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post #25081 of 37281 Old 03-22-2018, 04:33 PM
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Anyone smart enough to understand these Calibration Notes from LG:

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• The ‘Edge Enhancer’ setting in the Expert Picture Mode Settings does not increase sharpness; the default ‘On’ setting is a bypass function, and is therefore recommended
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To enable Edge Enhancer, set it to OFF.

To bypass it, set it to ON.
I'm going to complicate the issue by throwing in a couple of quotes.

D-Nice says that the "On" bypassing applies to HDR, but not to SDR. I think most people say that it should be "On" for DV, too, although I'm not sure if that's definitive.

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The Edge Enhancer setting the document is only referencing HDR. It should turned off in SDR.
For a completely contrarian view (actually, the common-sense view), KevinSartori states that to turn off sharpening, Edge Enhancer should be turned off in SDR, HDR and DV. Before saying he's dead wrong, you should do the test for yourself (I haven't yet).

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From my testing, all that Edge Enhancer seems to do is enable or disable the Sharpness setting. If you set it to OFF, then Sharpness control is bypassed and has no effect. If you set it to ON, then the picture will show the effect of however Sharpness is set.

You can test this yourself: Set Sharpness to 0 and then switch back and forth between Edge Enhancer ON/OFF and you'll see no change to the picture. Next, max out Sharpness to 50. Now switch back and forth between Edge Enhancer ON/OFF. You'll see a normal unsharpened image with OFF and ugly sharpening with ON.

I've tested with both isf Expert presets (which have H Sharpness and V Sharpness controls) and the technicolor preset. I've also tested with SDR, HDR10, and Dolby Vision. In all picture modes, it functions exactly the same way: Edge Enhancer OFF disables the Sharpness control, Edge Enhancer ON enables the Sharpness control.

If you want to bypass artificial sharpening, keep Edge Enhancer OFF.
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Also for hdr game mode should I be using color space auto or wide? Wide is more saturated and shows different shades than auto but which is correct?

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But the image quality is worse in game mode. And there is no tone mapping with hdr while in game mode.



I also advise against it.


There is tone mapping that’s the point people are making when they say it’s dim. It is not clipping at max anymore.

Also setting my tv to technicolor expert and back to game mode actually looks the same.

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Ah, yea, I came from an SDR TV only, but a buddy has the KS8000. I know that hits brighter compared to the OLED, but I can't make that comparison as easily.

But looks like we both agree that gaming on the OLED is pretty sweet, =)
Not necessarily. I came from a KS8000 too, and it only beats the LG in peak nits - which many say is not the best way to judge brightness. The Real Scene Brightness rankings and Rtings rankings show the LG has better overall average brightness in HDR. My observations are the same.

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Use Wide. Video games do not use the Rec. 2020 signaling. Auto for everything else. Vincent from HDTV that does phenomenal reviews states this.
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Use Wide. Video games do not use the Rec. 2020 signaling. Auto for everything else. Vincent from HDTV that does phenomenal reviews states this.


So the games are encoded with rec.2020 colors in hdr then?

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Good luck with everything. Get ready, cause your mind is about to be blown. These sets are awe inspiring. I have had mine for nearly a month and every time I watch it, I get more impressed.

Have you purchased your HD BD player yet? This is essential hardware if you like watching Discs. If you stream, the internal APPS work well. And then again, there is always a separate streaming player. ATV4K is very popular here.
Thanks so much. I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve. I ordered the LG 970 but returned it. There were quite a few complaints about noise in the Blu-Ray players thread. The Philips BDP7502 is probably what I will get. DV firmware is out for it. I would have already bought it if it was on store shelves. As far as ATV4k, I am firmly in the Google ecosystem. I may consider it down the road but getting a new AVR & set is going to keep me busy for a bit and I don't want to add something beyond a UHD player to the mix ATM.

My focus will also include racking up my hours with varied content so I can get it calibrated.
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Use Wide. Video games do not use the Rec. 2020 signaling. Auto for everything else. Vincent from HDTV that does phenomenal reviews states this.


