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me too!
I've got mine at 1886 but guess its the same anyway.
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Go switch HDR off on your XBOX, turn the backlight to 100. That’s the best I can tell you. The difference is starggering. You’ll also get more chicken dinners since you’ll see people more easily.
Interesting. Though, between that, and playing a couple hours of Sea of Thieves, 7 hours of Monster Hunter World, 5 hours each on COD: WW2 and Star Wars: Battlefront 2, a couple hours each of Horizon Zero Dawn and Uncharted 4, and 65 hours of Assassin's Creed Origins without thinking any of those are dim/unplayable, I'll stay blissfully ignorant and just keep enjoying my OLED and games, =)
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Oh well, if I feel like being a glutton for punishment, I'll try to get some pictures tonight... do we have a favorite YouTube test that everyone agrees is the best? I just randomly picked one from the Search last night
You could just search 5% grey etc. via the built in YouTube app. Lots of test patterns etc. available on YT.



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How do you turn Edge Enhancer On. By switching it to ON or OFF.

THIS IS NOT A TRICK QUESTION
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My C7 finally arrived. It looks amazing. I will say, I followed rtings calibrations, though I'm confused if you are supposed to have the exact same settings for game mode because they don't really clarify.

But personally I find the W30 to warm, and the default C31 in game mode waaaay to cool.

Anybody have their own calibrations? Or maybe a better calibration than rtings?

And is the technicolor expert preset 'good enough' ?
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No of course backlight 100 is nowhere near normal. Heck, backlight at 50 is still easier to play PUBG in SDR that backlight 100 HDR on the XBOX One X. I'm just providing you with the example you wanted.


I understand. My only other hdr experience with the games I mentioned was on my Js9000 lcd which has nowhere near the black levels of the B7A. I didn’t immediately say “this is too dark” when I played some games on the OLED so I figured either the games I was trying weren’t ones with the issue or there are certain parts of the game that show exactly what problem people have with it. I’ll experiment more tonight to get a better comparison.

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2017 LG C7-B7 Owners' Thread (No Price Talk)

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My C7 finally arrived. It looks amazing. I will say, I followed rtings calibrations, though I'm confused if you are supposed to have the exact same settings for game mode because they don't really clarify.



But personally I find the W30 to warm, and the default C31 in game mode waaaay to cool.



Anybody have their own calibrations? Or maybe a better calibration than rtings?



And is the technicolor expert preset 'good enough' ?


Technicolor expert for everything except game mode and Dolby vision. I use warm 2 for everything and game mode is w45 which to my eyes looks pretty close to warm2 in other modes. White point should not be paper white but since I can’t measure the accuracy I go by eye.

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Anyone smart enough to understand these Calibration Notes from LG:

Calibration Notes for 2017 LG OLED
• The ‘Edge Enhancer’ setting in the Expert Picture Mode Settings does not increase sharpness; the default ‘On’ setting is a bypass function, and is therefore recommended
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Anyone smart enough to understand these Calibration Notes from LG:

Calibration Notes for 2017 LG OLED
• The ‘Edge Enhancer’ setting in the Expert Picture Mode Settings does not increase sharpness; the default ‘On’ setting is a bypass function, and is therefore recommended
I don't believe that setting does anything, I wouldn't worry about it.

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Interesting. Though, between that, and playing a couple hours of Sea of Thieves, 7 hours of Monster Hunter World, 5 hours each on COD: WW2 and Star Wars: Battlefront 2, a couple hours each of Horizon Zero Dawn and Uncharted 4, and 65 hours of Assassin's Creed Origins without thinking any of those are dim/unplayable, I'll stay blissfully ignorant and just keep enjoying my OLED and games, =)
I have hundreds of hours of gaming under my belt on this OLED. It’s wonderful. 80 hours in MHW lately. And so many hours in PUBG it’s ridiculous. I’m just still aware that my old Samsung KS8000 was significantly brighter in game mode/HDR. I wouldn’t go back, though.
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On the 2016 Oleds edge enhancer is tied to sharpness, so if it's the same on 2017 models just crank the sharpness all the way up and you should see edge enhancer do something when toggling it on/off.
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I don't believe that setting does anything, I wouldn't worry about it.
So how do you turn it off then?
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How do you turn Edge Enhancer On. By switching it to ON or OFF.

THIS IS NOT A TRICK QUESTION
To enable Edge Enhancer, set it to OFF.

To bypass it, set it to ON.
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To enable Edge Enhancer, set it to OFF.

