the movie through the built ins to check. Only did a spot check since I use the older AVR usually. Firmware is actually 04.70.07.
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I will try to play more of the movie through the built ins to check. Only did a spot check since I use the older AVR usually. Firmware is actually 04.70.07.
Alright perfect, i'll be waiting your reply... thanks again
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The only knock from real world feedback has been DSE issues. For the price the specs are amazing and the PQ is excellent - if you can find a panel that looks reasonably clean. For the price you know that they are not spending much time inspecting panels. If you want something bigger than 55" you are out of luck. For some reason they cancelled production of their 65" offering.

Might be better off going with a Vizio M or P series - or waiting to see what they do in 2018.
Newbie here ..

Q) I am more LIKELY to see screen uniformity issues if the settings are in HDR or DV mode ?

Reason is I think I am seeing clouding on the 1/3 right side of the screen (should be ALL black) .. and was thinking this could be noticed more easily with the Oled light and contrast cranked (default) in those modes ..

Maybe this panel will improve in this dept as it settles in over time / hours ?


BTW - is anyone LOWERING the Oled light and contrast values in DV or HDR modes ? this is for semi-dark room viewing .. not total darkness ..

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