So the games are encoded with rec.2020 colors in hdr then?
Yes. Sorry. For HDR use auto so it can match the color space correctly. I personally use Wide because I like it better. Personal preference.
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Thanks so much. I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve. I ordered the LG 970 but returned it. There were quite a few complaints about noise in the Blu-Ray players thread. The Philips BDP7502 is probably what I will get. DV firmware is out for it. I would have already bought it if it was on store shelves. As far as ATV4k, I am firmly in the Google ecosystem. I may consider it down the road but getting a new AVR & set is going to keep me busy for a bit and I don't want to add something beyond a UHD player to the mix ATM.

My focus will also include racking up my hours with varied content so I can get it calibrated.
I just got the Philips 7502. Two HDMI outs, Dolby Vision works great. The IR remote signal is frustratingly weak and the 2 apps it has freeze/stutter. But for 4K disc DV playback it works great and that's why I wanted it (besides it being the best affordable option).

Sam's Club has a version of it called the 7302 for around $40 less. Same exact thing, but cheaper.

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I just got the Philips 7502. Two HDMI outs, Dolby Vision works great. The IR remote signal is frustratingly weak and the 2 apps it has freeze/stutter. But for 4K disc DV playback it works great and that's why I wanted it (besides it being the best affordable option).

Sam's Club has a version of it called the 7302 for around $40 less. Same exact thing, but cheaper.

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I almost ordered it from Sam's Club and got sidetracked with everything else. I read that people were have a hard time figuring out where to point the remote but a weak remote is not good either. I am playing panel lottery so I may as well just hit up BB for the LG 970. If it's noisy, I can return it. Not a member of Sam's Club so it's 10% more. My old Sony BDP-S6200 is whisper quiet and the remote is great.
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Regarding “Game Mode”....just don’t use it. The only advantage to it is a reduction in lag time, but the difference between it being on or off is minuscule. If you notice a difference...it’s a placebo effect.
The issue with not using game mode is not the max input lag, it’s the variance in input times. Without game mode engaged the timings can go from one extreme to the next depending on what is being displayed on screen and how the tv is reacting to it.

For something like a competitive fighting game (which is all about frames and timing) the tolerances in frame times matching your inputs can really affect your game

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Also for hdr game mode should I be using color space auto or wide? Wide is more saturated and shows different shades than auto but which is correct?
Auto.

Wide is not actually “wide color” it’s just the panels native colorspace without any control applied. Think of it as a delimiter. It is not actually what is known as “wide color gamut” it is just the panels native color reproduction/output

This is also the reason you are limited to only wide in game mode, it is to preserve input latency and limited any color processing. Though this thinking really doesn’t make sense to me since color mode shouldn’t affect latency.
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When using a Logitech Harmony remote, is there a quick way to get in and out of game mode on these TVs? Not sure if there are discrete codes or any other shortcuts?

On my current Samsung, I have to manually switch to TV control, go to menu, navigate through 2 or 3 menus, scrolling up and down to enable and disable it. Since I use my Xbox to both play games and watch 4K Blu-Rays, this is a pain in the ass that I’m hoping can get solved by upgrading TVs.
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Unfortunately no. You have to go into the menu and explicitly set game mode.
I know this isn't ideal nor elegant but another option would be to use a HDMI splitter from the Xbox and then input into 2 different inputs on the LG and have Logitech change inputs - one configured for game mode and another configured for 4K movie mode.
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I currently have my set connected via Cat6 cable, however, I see wifi is still turned on (as it says 'not connected' under network, and comes up as a 'new device' with Xfinity's xFi app every time I turn the television on). Is there a way to turn wifi off, as I have the set hardwired?
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I know this isn't ideal nor elegant but another option would be to use a HDMI splitter from the Xbox and then input into 2 different inputs on the LG and have Logitech change inputs - one configured for game mode and another configured for 4K movie mode.
Interesting thought. I’d have to run it from my receiver though, as that’s what I have my Xbox plugged into. Would a splitter add latency or screw up HDR?
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Yes. Sorry. For HDR use auto so it can match the color space correctly. I personally use Wide because I like it better. Personal preference.


So wait now I’m getting contradictory answers. First you say use wide cause games don’t force the switch now you say use auto. Another poster says use auto.