To bypass it, set it to ON.
Thank you for clarifying. I bet most people intuitively get this wrong. What a strange decision from LG.
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To enable Edge Enhancer, set it to OFF. To bypass it, set it to ON.
I wondered why Technicolor Expert mode had it set to ON by default and had All other processing set to OFF - this makes more sense now.
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Regarding “Game Mode”....just don’t use it. The only advantage to it is a reduction in lag time, but the difference between it being on or off is minuscule. If you notice a difference...it’s a placebo effect.
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So other than Technicolor Expert mode is there anything else "going on under the hood" with the other pic modes or are they basically just preset modes, meaning you can make any other mode behave exactly like another mode by changing the default settings?

The reason I ask is that my TV is in a large mixed-use area with lots of windows and the lighting from day to night is drastic and I have yet to find one universal setting that works well for both - couple this with the fact LG doesn't have any direct pic access - so the next best thing is I've programmed the pic mode button on my Logictech remote along with the left arrow, right arrow and a exit button.

So with 3 button pushes (or with a 3 step macro) I can change back and forth between 2 adjacent pic modes and clear the menu screen to return to the movie. I was using ISF Dark and ISF Bright (set to Technicolor settings) but would like to use Technicolor Expert (for day) and ISF Bright (for night, using ISF Dark settings) because they are adjacent.

I understand I could add another left or right arrow command to go from Technicolor Expert to ISF Dark default - but if I can do it in 3 steps instead of 4 it's quicker and more likely to be executed properly each time, and thus avoiding groans from the peanut gallery.

So even without this special use case, I am asking if the different modes (other Technicolor Expert) are replicable or if there are "several things going on under the hood that are actually very significant" with the other modes also?

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The other picture modes besides technicolor Expert are basic presets. There are a few TV brands such as Vizio which have excellent picture mode customization and switcher functions. Unfortunately, you won't get the same level of picture quality as with the LG. Try this: for watching SDR ( technicolor Expert ) content based on your viewing environment, I would set the OLED light to between 50 and 60, and set the Gamma to 2.2. That will give you a setting that will work with a wider range of lighting conditions. It might eliminate the need to keep changing picture modes.

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Regarding “Game Mode”....just don’t use it. The only advantage to it is a reduction in lag time, but the difference between it being on or off is minuscule. If you notice a difference...it’s a placebo effect.
My previous tv was the LG EC9300 and if game mode wasn't on, I couldn't play MLB The Show because I'd always be late on my swings. The C7 has less input lag as a whole, so it might really be a placebo effect on this unit, but in the past it definitely wasn't.
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The other picture modes besides technicolor Expert are basic presets. There are a few TV brands such as Vizio which have excellent picture mode customization and switcher functions. Unfortunately, you won't get the same level of picture quality as with the LG. Try this: for watching SDR ( technicolor Expert ) content based on your viewing environment, I would set the OLED light to between 50 and 60, and set the Gamma to 2.2. That will give you a setting that will work with a wider range of lighting conditions. It might eliminate the need to keep changing picture modes.
Thanks for the quick response and the suggested pic settings! I have a California great room (living room, family room, dinning room and kitchen) all open and connected to each other with 2 big bay windows (no blinds or curtains) pouring in daytime light - but at night I can get movie theater darkness (including good bias lighting) so I have tried a variety of settings including the ones you suggested but my room lighting is too extreme.

Ideal solution would be if LG had dedicate access to each (or a couple) of the pic modes then I could program Logitech easily for daytime and nighttime viewing - I mean why have so many pic options if you can't easily access them on the fly?

With some additional testing, I found that my (daytime) Technicolor Expert and (daytime) ISF Bright settings are very close in pq so I'll use TE for critical night viewing (with nighttime settings) and ISF-B (with daytime settings) for day viewing and get back to adjacent pic settings and use my Logitech macros.

Thanks again!
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Does NOT answer what I asked. I want to know what games are dim or dull. None of my games are and they all have proper punch and proper highlights with proper shadow detail. Is it my room being dark when I play in HDR? Is it the games I am trying?

