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I tried...No luck....When I hit all the other input buttons next to TV like DVD, and BD, it does change the input source correctly.....AYIYI
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Should be under General / About This TV .. or somewhere around there.
About this TV, then TV information

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Wouldn't it be so nice if it just switched "automatically." LOL This pic is straight off Denon's site.
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Wouldn't it be so nice if it just switched "automatically." LOL This pic is straight off Denon's site.


Do you have HDMI control enabled on Denon? It also has to be enabled on TV (it’s called SmartLink) for the HDMI 2 port. Set TV audio to ARC under audio options too


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does turning on DC increase input lag from 21ms?
Looks and feels the same to me at any level, including off. With any other HDR mode, the lag is more noticeable. A good test is spin the camera around on the controller and notice how responsive it is as well as how smooth the image looks.
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does turning on DC increase input lag from 21ms?
Looks and feels the same to me at any level, including off. With any other HDR mode, the lag is more noticeable. A good test is to spin the camera around on the controller and notice how responsive it is, as well as how smooth the image looks.
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Should be under General / About This TV .. or somewhere around there.
nope not there in atleast EU models..
but i found it in the "In start" menu ..have the Ez adjust,service menu,in start menu,in stop in my harmony remote..only tried the ez adjust and service menu..
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Do you have HDMI control enabled on Denon? It also has to be enabled on TV (it’s called SmartLink) for the HDMI 2 port. Set TV audio to ARC under audio options too


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OK, I found another setting that I missed in the Denon menu....HDMI setup where it has "HDMI Audio Out". That was set to "AMP" but I changed it to TV. Once I went back to the DV app, the sound did kick in for the TV and the Denon panel displayed the "TV" input. HOWEVER, the sound that was coming out of the Denon was garbled and you could not understand it.. It was almost like "the chickmunk" sound and padder padder.......Any video in the DV app I had produced the same sound.
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Hey all, long time lurker here. Managed to skim through a bunch of the thread here but haven’t seen anyone w a similar situation. Took ownership of a new B7A mid October and last week out of nowhere it decided not to power on. I’ll get a few blinks out of the standby led about a second of input source displayed then back to black.
I’ve contacted LG for a repair service but wanted to see if there was something obvious I was missing.
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Anybody? No one in the thread had power issues with these sets?
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nope not there in atleast EU models..
but i found it in the "In start" menu ..have the Ez adjust,service menu,in start menu,in stop in my harmony remote..only tried the ez adjust and service menu..
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Oh, yea maybe not the EU.


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Not sure if this is the right thread for this question but I have an LG 65C7 and noticed quite a bit of stuttering (judder?) when playing movies via ShieldTV and KODI. I have KODI set to 4K/59fps but the problems is there with either "set tv to match refresh rate" or not. I never had issues with the shieldTV and my Panasonic plasma. I disable Truemotion on the LG. It's very annoying for example watching "Blue Planet 2 - Episode 1" there is some very annoying juddering going on. Debug shows nothing. So it must be a tv<>shieldTV issue. For what it's worth, when using the built-in media player, it's smooth as can be.

On another note, I have some 4K HDR rips (for example Planet Earth II) which seem to 'lose' the HDR signal right after start, dropping back to SDR viewing. When using the same file with the built-in app, HDR works fine. If I disable 'sync display to refresh rate' option in KODI, then it works fine but I want the refresh rate to be the same as the video file. Any idea how to fix this? Strange thing is, this does not happen with all HDR files I have, some work fine, some don't.
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I am at least waiting for CES for the new model specs.. Another issue to consider is the HDMI 2.1/hdr10+ addition

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Well yea...I’m waiting for CES and if nothing changes drastically then Sony A1E it is most likely. I have to buy a washer and dryer for my new condo I’m renovating with my father so an OLED mine as well get thrown in lol
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I ordered mine from Crutchfield last night with matching Bluray player....so I will have DV this week!
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OK, I found another setting that I missed in the Denon menu....HDMI setup where it has "HDMI Audio Out". That was set to "AMP" but I changed it to TV. Once I went back to the DV app, the sound did kick in for the TV and the Denon panel displayed the "TV" input. HOWEVER, the sound that was coming out of the Denon was garbled and you could not understand it.. It was almost like "the chickmunk" sound and padder padder.......Any video in the DV app I had produced the same sound.
How old is your Denon? I wonder if it has issues with DD+ audio format... Try to play something that has regular DD (not Atmos) soundtrack...

