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For me it's because when I'm gaming I care more about how it plays than how accurate the picture is. In movies I can tell when flesh tones aren't right or the white clouds look off. In games it's not so easy, lots of game elements aren't made to look like real life and are highly stylized.
Oh absolutely. Couldn’t agree more. It likely explains why LG hasn’t fixed the color gamut for Game Mode yet, including the 2018 models from what I hear.
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I've been using game mode on my C7 and also noticed color gamut locked to wide, things definitely looked off compared to my calibrated isf dark room specifically in SDR content. I haven't tried PC mode, but doesn't it have the same input delay as game mode? Makes sense to use that for SDR games and avoid game mode altogether, but only if the input lag is still 20-22ms. Even the 20ms is higher than im used to where on pc im accustomed to my Dell S2417DG 165hz gsync monitor, but for console games 20ms is fine.
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I've been using game mode on my C7 and also noticed color gamut locked to wide, things definitely looked off compared to my calibrated isf dark room specifically in SDR content. I haven't tried PC mode, but doesn't it have the same input delay as game mode? Makes sense to use that for SDR games and avoid game mode altogether, but only if the input lag is still 20-22ms. Even the 20ms is higher than im used to where on pc im accustomed to my Dell S2417DG 165hz gsync monitor, but for console games 20ms is fine.
According to rtings PC mode 4:4:4 HDR at 1080p and 4k input lag is 21ms. Some people in this thread mentioned issues with PC mode but I don't know what those are.

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Hey guys, is it worth getting an external streamer such as an ATV 4K for use with this TV, granted that the stock WebOS apps all support 4K DV and HDR?

I have and use all of these apps using the built-in WebOS:

NetFlix
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MLB.TV

I am getting that impulse purchase feeling and have been thinking about getting an ATV 4K but seeing that I only watch the above apps, I wonder if it’s overkill and really just a waste of money.



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Hey guys, is it worth getting an external streamer such as an ATV 4K for use with this TV, granted that the stock WebOS apps all support 4K DV and HDR?

I have and use all of these apps using the built-in WebOS:

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I am getting that impulse purchase feeling and have been thinking about getting an ATV 4K but seeing that I only watch the above apps, I wonder if it’s overkill and really just a waste of money.



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I’d only get the ATV4K for something like access to ITunes content. I was able to get one via the DTVN offer and have retired my Roku devices. For me it was worth it, but I use it for DTVN, NetFlix, Amazon and ITunes. If you’re happy with the internal apps and don’t want to watch movies/tv via ITunes then personally I wouldn’t buy one. It does however give you another source for 4K HDR10 and DolbyVision content.
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I’d only get the ATV4K for something like access to ITunes content. I was able to get one via the DTVN offer and have retired my Roku devices. For me it was worth it, but I use it for DTVN, NetFlix, Amazon and ITunes. If you’re happy with the internal apps and don’t want to watch movies/tv via ITunes then personally I wouldn’t buy one. It does however give you another source for 4K HDR10 and DolbyVision content.


Hi Ph8te! Actually, I have been getting more and more into the Apple ecosystem and I have been reading wonderful things about the 4K quality that iTunes is starting to pump out. With that being said, I am willing to give iTunes a shot for my movie watching vice, this I might actually give the ATV 4K a try. Heck, I can return it back to Best Buy within 45 days if I decide not to keep it.

I don’t want to go too off topic but I have a quick question.

What about audio?

If I connect the ATV 4K directly to my Denon X4300H, will it support Atmos and 7.1 audio?


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Hi Ph8te! Actually, I have been getting more and more into the Apple ecosystem and I have been reading wonderful things about the 4K quality that iTunes is starting to pump out. With that being said, I am willing to give iTunes a shot for my movie watching vice, this I might actually give the ATV 4K a try. Heck, I can return it back to Best Buy within 45 days if I decide not to keep it.

I don’t want to go too off topic but I have a quick question.

What about audio?

If I connect the ATV 4K directly to my Denon X4300H, will it support Atmos and 7.1 audio?


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What about audio?

If I connect the ATV 4K directly to my Denon X4300H, will it support Atmos and 7.1 audio?

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No Atmos from the ATV4k, but you won’t hear from too many that don’t expect Apple to add it via an update later. Great little box, but I find LGs OS and apps to be very good too and you get Atmos.
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Lg oled 7 series overscan

I just ran into this the other day when I was involved in a video wall project for 9 LG OLED C7's in a 3x3 configuration. I couldn't get the bezel compensation mapping to work. I kept running into major picture shift in which there would be a vertical letterbox on the left side of the 3 left displays.

I finally figured it out, and of course I now have a perfectly spaced and compensated video wall. The problem is that the LG OLED 7 series all come with serious ( 10% ) overscan turned on. Some of you I am certain have run into this.

