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It doesn’t really have anything to do with traditional film stock versus digital filming. Black, just like any other color, comes in many shades. Not all black is, or is intended to be, 0 IRE.
Supposedly a lot of movies in the 70’s and 80’s were shot using really cheap film. The recording film was recycled to make new film. So the original is not around to convert to digital. They have used well worn film that had been sent to theaters and used many times hence bad streaming and BluRay pictures.
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It doesn’t really have anything to do with traditional film stock versus digital filming. Black, just like any other color, comes in many shades. Not all black is, or is intended to be, 0 IRE.
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Anyone know when the new firmware update for the C7 will be available in North America? Also what does Set ID actually do and its purpose? Does it actually change anything in the tv if I changed it to Set ID 2? Thanks.



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It’s already available on the Korean website. Downloaded it to a USB and installed within minutes of my set being delivered on Saturday.
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How easy is it to take the stand off of this tv? It's a 65" B7P. I was thinking about putting the stand on it and running it for awhile just to check it out to make sure there's nothing wrong with the panel before I wall mount.

It's refurbished btw, and I'm also wondering what my options may be for an extended warranty. Someone mentioned a Mack Cam Warranty but there are no dealers in OK anywhere near where I live when I had to search for one on their site. I don't know why I can't just search thru a database of dealers geez.

Checked out Squaretrade and looks like they won't warranty a refurb tv. Hmm...

If the set looks/works great and I didn't get multiple dead pixels and the worst of the panel lottery, I may just say forget any extra warranty and buy a Philips 4K DV Ultra HD player and some movies with the money I would have spent.

I'll have a chance to check it out next Monday to make sure all is well so wish me luck.

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It’s already available on the Korean website. Downloaded it to a USB and installed within minutes of my set being delivered on Saturday.
Thanks HD-Master...I will wait for the NA release. So Set ID? Any clue what that does to the tv?

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Someone just mentioned that they doubted they would have their 2017 LG OLED calibrated. I completely understand that. I LOVE how my OLED looks. If measured by a calibrator, they might say it is way off. But I would be very afraid to have it adjusted (for fear that I would l less like how it looked). I had my plasma calibrated, and it was certainly accurate afterward, but also less exciting.

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How easy is it to take the stand off of this tv? It's a 65" B7P. I was thinking about putting the stand on it and running it for awhile just to check it out to make sure there's nothing wrong with the panel before I wall mount.

It's refurbished btw, and I'm also wondering what my options may be for an extended warranty. Someone mentioned a Mack Cam Warranty but there are no dealers in OK anywhere near where I live when I had to search for one on their site. I don't know why I can't just search thru a database of dealers geez.

Checked out Squaretrade and looks like they won't warranty a refurb tv. Hmm...

If the set looks/works great and I didn't get multiple dead pixels and the worst of the panel lottery, I may just say forget any extra warranty and buy a Philips 4K DV Ultra HD player and some movies with the money I would have spent.

I'll have a chance to check it out next Monday to make sure all is well so wish me luck.

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I needed assistance to both attach and detach the stand because it had to angle on to the stand and the stand has tabs that need to fit into slots to lock it down before you screw it together.
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I needed assistance to both attach and detach the stand because it had to angle on to the stand and the stand has tabs that need to fit into slots to lock it down before you screw it together.
Hmm...may just go ahead and put it on the wall mount right off the bat then. Just need to take the Samsung KS8000 down adjust the mount for the LG and lift it up and put it on the mount instead.

This will be my 3rd tv on this Unibrak mount I bought in 2012. Love that thing, it extends almost 3 feet out from the wall which is nice for closer 4K resolution viewing, swivels 90 and tilts 15 degrees

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Thank you for the reply. I noticed this after doing the 04.70.36 update, which I think was about 3 or 4 weeks ago. I'm not actually certain it was a result of the update; after the update I had to recreate my panel settings because the update reset everything and that's when I noticed them. I am probably more critical than the average person though after 40 years at a network where one of the things I did on a daily basis was to observe, identify and troubleshoot video issues for a national television network. After 3 or 4 weeks, the severity of the issue has diminished, but it's still quite apparent to me, depending on what the color and luminance being display is... it even seems like when the same color goes from a higher to lower luminance, the 'line' is more visible at the mid-level luminance range. It's really not a 'line' though, the left side of the screen is very slightly darker than the right side- if you didn't see the actual transition in the center, you likely wouldn't even notice it. Out of curiosity, is/was your screen also slightly darker on the left side as well, or on the right? Also, I haven't run any manual compensation cycles, as I had read elsewhere that compensation cycles were run... whenever you turned your OLED off, as I recall.