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How old is your Denon? I wonder if it has issues with DD+ audio format... Try to play something that has regular DD (not Atmos) soundtrack...
It a Denon AVR 591....Not sure exactly how old but I was going to get a new Denon soon for the 4K...Maybe I should just go buy the new one and screw this....lol I have a attached a pic with what the denon displays when the TV audio is playing.
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nope not there in atleast EU models..

but i found it in the "In start" menu ..have the Ez adjust,service menu,in start menu,in stop in my harmony remote..only tried the ez adjust and service menu..

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I'm intrigued by the Panasonic EZ950 series as it at least has a no B.S. design like the B7/C7 models but it's not available in the U.S market so that's that.
The Panasonic OLEDs are now available in Canada. Might be worth a look if the exchange rate compensates enough for the hassle. However, with Black Friday pricing, the 65" Panasonic and Sony OLEDs are 50% more expensive than the LGs.

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It a Denon AVR 591....Not sure exactly how old but I was going to get a new Denon soon for the 4K...Maybe I should just go buy the new one and screw this....lol I have a attached a pic with what the denon displays when the TV audio is playing.
This model is from 2010... so, it's quite old by today's standards. I also found others having similar issues with DD+, and specifically with your model too: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...ious-avrs.html

If I would have to guess, it's the DD+ that gives you that distorted sound. As I mentioned, try playing something not in DD+ (some HD and not UHD show that has regular DD).

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Banding and vignetting on par with Sony? Those are issues from the panel unless you're referring to gradient banding and no I don't think Sony is being allowed to cherry pick their panels from LG. There might be some advantages with Sony's video processing such as motion interpolation, gradient banding and less posterization issues but there are also some disadvantage such as ABL and HDR tone mapping.

Sounds like you're drinking too much of the Sony kool-aid, I'm probably guilty of this also as I covet the advantages from the Sony but I'm under no illusion that they has some magic dust to hide near black banding and vignetting (this now appears to be a rather rare occurrence regardless) from the panel. But as you alluded to LG got closer with the last firmware update.

I'm intrigued by the Panasonic EZ950 series as it at least has a no B.S. design like the B7/C7 models but it's not available in the U.S market so that's that.
I don’t like Kool Aid...and I’ve said a long time ago how unhappy Sony’s 2015-16 TVs made me (850c and 800c) that I didn’t look at Sony again until the OLED came. I don’t think Sony is cherry picking I just think they know what they are doing way more than LG does with these OLEDs so maybe it’s all the processing and how they power their panels. I do not see many swaps or returns for the Sony OLEDs let alone as many banding or tinting issues. Whether it’s because The A1E isn’t out there as much as the LG, since the Sony is steep in price and LG is much more consumer friendly...or it could be coicindence.

With that said...LGs track record isn’t great and my confidence sways more to the Sony name, even though it’s LG panels, Sony must be doing something better to have the reviews they have for their OLED.

With all that said...I don’t have the money to play with like 99% of the people in here do. Can’t buy both and compare and don’t have the time to swap and exchange etc. That is why I’m just trying to get as much info as I can about them before purchasing.

Lg has more (minimally more) detail for highlights, better peak NITs, brighter HDR. ABL isn’t an issue, colors are better, calibration is more refined. Price price price price. 65” certainly sounds nice for a C7 since it’s the same price as a A1E 55”.

Sony has better motion, from what has been read in that thread they have better uniformity and less banding issues(how? We may never know if they pick panels or dump panels off their line which causes the A1E to be so high priced compared to LG), better gradients, less posterization. Processor processor processor. New firmware may bring better HDR, reduce ABL, and add DV.

I would consider the Sony like the plasmas I used to own...people would say the ZT60 sucks in bright room conditions but when in my home the brightness was great in all conditions.

I would consider the LG more LED with OLED perks (blacks contrast color) because they are brighter, reasonably prices, and provide a lot of features.

It’s gonna be a tough choice.
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I'm intrigued by the Panasonic EZ950 series as it at least has a no B.S. design like the B7/C7 models but it's not available in the U.S market so that's that.
Would disappoint you anyway...the Avforums would be able to chime in more but the Penny has its own array of issues and is said to be no better than the Sony or LG.
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You know what.. call me crazy, but I decided to try the trick that used to fix similar issue with HTC phones that you mentioned above... and it actually worked. I no longer see the very pronounced yellow tint on the left side.. I keep trying to look for it in various content, but can't really see it any longer.. maybe just a hint (or maybe my eyes playing tricks on me), but it's no longer visible on black and white or solid light color screens. Basically, I bought a cheap UV flashlight on Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1), and use it for about 15 min by slowly moving back and forth around the left side of the screen, holding it very close to the glass. I'm not sure if it would work for anyone else, but if someone has the yellow tint issue and have UV light in the house, maybe it's worth a try.
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Had a half an hour so performed a quick visual test. I just plugged in sonoftumbles SDR bright room cal into my 55 C7 and it has made the picture inferior to base settings. I didn't meter anything, but just resetting CMS and WB to defaults improved the display to the eye drastically.

