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Does that include Direct TV satellite service?
If you get Directv 4K service, the picture quality is very good. Besides the HLG HDR on the 4K channels, the HD channels are output in BT.2020 SDR from the C61K client box instead of REC709 from non-4K client boxes. My B7A does a very good job of upscaling the 720p/1080i BT.2020 channel input to 4K.
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No Signal on Certain Channels

I picked up a 55 inch C7P a couple of months ago. It's connected to a DirecTV genie receiver. Ever since I bought it, I've had issues with certain channels (typically in the 600's and 700's) that don't receive a signal. Sometimes I get a second or two of audio, and then the screen shows the wallpaper with the message "No Signal. Please check the input selection." This happens roughly 85% of the time on these channels, and yes, they are channels I am subscribed to. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to fix this?
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If you get Directv 4K service, the picture quality is very good. Besides the HLG HDR on the 4K channels, the HD channels are output in BT.2020 SDR from the C61K client box instead of REC709 from non-4K client boxes. My B7A does a very good job of upscaling the 720p/1080i BT.2020 channel input to 4K.

Any difference in the audio qyality with Direct TV vs cable?
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After you set the picture modes for the first time and dial it in how you want you can set as default for all inputs. Same thing with HDR, set it once and it should be good to go, be aware it's a seperate setting and only accessible while HDR content is playing. It's only those of us who like to tinker that necessitate going into the menus all the time.

For no SOE, just turn off Trumotion and leave it off.

Costco's B7P has the same speakers as the C7. If you search around (go to oled deals page) you can probably find an E7 also with the even better soundbar if that's a priority for you.

If you're just watching cable and money isn't an object I think you should also consider the Sony A1E for it's superior up-scaling qualities.
Thank you guy's. I'll check out the Sony A1E now and have a look....
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...My brightness is at 48, is that too high?
I did use some of his settings/recomendations, and they look great. My panel has about ~200hours of use( 155 hours of HD/4K material through Netflix/Media server and 50hours of SD cable television)
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If this doesn't help, what are the details of the source material? Can you view that same content on the internal app to see if there is a difference?

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I picked up a 55 inch C7P a couple of months ago. It's connected to a DirecTV genie receiver. Ever since I bought it, I've had issues with certain channels (typically in the 600's and 700's) that don't receive a signal. Sometimes I get a second or two of audio, and then the screen shows the wallpaper with the message "No Signal. Please check the input selection." This happens roughly 85% of the time on these channels, and yes, they are channels I am subscribed to. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to fix this?
I would try different HDMI cables, preferably Premium High Speed HDMI Cables.

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Hi there, I have the B7P with AT4K, can someone help out with a recommendation for TV picture settings for dolby vision? Right now, I have it on Dolby Vision 4K @60htz. The mode is set on Cinema User. I have the OLED light setting at 50. The contrast at 95. The brightness is set at 50. The color is set at 50. Sharpness is set at 28. It is currently set at warm1. True motion is off. I had heard that there was going to be a technicolor mode for Dolby Vision, however the technicolor mode only seems to be available for non Dolby Vision content. Is that correct? Thanks.
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Tnx for the info. My TV has about 200 hours, bought it late December 2017. I have tried manual pixel refresh, but for now it doesnt help :/
I will check that thread, tnx.


Currently, I am on ~200 hours of watching time, will try it for another 100, and see if it will become better. If not, I will try and exchange it.
How does compensation cycle work?



My brightnes is at 48 and OLED light is at 60, I have used some of @sonoftumble settings, and they are great, but recently I have noticed this when I was watching Westworld(on intro scene).


My brightness is at 48, is that too high?
I did use some of his settings/recomendations, and they look great. My panel has about ~200hours of use( 155 hours of HD/4K material through Netflix/Media server and 50hours of SD cable television)
No brightness at 48 isn't too high. If anything, maybe a tad low. 50 is default. 60 OLED light isn't too high either. Combined with 200+ hours you have on the TV, I think you just have an especially bad panel. I'm sorry.

Run the manual pixel refresher if you haven't. If that doesn't improve it, you should think about return or exchange.
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Tnx for the info. My TV has about 200 hours, bought it late December 2017. I have tried manual pixel refresh, but for now it doesnt help :/

I will check that thread, tnx.





Currently, I am on ~200 hours of watching time, will try it for another 100, and see if it will become better. If not, I will try and exchange it.