To turn off overscan, get out your Magic Remotes and:

Hold down the Settings button for about 3 seconds then go to Picture/Aspect Ratio Settings/Set "Just Scan" to "On".

You will notice that the picture will suddenly shrink and show more of the outer portions of the image. You will need to do this for each dynamic range mode; i.e. SDR/HDR/DV.

Thanks for your time and attention!

EDIT: Overscan effectively "zooms" the image, so by turning it off, lower rez content ( cable/sat/broadcast ) - as a side benefit - will also look better!
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According to rtings PC mode 4:4:4 HDR at 1080p and 4k input lag is 21ms. Some people in this thread mentioned issues with PC mode but I don't know what those are.
Not sure what they are either... just changed my ps4 pros input to pc mode, set preset to isf dark, tried gamut auto, wide, and extended, all of them looked slightly different, auto being correct. Surprised i have full 20 point white balance controls now, game mode doesnt let me do that.... and with input lag being the same i can now have perfect 2.2 gamma tracking with a properly calibrated greyscale.
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I just ran into this the other day when I was involved in a video wall project for 9 LG OLED C7's in a 3x3 configuration. I couldn't get the bezel compensation mapping to work. I kept running into major picture shift in which there would be a vertical letterbox on the left side of the 3 left displays.

I finally figured it out, and of course I now have a perfectly spaced and compensated video wall. The problem is that the LG OLED 7 series all come with serious ( 10% ) overscan turned on. Some of you I am certain have run into this.

To turn off overscan, get out your Magic Remotes and:

Hold down the Settings button for about 3 seconds then go to Picture/Aspect Ratio Settings/Set "Just Scan" to "On".

You will notice that the picture will suddenly shrink and show more of the outer portions of the image. You will need to do this for each dynamic range mode; i.e. SDR/HDR/DV.

Thanks for your time and attention!
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Hi Ph8te! Actually, I have been getting more and more into the Apple ecosystem and I have been reading wonderful things about the 4K quality that iTunes is starting to pump out. With that being said, I am willing to give iTunes a shot for my movie watching vice, this I might actually give the ATV 4K a try. Heck, I can return it back to Best Buy within 45 days if I decide not to keep it.

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No Atmos from the ATV4k, but you won’t hear from too many that don’t expect Apple to add it via an update later. Great little box, but I find LGs OS and apps to be very good too and you get Atmos.
Atmos is coming soon. I anticipate that it will be introduced at this year's WWDC . . . next month.

Here's a great website that lists every 4K/HDR/DV title available for rent or purchase through the iTunes Movie Store. The list is updated regularly. I'm not sure how it compares with UHD Blu-ray's in terms of title count, but I'm guessing that there is more to be found in iTunes than on disc:

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1505495519

You may have already seen this, but just in case you didn't, this will give you a good idea as to just how good the signal quality is with the ATV 4K:

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I have purchased a ps4 and the last god of war that I play on my b7. I use game mode and hdr is activated but the game looks very dark.. Any idea to correct it ? Many thanks
In the picture settings, I switched Black Level from "low" to "high". Normally on most sources this would make things look washed out, but not on the PS4. I also noticed in other apps, like Plex or Netflix that everything was so so dark and borderline unwatchable. Grey areas on the Plex interface were jet black. Something wasn't right. I made the change to the black level and it had no negative affect on any other aspect other the picture. Everything looks perfect now.
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Atmos is coming soon. I anticipate that it will be introduced at this year's WWDC . . . next month.



Here's a great website that lists every 4K/HDR/DV title available for rent or purchase through the iTunes Movie Store. The list is updated regularly. I'm not sure how it compares with UHD Blu-ray's in terms of title count, but I'm guessing that there is more to be found in iTunes than on disc:



https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1505495519



You may have already seen this, but just in case you didn't, this will give you a good idea as to just how good the signal quality is with the ATV 4K:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbKCZpQN72c


Yea, I saw that video last night. I will purchase the ATV 4K this evening after work and give it a try. Thanks!


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It sounds like you are watching cable TV, or you've got some settings that need revising. I have not noticed any difference or issues in which image artifacts has been introduced after installing FW revs. .36, .70, or .76 . . . . So, without more info about your setup, you're only going to get a bunch of guessing - like the one I just threw at the wall. Maybe it will stick, but most likely not.
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Issues with Apple TV 4K non-stereo audio-- SOLVED! (at least for me!)

Thought that maybe this could help some folks out:

I've seen people post quite a few times about lip sync issues using an Apple TV 4K with their OLED.

I too was having major issues with the audio setting on my AppleTV 4K when watching on either my 55" or 65" B7a -- lip sync issues were rampant and nothing I could do would fix it if the Apple TV was set to Best Available or Dolby Digital 5.1. (side note: I use a Samsung sound-bar via ARC and also tested with internal speakers) The fix for this has been to set the Apple TV to "stereo" mode which has made a lot of people unhappy.