Basically give me a specific game and specific scene or part I can try to see how it looks to me because what I have seen thus far is fine to my eyes.
None dim to me to a point of being wrong. Highly subjective. Enjoy your games, This is not an issue to truly be concerned about IMO

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Owner of an LG C7 and use of primary games with over 2000 hours.. I would definitely recommend Game Mode and HDR Game Mode especially if you are playing COD WW2 or the like. The picture might seem dim at first but it's actually a better picture since it's not overblown and resolve more detail. I came from an LCD and thought brighter was better.. but I've really come to appreciate the inky blacks of OLED because even though it doesn't get as bright.. it's bright enough for my environment.. the blacks really manifest itself onto everything and make the image as a whole pop. I also can't stress enough that it really depends how well HDR was implemented in the game.. For example.. Uncharted 4 seemed dark because it wasn't really made with HDR in mind.. but as more games starting coming out being actually implemented with it.. I never was like "oh that's not bright enough." COD is a perfect example because you can actually adjust the in game brightness slider to your liking. And the input lag is amazing. I can definitely feel the lag difference in Standard mode. I occasionally use Standard whenever I'm not playing a shooter type game.
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There's my 5% grey, 10% grey, and 20%. The 5% shows some zippers on the far right side of the panel and obvious thin vertical banding throughout, but it is not as bad in person as the picture exposes it to be. I'm actually kind of happy with the 10 and 20 though.

Yes near black scenes will show this issue. I actually noticed it in a movie last night. And if you search 'Near Black OLED' in YouTube a video called OLED killer near black test will come up lol. It makes it pretty obvious.

If you go back to the early parts of this thread you see people posting 5% grey slides with the same banding issues. Many much worse than anything I posted. I think I did kind of ok in the panel lottery

I try to be objective, but it seems a lot of people are blindly defending the sets yet they refuse to look at a 5% grey test. I know, I know, ignorance is bliss. But I'm not afraid to look and I love this set despite these issues - still the best tv I've ever owned

I watched that Space Walk 5K video on YouTube someone here suggested and it is am awesome display for perfect blacks. This set has no problems with jaw dropping perfect black representation and nothing but OLED can do that so I'll take the tradeoff.


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Sorry if this has been asked and answered, but I Googled and couldn’t find anything concrete:

When using a Logitech Harmony remote, is there a quick way to get in and out of game mode on these TVs? Not sure if there are discrete codes or any other shortcuts?

On my current Samsung, I have to manually switch to TV control, go to menu, navigate through 2 or 3 menus, scrolling up and down to enable and disable it. Since I use my Xbox to both play games and watch 4K Blu-Rays, this is a pain in the ass that I’m hoping can get solved by upgrading TVs.

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I have hundreds of hours of gaming under my belt on this OLED. It’s wonderful. 80 hours in MHW lately. And so many hours in PUBG it’s ridiculous. I’m just still aware that my old Samsung KS8000 was significantly brighter in game mode/HDR. I wouldn’t go back, though.
Ah, yea, I came from an SDR TV only, but a buddy has the KS8000. I know that hits brighter compared to the OLED, but I can't make that comparison as easily.

But looks like we both agree that gaming on the OLED is pretty sweet, =)
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My Wife friends came over a while back and wanted to see the tv in action so I booted up Horizon Zero Dawn on my PS4 PRO and all 10 of them were completely shocked how amazing it looked. They all wanted the OLED 😂
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Regarding “Game Mode”....just don’t use it. The only advantage to it is a reduction in lag time, but the difference between it being on or off is minuscule. If you notice a difference...it’s a placebo effect.


Wrong, wrong, wrong. One frame is 16.4ms and if you turn it off you are above two frames of lag. You can actually see the delay.

Game mode is 21ms at all resolutions both hdr and sdr. Game mode off is 63ms which is nearly 4 full frames of lag. That’s huge. Sorry but it’s not placebo at all
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Sorry if this has been asked and answered, but I Googled and couldn’t find anything concrete:



When using a Logitech Harmony remote, is there a quick way to get in and out of game mode on these TVs? Not sure if there are discrete codes or any other shortcuts?



On my current Samsung, I have to manually switch to TV control, go to menu, navigate through 2 or 3 menus, scrolling up and down to enable and disable it. Since I use my Xbox to both play games and watch 4K Blu-Rays, this is a pain in the ass that I’m hoping can get solved by upgrading TVs.



Thanks in advance.


Unfortunately no. You have to go into the menu and explicitly set game mode.

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Wrong, wrong, wrong. One frame is 16.4ms and if you turn it off you are above two frames of lag. You can actually see the delay.

Game mode is 21ms at all resolutions both hdr and sdr. Game mode off is 63ms which is nearly 4 full frames of lag. That’s huge. Sorry but it’s not placebo at all

But the image quality is worse in game mode. And there is no tone mapping with hdr while in game mode.

I also advise against it.
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But the image quality is worse in game mode. And there is no tone mapping with hdr while in game mode.

I also advise against it.
If Game Mode didn't exist on this TV, I wouldn't own it. Is it perfect? Nope. Would I use any other picture mode over it? NOT a chance. Personally, I find non-game mode to be unplayable, the input lag is so bad.
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