Thanks for any further feedback you can provide.

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Yes, my entire left side is darker. Though the line did align quite nicely with the pop up menu. There is a really tiny 1-4 pixel spot that is still bright on the left side though, but I'm expecting it to dim over time too. Not a stuck pixel, just as bright as the right side.

I'm suspecting it is just uneven aging. My tv currently has 1300+ hours on it. Would yours be around the same?

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ST300/LG 65 C7 Setup

I posted this in the ST300 Soundbar section, but have not received any replies.

Please do not flame me for posting the below questions. I have come to the experts to help my troubled mind.

I have an ST300 and LG 65C7. My current hook up is as follows.

Samsung M8500 via HDMI to TV Input 3
Xfinity XG1v4 via HDMI to TV Input 1
Sony PS4 via HDMI to TV Input 4
ST 300 via HDMI to TV ARC Input 2

I get sound from all inputs. I use the AUX input on the ST300 for all above and have Harmony Elite control it all.

My question is this.

1. Is this the best setup to get the best sound possible or am I missing something.

2. Should I have the UHD BD player connected to the ST300 HDMI In, then HDMI back out to ARC Input 2? Would this improve the sound at all?

3. I am confused by lossy vs. loseless and want to make sure I am getting the best bang for my buck based on my current setup.

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Thanks HD-Master...I will wait for the NA release. So Set ID? Any clue what that does to the tv?

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It can a long time for the NA release - safe to do Korean - many do/have . this is what it is suppose to do



Final Ver - 04.70.70 3/1/17 https://www.lgservice.co.kr/search/d...currentPageNo=

3. Change contents
ⓐ Tweeter Speaker No sound output problem and video ⓑ BT Soundbar connected after sound bar volume is up to MAX ⓒ Magic remote control Pairing is interrupted
Ⓓ Glitter Noise
Ⓔ Improved screen blinking when switching channel after DTV zoom zoom termination
수정 OLED DTV Lipsync correction
Ⓖ ATV Horizontal bars at the bottom of the screen
개선 Improve the backlight off shop
개선 Improved keylessness after pressing Menu key after AC On
Ⓙ White Flicker issues to improve
Ⓚ (Update) UHD ATSC3.0 reception problem response
Ⓛ (update) 17 year HDR10, HLG correspondence
Ⓜ T8 Store stream equipment improvement response (03.60.15)
Ⓝ OLED TV improved Dolby 5.1ch audio Lip-Sync (03.60.25)
Ⓞ Dolby TrueHD support _ Only OLED TV (04.70.06)
ⓟ Improved image flicker (Deep Color ON (04.70.06)
ⓠ ATSC 3.0 Recording (04.70.06)
Ⓡ T8 equipment Game Mode from On when the screen is broken improvement (04.70.30)
ⓢ Youtube VP9 HDR Contents SDR improved handling issues (04.70.30)
Ⓣ OLED model Dolby Audio HDMI input conversion Voice no issue improvement (04.70.36)
Ⓤ not improve on intermittent power (04.70.70)
4. How to upgrade: See webOS3.5_M16P_ADV_04.70.70.zip

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@golferdad50 - if you want better sound, get an AVR and some speakers. The AVR does not need to do 4k (as you could sent the video from your player to the TV and the sound via optical to the AVR). CNET had an article a bit ago about how the sound from an inexpensive AVR and speakers beat the heck out of any soundbar. They even had suggested systems. I'm guessing that you could get an AVR and inexpensive speakers for less than $500. That is new. If you went used, you could get for even less. Lossless sound is noticeably better than lossy sound.
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It can a long time for the NA release - safe to do Korean - many do/have . this is what it is suppose to do