Are games in rec.2020 or not? Do they auto switch to the proper color space if I set it to auto? I know what wide vs auto does(same as Samsung’s auto vs native) but which is appropriate for hdr games?

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I almost ordered it from Sam's Club and got sidetracked with everything else. I read that people were have a hard time figuring out where to point the remote but a weak remote is not good either. I am playing panel lottery so I may as well just hit up BB for the LG 970. If it's noisy, I can return it. Not a member of Sam's Club so it's 10% more. My old Sony BDP-S6200 is whisper quiet and the remote is great.
Let us know how the Sony 970 works out. I had read about the issues with it, including those you mentioned.

But the remote on the Philips really might make me return or sell it off eventually. It. Sucks. That. Bad.

The new 2018 DV capable UHD players shouldn't be too far down the road.

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So here is my set on the slides... it's pretty good except for the center right band that is fairly thick and noticeable in 5% and 10% content. I've never noticed any banding except for that center right one.
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Interesting thought. I’d have to run it from my receiver though, as that’s what I have my Xbox plugged into. Would a splitter add latency or screw up HDR?
There are splitters that handle 4K & HDR not sure about the latency - although this is not a option if using an AVR unless your AVR has 2 HDMI outputs as some of the newer ones do, then you don't need the splitter.

https://www.vanco1.com/product/hdmi-...-splitter-hdr/

Again, as in my scenario, it would ALL be so much easier if LG would give us direct access to pic modes (or discrete IR codes) like most AVRs do for their different sound modes.

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There are splitters that handle 4K & HDR not sure about the latency - although this is not a option if using an AVR unless your AVR has 2 HDMI outputs as some of the newer ones do, then you don't need the splitter.

https://www.vanco1.com/product/hdmi-...-splitter-hdr/
Great. And the LGs support HDR on multiple inputs, right? I know a Vizio I have only supports HDR on one input.
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Great. And the LGs support HDR on multiple inputs, right? I know a Vizio I have only supports HDR on one input.
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Unfortunately no. You have to go into the menu and explicitly set game mode.
I don't agree with this. You can program in a picture mode to the screen or map it to a button which will allow you to toggle between picture modes on the Harmony remote. You will also need to program a return button to allow you to turn off the settings screen. However, I agree that you cannot set a discrete command that will immediately access the game picture mode.
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I hooked things up to my new C7 today and I have to admit I'm incredibly overwhelmed by the options, settings and various modes depending on what content is being displayed via what source, etc. Even trying to just follow the rtings guide was confusing, as it sometimes told me to change things that were unavailable in what I thought was the right picture mode. I also don't understand how the various picture modes work, as they seem to change, along with a variety of other picture options, depending on whether I have HDMI 1 with my PS4 Pro selected, or the built-in Netflix, or the Youtube app, etc.

I tried Uncharted and it asked me if I wanted to use HDR. I then selected Game mode from the basic settings on the tv. I think HDR was on but I wasn't blown away as I expected to be. Then I was toggling picture modes and sometimes it would say "HDR" but other times not. I'm feeling like I'm going to be tweaking and changing things constantly, and I can't get my head around how to setup each input and mode for longterm, easy use.

Aside from all of that, a few more basic questions:

My current setup is a Marantz SR6008 receiver, with 2.1 audio. I've got audio setup fine with the TV via optical out. I also have an HDMI cable going from the receiver ARC to the TV ARC. I just select the "TV Audio" option on the receiver. I believe I have the correct settings for HDMI ARC setup on the receiver. Anything special I should know here?

Meanwhile, when I put the PS4 into standby mode, I've had it turn itself on and come out of that mode a few times now. It must be tied to something with the TV auto-turning it on, right? The PS4 is connected to HDMI 1 on the TV.

One of the available inputs is some sort of Sonos wireless option. I have two Sonos Play:1 speakers in our bedroom. What are the capabilities and options of this? Can I play music via the TV Sonos thing through my 2.1 setup in my livingroom now? It seemed tied to some local storage thing vs. some regular Sonos app.