In my limited skillset and tools, I have so far helped setup 7 2017 OLEDs for SDR and each one required varying amounts WB changes. Some more than others. CMS doesn't get touched as you can end up with something the meter says is ok but is actually messed up.

Sorry to pee on the fire, but like any other TV built so far in existence, the fine controls on the LG OLEDs are specific to each and every unit
Could not agree more. I also tried sonoftumble's settings and found my P.Q worse. To top that , at the time , he was also advocating the use of Wide Colour Gamut for HDR 10 and it was so obviously wrong that I just failed to see where he was coming from with that one . I realise that sonoftumble only wishes to help people but I do think that he is very misguided in his belief that encouraging people to adopt his settings is the way to go. Each TV should be treated as an individual and either get it professionally calibrated or accept out of the box. excepting the basic preferences . Mess with the CMS at your peril.
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This model is from 2010... so, it's quite old by today's standards. I also found others having similar issues with DD+, and specifically with your model too: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...ious-avrs.html

If I would have to guess, it's the DD+ that gives you that distorted sound. As I mentioned, try playing something not in DD+ (some HD and not UHD show that has regular DD).
Youre freaking right.....I played some non DD+ and the denon played the sound correctly.....I also read that Denon thread you mentioned and it seems its a long standing problem....Well great!...lol So you think a new Denon 4K AVR like the 930H should process the audio correctly right?
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After months of research and decision making, I'm planning to buy the 65C7, probably today or at least this week since it doesn't seem the price is going to drop again before Black Friday. I'm going with Best Buy due to having a physical store locally in the event I see noticeable issues with uniformity. I have one question about this for anyone who has purchased from Best Buy. I'm going to get the extended warranty, but how does it work with replacing the TV if it has issues? They currently have free delivery, but the guy at the store said that is just dropping off the box inside and letting you set it up yourself. Would I need to pay for delivery and setup so they will come back to pick it up and replace it if something goes wrong or does the extended warranty cover on-site replacement?

Thanks in advance, and thanks to everyone who has offered information in the decision making process. Work has been busy, so I haven't been able to get on the forums much lately, but I appreciate all the feedback.
Not to make it harder for you or confusing but IMO, think most would agree here...your not gonna see much at Best Buy as far as issues with banding and uniformity. It’s the worst place to compare anything. It’s all in torch mode.

Best way to test is to bring it home and put it in the setting you are planning and see how it does. Watch Content during the day and the night, probably best if it’s the same content so that you can see if the issues you worried about exist at any point of the day. Seems like banding isn’t an issue in real content for most here.

Also remember this forum is a very very small number of people who own this tv...there are thousands who own this set outside of this forum and reviews are favorable and positive.
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Not to make it harder for you or confusing but IMO, think most would agree here...your not gonna see much at Best Buy as far as issues with banding and uniformity. It’s the worst place to compare anything. It’s all in torch mode.

Best way to test is to bring it home and put it in the setting you are planning and see how it does. Watch Content during the day and the night, probably best if it’s the same content so that you can see if the issues you worried about exist at any point of the day. Seems like banding isn’t an issue in real content for most here.

Also remember this forum is a very very small number of people who own this tv...there are thousands who own this set outside of this forum and reviews are favorable and positive.
Most people though have no idea what there looking at.

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Youre freaking right.....I played some non DD+ and the denon played the sound correctly.....I also read that Denon thread you mentioned and it seems its a long standing problem....Well great!...lol So you think a new Denon 4K AVR like the 930H should process the audio correctly right?
Yep, all new AVRs should play it back with no issues. I would suggest to wait until 2018 models though.. very good chance they will come with HDMI 2.1 ports, which should last you longer (all current ones still have HDMI 2.0a).

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Cool. We should pass that light around. Why should we buy hundreds of them?
Why? It's $10.
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Cool. We should pass that light around. Why should we buy hundreds of them?
I still would like someone who has the yellow tint issue and have UV light in the house to try it as well, just to confirm I'm not crazy... Still can't believe how much improvement it made.

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