Final Ver - 04.70.70 3/1/17 https://www.lgservice.co.kr/search/d...currentPageNo=

3. Change contents
ⓐ Tweeter Speaker No sound output problem and video ⓑ BT Soundbar connected after sound bar volume is up to MAX ⓒ Magic remote control Pairing is interrupted
Ⓓ Glitter Noise
Ⓔ Improved screen blinking when switching channel after DTV zoom zoom termination
수정 OLED DTV Lipsync correction
Ⓖ ATV Horizontal bars at the bottom of the screen
개선 Improve the backlight off shop
개선 Improved keylessness after pressing Menu key after AC On
Ⓙ White Flicker issues to improve
Ⓚ (Update) UHD ATSC3.0 reception problem response
Ⓛ (update) 17 year HDR10, HLG correspondence
Ⓜ T8 Store stream equipment improvement response (03.60.15)
Ⓝ OLED TV improved Dolby 5.1ch audio Lip-Sync (03.60.25)
Ⓞ Dolby TrueHD support _ Only OLED TV (04.70.06)
ⓟ Improved image flicker (Deep Color ON (04.70.06)
ⓠ ATSC 3.0 Recording (04.70.06)
Ⓡ T8 equipment Game Mode from On when the screen is broken improvement (04.70.30)
ⓢ Youtube VP9 HDR Contents SDR improved handling issues (04.70.30)
Ⓣ OLED model Dolby Audio HDMI input conversion Voice no issue improvement (04.70.36)
Ⓤ not improve on intermittent power (04.70.70)
4. How to upgrade: See webOS3.5_M16P_ADV_04.70.70.zip
Thanks bob brennan...looks like some solid improvements here..unfortunately I need the Korean translated into english..I may wait for the NA release which shouldnt be too far behind.
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Thanks bob brennan...looks like some solid improvements here..unfortunately I need the Korean translated into english..I may wait for the NA release which shouldnt be too far behind.


If you visit the link in Chrome, it will offer to translate it to English for you.
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@golferdad50 - if you want better sound, get an AVR and some speakers. The AVR does not need to do 4k (as you could sent the video from your player to the TV and the sound via optical to the AVR). CNET had an article a bit ago about how the sound from an inexpensive AVR and speakers beat the heck out of any soundbar. They even had suggested systems. I'm guessing that you could get an AVR and inexpensive speakers for less than $500. That is new. If you went used, you could get for even less. Lossless sound is noticeably better than lossy sound.
+1 to the suggestion to get an AVR with speakers. However I would suggest that if you do, get an AVR that passes DV and supports ATMOS. Even entry level AVRs have these features these days.

As of today and based on the specs of your ST300, you are probably already optimized connecting things directly to your TV. The ST300 doesn't support any lossless surround codecs, only has one HDMI input and doesn't pass HDR.
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If you visit the link in Chrome, it will offer to translate it to English for you.
Thanks HD-Master. I got the translation from Chrome. Much appreciated for the information.

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Yes, my entire left side is darker. Though the line did align quite nicely with the pop up menu. There is a really tiny 1-4 pixel spot that is still bright on the left side though, but I'm expecting it to dim over time too. Not a stuck pixel, just as bright as the right side.

I'm suspecting it is just uneven aging. My tv currently has 1300+ hours on it. Would yours be around the same?
Interesting. As I mentioned in my first post I was sure that the menu overlay would line up perfectly until I lined up a couple of Post-Its at the top and bottom of where the line is and then called up the menu- it's not off by much, but goes slightly beyond where the line is, maybe 1/16" at most. No other odd pixel-level issues anywhere else (yet, fingers crossed). Not sure why the 2 halves of the panel would age at different rates, but if this is a 'thing', I wonder if there's a setup control to balance both halves to match.

Purchased July 2017, has 3295 hours on it currently- wow, I didn't know I watched that much TV!

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Anyone know when the new firmware update for the C7 will be available in North America? Also what does Set ID actually do and its purpose? Does it actually change anything in the tv if I changed it to Set ID 2? Thanks.