Well, I found a recommendation to change the HDMI audio settings on the OLED to "PCM" instead of using the default "AUTO". I don't know if it was the combination of the new beta software on my Apple TV (I do the beta testing option), or this, but there's no longer any lip sync issues using sound modes other than Stereo! I had the issues even with the new Apple TV beta software, but as soon as I changed the AUTO setting to PCM, everything was instantly fixed. I've seen this issue pop up on the forums before with this TV and it seems the consensus that it was the TV and not Apple's issue. I don't know about that, but I thought I'd share my experience!
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This is especially true for someone like me who is a PC gamer and using a mouse on the screen, you can immediately tell it's sluggish and laggy compared to my monitor. I use my B7A for PC games because it supports HDR and 4k, my monitor does not.
Meh... no reason for me to move the PC to the B7A... at least not until WoW is HDR. My monitor is 4k and the game (and every other game I play such as Witcher 3, GTA5) look gorgeous.

For now the PC (i7 7700k, 1080 Ti ) keeps its monitor and the XB1X and Switch are connected to the B7A.

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Yeah I'm more into physical media but I do have an ATV 4K because I like to have the option to rent off iTunes as well as stream... I've got my entire disc library stored on my PC and access it via iTunes. For Netflix and Amazon I'll use the TV internal apps for the convenience and Atmos support.

For new movies especially those with Atmos it's always disc first... but for a classic from 1986 sometimes I'll just click a few buttons and stream it rather than loading the disc.

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I've wondered about this, having adjusted for overscan on my previous plasma. Anyone know how accurate the geometry is on these TVs?
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Why the 3 secondes push ? This setting is available even without that...

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TV died Saturday night. Called LG Sunday afternoon. Repaired Wednesday morning. Not too shabby.

After updating the firmware and settings, I'm happy that my Harmony remote commands all still work. Had one issue with ATV balking at me about my HDMI cable when trying to load Netflix. Deleted and reinstalled Netflix and all is fine & dandy.

The TV now has a NEW serial number. Wonder if this will cause any issue down the road if another (please God, no!) warranty repair is needed?
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Why the 3 secondes push ? This setting is available even without that...
If you just click the Settings button it will show you the settings options on the right. At that point you have to click on the Picture settings option. If you hold down the Settings button for 3 seconds, it will take you directly to the Picture settings. Basically, it saves you a click step.

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I've wondered about this, having adjusted for overscan on my previous plasma. Anyone know how accurate the geometry is on these TVs?
If you stream Netflix the have a few test patterns that will show you "overscan"

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I've wondered about this, having adjusted for overscan on my previous plasma. Anyone know how accurate the geometry is on these TVs?


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If you just click the Settings button it will show you the settings options on the right. At that point you have to click on the Picture settings option. If you hold down the Settings button for 3 seconds, it will take you directly to the Picture settings. Basically, it saves you a click step.
HAH! I was wondering if there was a shortcut for this...thanks for this - was always hitting settings, moving the cursor to the right hand of the screen, clicking the DOT DOT DOT, then moving the cursor ALL the way back over to the left hand side of the screen

If you do Apply to All Inputs, do you still have to set this for each video input type (SDR, DV, HDR)?

Thanks again
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HAH! I was wondering if there was a shortcut for this...thanks for this - was always hitting settings, moving the cursor to the right hand of the screen, clicking the DOT DOT DOT, then moving the cursor ALL the way back over to the left hand side of the screen

If you do Apply to All Inputs, do you still have to set this for each video input type (SDR, DV, HDR)?

Thanks again
The setting is at the same level as the picture mode, so the "Apply to All Inputs" doesn't "apply" in this case.

So you have to adjust for each dynamic range signal. You may find that HDR will not have the same setting option. It may say something like "Original" and will be greyed out. That's normal.

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The setting is at the same level as the picture mode, so the "Apply to All Inputs" doesn't "apply" in this case.

So you have to adjust for each dynamic range signal. You may find that HDR will not have the same setting option. It may say something like "Original" and will be greyed out. That's normal.
Appreciate it! Will check tonight...pretty sure I'm set correctly
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LG OLED 7 series all come with serious ( 10% ) overscan turned on. Some of you I am certain have run into this.

To turn off overscan, get out your Magic Remotes and:

Hold down the Settings button for about 3 seconds then go to Picture/Aspect Ratio Settings/Set "Just Scan" to "On".

You will notice that the picture will suddenly shrink and show more of the outer portions of the image. You will need to do this for each dynamic range mode; i.e. SDR/HDR/DV.

Thanks for your time and attention!

EDIT: Overscan effectively "zooms" the image, so by turning it off, lower rez content ( cable/sat/broadcast ), as a side benefit will also look better!
Thanks so much for posting this. I hate excessive overscan. I watched the top of the screen in SDR as I clicked "On" and gained about 3/4" of real estate! That's A LOT spread over 4 sides!
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