Lastly, I found the magic remote thing to be a blessing and a curse. It's often useful but sometimes takes to long to disappear and it's not always obvious which button will make it disappear quicker. Hitting "Back" usually messes with the content being viewed, particularly with the Apps on the TV. Any advice here?

For reference, my primary uses for the TV are:

PS4 Pro for gaming and streaming services not available via the TV (HBO GO). I want to make use of the HDR functionality of the PS4 Pro but am finding it daunting to setup the right picture modes for this, and when to choose which for a game vs. video content. Uncharted didn't immediately strike me as incredible HDR, which I was totally expecting.

Netflix, Hulu, Amazon apps built in. Is there one main picture setting/mode/whatever I can setup for use in all of these? Again, I want to use HDR when/where available.

Currently just feeling bummed that I’m always questioning whether the picture is being properly output and displayed. Why is true motion suddenly on? Is this actually 4K? Is this the right hdr mode? Is the image to dim/too bright because of the picture mode, a setting I should tweak in the picture mode, etc. I want to just enjoy this thing but it’s overwhelming and not intuitive.

And on top of all that, I worry that maybe my panel isn’t as good as it should be.

Lastly, I've attached two screenshots of the Netflix logo screen and two of the opening of Blade Runner in 4K via the Vudu app. Do things look right to you? The pictures are a bit more exaggerated than in person but I didn't expect to see some of these grays/cloudiness/bloom.
Does this seem like a symptom of calibration and settings/picture mode, or panel lottery?


I know this is a lot; apologies for this spewing of my crazy overwhelmed mind right now! Thanks for any help.
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They are amazing....I wonder if there is anything coming down the road that will be better then an OLED and Z9D.....
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To enable Edge Enhancer, set it to OFF.

To bypass it, set it to ON.
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I'm going to complicate the issue by throwing in a couple of quotes.

D-Nice says that the "On" bypassing applies to HDR, but not to SDR. I think most people say that it should be "On" for DV, too, although I'm not sure if that's definitive.

For a completely contrarian view (actually, the common-sense view), KevinSartori states that to turn off sharpening, Edge Enhancer should be turned off in SDR, HDR and DV. Before saying he's dead wrong, you should do the test for yourself (I haven't yet).
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From my testing, all that Edge Enhancer seems to do is enable or disable the Sharpness setting. If you set it to OFF, then Sharpness control is bypassed and has no effect. If you set it to ON, then the picture will show the effect of however Sharpness is set.

I still don't really understand this...if what @KevinSartori says is right then since I have Sharpness at 0 then Edge Enhancer On/Off should have no effect either way... in terms of absolute best image quality what should I have it set to in SDR, HDR and DV?
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Man, Vincent’s ‘18 preview makes me sad. Active HDR in Game Mode with no latency penalty. Hope LG ports that back to the ‘17’s. They support Active and they’re premium sets. I don’t want to spend another $2500 to “fix” HDR gaming.

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If you guys really want to show off what OLED tech can do go on the YouTube app on your tv and search for “Real 5K HDR: Space Walk in HDR”. It’s an astronaut doing maintenance on a satellite or on the ISS and the clarity is just incredible. Also the blackness of space in the background is 100% completely black while the space suit is completely white and you can even see the reflection off the helmet visor. I guess it was filmed in 5K and HDR graded. It’s so clear and the contrast so shocking between the astronaut and space that I was literally shocked.
I wasn't all that impressed with that video...yes the blackness of space looks inky black and gorgeous but the astronaut and ship don't look as sharp...normally HDR Channel is my go to place for jawdropping HDR 4K videos but that one was a letdown...I think the 'LG Colors of Journey HDR UHD' video looks absolutely stunning...

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hi everyone,

quick question - does it make sense to get the OLED in a room that is quite bright, or should I stick to LED?

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They are amazing....I wonder if there is anything coming down the road that will be better then an OLED and Z9D.....
I have read that MicroLed will be the new "thing". Samsung is leading the way, but it is a few years away from mass production.

It supposedly will have all the benefits of OLED without the chance for either IR or BI.

Something to look out for down the road.

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LG better update and enable active HDR in Game Mode for the 2017 models! Every other picture mode had dynamic tone mapping to make the picture brighter.
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