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Say you are lucky enough to have several C7's in your man cave, You can use RS-232 controls with a set ID to correctly send control requests to the desired set. (I edited my original post because I was very wrong...)

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I got an avr plus two elac bookshelf speakers and they pack a punch, better than a soundbar for certain

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lossy vs lossless

For those interested in how well you can hear the difference (if at all) here's an interesting test:

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Would the Insignia NS-HWMC1848 TV stand with mount work with the C7?

I want the bottom edge of the TV about 36 inches from the ground (maybe an inch or two more) and enough space for an SVS ultra center on the top shelf.

Also, a bit confused about VESA mount standards... is 300mm by 200mm same as 200mm by 300mm? The LG site shows one of those and the online manual for this stand/mount shows the other... Thanks




This is my 65” B7 on the stand. C7 shouldn’t be any different. I have mine mounted just about the lowest you can go, which is almost 30” from the floor with about a 7” shelf clearance. You can easily mount it higher, probably another 20”. Due to the mounting point being lower on the TV back and depending how you place the mounts, you might have the brackets extend below TV. The shelf depth is 15”, but the TV will extend out about halfway. So if you have them extend below, you *could* run into your center overhanging the shelf edge just a little. Just something to keep in mind, but I don’t think you’ll have any problems.
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That looks like a substantial update.

On a totally unrelated note... Netflix Jessica Jones... S2 is still compressed and grainy at times. Not sure why these shows can't look clean like Altered Carbon or Chef's Table.
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+1 to the suggestion to get an AVR with speakers. However I would suggest that if you do, get an AVR that passes DV and supports ATMOS. Even entry level AVRs have these features these days.

As of today and based on the specs of your ST300, you are probably already optimized connecting things directly to your TV. The ST300 doesn't support any lossless surround codecs, only has one HDMI input and doesn't pass HDR.
Thanks for your input.

I fully realize separate receiver and speakers would be a preferred option, however this not in the cards right now.

Based on my current setup, I just wanted to make sure I take full advantage of what I have to work with.

Your reply does just that. Thanks again.
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For those interested in how well you can hear the difference (if at all) here's an interesting test...
I can't hear any significant difference on the JBL305's connected to my PC. Perhaps if I listened repeatedly and intently or had higher end gear I could. But for typical listening (for me), they're all pretty much the same, which is no surprise at all.
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That looks like a substantial update.

On a totally unrelated note... Netflix Jessica Jones... S2 is still compressed and grainy at times. Not sure why these shows can't look clean like Altered Carbon or Chef's Table.
Thats intended, I see the same effect on my vizio P series.
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So Set ID? Any clue what that does to the tv?

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"Set ID" is only important when sending control commands to the TV via the RS-232 3.5mm jack on the back of the TV. If you are still with me at this point, the baud rate is 9600. LOL

I design control systems for commercial venues such as bowling alleys and sports bars. Typically there could be close to 50 or more TV displays that need at least power on/off control.

Although you can assign a different ID for each TV, it is not necessary to do so, and only complicates the programming.

Bottom line - it has nothing to do with picture quality and just leave it be.

LG OLED65C7P 4-20-19 Calibration SDR/HDR/DV FW 05.80.15: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...l#post57928994
VIZIO M70-D3 Calibration SDR/HDR FW 3.4.8.15: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post55595700
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Thats intended, I see the same effect on my vizio P series.
Yeah, I figured. Not sure why they intend it
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^^^who knows, I actually like it!
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That looks like a substantial update.

On a totally unrelated note... Netflix Jessica Jones... S2 is still compressed and grainy at times. Not sure why these shows can't look clean like Altered Carbon or Chef's Table.
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I don’t mind the grain. Artistic choice. It does look a little artificial in UHD HDR versus 1080p SDR where it gave it a film like texture.

But what annoys me is all the motion judder. Beginning of the second or third episode of Jessica Jones season two in DV on the built in app, there is a tracking shot across a bridge and it is just a silly amount of judder. The screen is just a shimmering blur of bouncing lines.
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