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My brightnes is at 48 and OLED light is at 60, I have used some of @sonoftumble settings, and they are great, but recently I have noticed this when I was watching Westworld(on intro scene).





My brightness is at 48, is that too high?

I did use some of his settings/recomendations, and they look great. My panel has about ~200hours of use( 155 hours of HD/4K material through Netflix/Media server and 50hours of SD cable television)


That’s just weird to see banding on the Netflix splash screen. It should just be empty black? You didn’t mess with 20pt white balance did you?


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That’s just weird to see banding on the Netflix splash screen. It should just be empty black? You didn’t mess with 20pt white balance did you?

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If you have the same version of Netflix as filip83 (and me) then no it shouldn't be black. If you're getting black with this version then you're crushing it as the background is just above black.

As far as the banding it shouldn't be that pronounced.

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Tnx for the info. My TV has about 200 hours, bought it late December 2017. I have tried manual pixel refresh, but for now it doesnt help :/
I will check that thread, tnx.

Currently, I am on ~200 hours of watching time, will try it for another 100, and see if it will become better. If not, I will try and exchange it.
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My brightness is at 48 and OLED light is at 60
Check some 5% slide and the second video in that other thread. If you see significant banding past 30-35% in second video, that would not be acceptable to me, but everyone has different thresholds.

If it has been that long and you see noticeable banding in normal content and dark scenes, I would try to exchange it in hopes for a better panel. I don't think it will get any better with time at this point.

Your brightness setting is fine. Most keep OLED light lower than that (30-35 and rtings.com recommends even less than that), but if you have a bright or sunlit room you might have to keep it high. Again that is a personal preference, but supposedly it is better to keep it low for OLED longevity. Works for me because I watch in a dark room and 30 is more than enough for me and also doesn't fry my retina.
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Thank you guy's. I'll check out the Sony A1E now and have a look....
Just did reading on some other regarding the C7 & A1E among other TV's, seems that the C7 is still the best overall, even when it comes to the A1E. Read the A1E is slightly better in it's video processing but not worth the extra hundreds of dollars they want for it compared to the C7.

Also checked out the Sony 900 & 930E it looks nice but only 20 degree viewing angle. Looks like a C7 will be at the top of my list, at least for now.

Actually If I could find a 55" TV that gave as good a picture as my little Sammy 5000 Series UN22F5000 22" I would buy it. Unfortunately, we all know it doesn't work that way, pretty much any TV that small will throw up a good picture.

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If you have the same version of Netflix as filip83 (and me) then no it shouldn't be black. If you're getting black with this version then you're crushing it as the background is just above black.

As far as the banding it shouldn't be that pronounced.


Well now I’ll have to check my Netflix version...but I’ve also calibrated my set so I’m pretty sure I’m within spec


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Watching TV this morning and all of a sudden the picture quality seems much better. I love it!

There is no rational reason for this. So I will just have to make up wild speculations for what happened over night. (that is what the internet is for, isn't it).
Who cares, just roll with it
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Wow, for those of you with netflix, check out Altered Carbon. The scenes in this show are the best DV content i've seen so far apart from the DV demo vids that came with our sets.
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Wow, for those of you with netflix, check out Altered Carbon. The scenes in this show are the best DV content i've seen so far apart from the DV demo vids that came with our sets.
Yeah, it looks great.

Are there still people that prefer HDR10 w/ dynamic contrast over DV on these sets?
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Hey Guys,

Got a B7 a few days ago and I am perfectly happy with image quality so far. However, audio delay/lip-sync issues are driving me crazy right now.. I have a soundbar connected to the B7’s optical out and an Apple TV and a PS4 Pro via HDMI-In.
Now, whenever there’s a Dolby-Digital-Signal being passed through the optical out, there is quite a big delay (not only on the soundbar but on the internal speakers as well). Weird thing is, PCM-sound is perfectly fine. Everything is in sync when I set PS4 to "PCM" and Apple TV to "Stereo".

Running on latest firmware.

Anyone else got these issues? Any help would be appreciated, as this is really a killer for me right now and I am thinking about returning it..

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Did you ever get this figured out? I just bought a TV for the Super Bowl and the sync issues are driving me NUTS. The best I can get it is about a one second delay. I got this by selecting PCM with AV Sync On and Bypass also on.
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Yeah, it looks great.

Are there still people that prefer HDR10 w/ dynamic contrast over DV on these sets?
Really? For what reasons was HDR10 preferred over DV?

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Hi everyone,

anybody testing the Korean firmware 4.70.36 https://www.lgservice.co.kr/search/d...teCode=D002795 on a european LG7 model? There is still no update on the UK site only on the US.
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anybody testing the Korean firmware 4.70.36 https://www.lgservice.co.kr/search/d...teCode=D002795 on a european LG7 model? There is still no update on the UK site only on the US.
Korean/US firmwares are not compatible with European models.
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Try the following basic settings from sonoftumble:

SDR Picture Mode: technicolor Expert
Energy Saving: Off

BASIC SETTINGS:
OLED Light: 36
Contrast: 85
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 10
Color: 48
Tint: 0

If this doesn't help, what are the details of the source material? Can you view that same content on the internal app to see if there is a difference?
Ok, I've tried your settings. It's better, I think it's bearable to watch. Watched House of Cards last night, and didnt notice a lot of banding.

As for the source, I've tried internal Netflix app and one on my Shield, same story.
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No brightness at 48 isn't too high. If anything, maybe a tad low. 50 is default. 60 OLED light isn't too high either. Combined with 200+ hours you have on the TV, I think you just have an especially bad panel. I'm sorry.

Run the manual pixel refresher if you haven't. If that doesn't improve it, you should think about return or exchange.
I've tried running manual pixel refresher, but nothing happened, no improvement. As for returning it, that is a no go, I can only try to exchange it.
Will run it for 100-150 more hours, and then I will try and exchange it.


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Nope, just the standard settings. Don't know where that option is. lol

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Check some 5% slide and the second video in that other thread. If you see significant banding past 30-35% in second video, that would not be acceptable to me, but everyone has different thresholds.

If it has been that long and you see noticeable banding in normal content and dark scenes, I would try to exchange it in hopes for a better panel. I don't think it will get any better with time at this point.

Your brightness setting is fine. Most keep OLED light lower than that (30-35 and rtings.com recommends even less than that), but if you have a bright or sunlit room you might have to keep it high. Again that is a personal preference, but supposedly it is better to keep it low for OLED longevity. Works for me because I watch in a dark room and 30 is more than enough for me and also doesn't fry my retina.
I've tried seetings form @maveric23 , and it looks better now. So i will try your recommendations and see how it goes.
I usually watch it during night, dark room. Wife is watching through the day, but she doesn't notice anything on SD cable, so OLED light will be at 35 for now.
If it doesn't get any better in the next 10days, I will try and exchange the tv. Tnx
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Wow, for those of you with netflix, check out Altered Carbon. The scenes in this show are the best DV content i've seen so far apart from the DV demo vids that came with our sets.
I didn't know that the TV came with demo Dolby Vision demo scenes. How to find them? What's the best way to watch them?

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I didn't know that the TV came with demo Dolby Vision demo scenes. How to find them? What's the best way to watch them?


Right in the main menu with all the TV apps (Netflix, vudu etc) you'll see the Dolby app. Can't miss it.


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I never see the main menu - obviously that is why I didn't see them. I can't recall how to bring up the main menu. Is it the Home button?

Every device in the world now has streaming content apps (except for the Oppo 203).The TV, the receiver, the 4k player, smart phones, etc. Is there a good reason to use the apps in our LG OLED's as opposed to our other devices? I'm thinking that if I want Dolby Vision, then I need to use the LG's apps (since my Sony 4k player doesn't have DV). OR is there a problem using the LG's apps?

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I agree, I have watch some things in DV and HDR10 and I struggle to see dramatic differences. If both are calibrated correctly the only difference would be in scenes where dynamic scene based metadata allows the TV to map the range better. If the TV is capable of handling the full range of any given scene then DV and HDR10 should be almost identical. Sure DV is mastered at 12 bit, but the panels are 10 so I suspect a lot of that is lost.
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probably was asked a lot of times - but.. how can i access stream information on netflix application? upper left indicator doesn't appear on tv, only netflix app buttons
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f both are calibrated correctly the only difference would be in scenes where dynamic scene based metadata allows the TV to map the range better. If the TV is capable of handling the full range of any given scene then DV and HDR10 should be almost identical.
If you fast forward DV it reverts to the base layer and the luminance will change, as shown in the YouTube video "3 Reasons We Use OPPO 203 for TV Reviews" at the five minute mark. You can do this at home and see if you notice a difference.

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