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First time OLED buyer here. I got the 65B7A for a crazy good price matched deal and it will be delivered by Friday.

I was initially going to get the TCL 6 Series 65" because of the price/performance/Roku, but for a few hundred more I was able to get the 65B7A. Based on Rtings reviews, the performance of the 2017 OLEDs are somewhat close to the 2018's and I can save thousands.

This will be replacing my HT2050 projector as my living room TV. I will miss a 80-90 inch screen (small apartment, not enough throw distance), but OLED will be a huge PQ upgrade.

I have the Sony XE900E in my bedroom, and the B7A should easily surpass that as well.

Excited. I haven't truly experienced an OLED at home yet, so yeah I expect things to go very well.
Congrats and welcome...get that popcorn ready😊
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Fairly new owner of an LG OLED65B7 (for 1-2 months, now). This has probably been rehashed somewhere in this thread already, (unlikely to read the thread from its very beginning, sorry!) but is there no PDF (readable) User's Manual for the 2017 LG OLED TVs? All I can find online is a fairly short & worthless Owner's Manual PDF and then a reference to the TV's online/internal User Guide (with all their cute little animal, etc, icons) that can only be viewed or used via the TV -- being right there on the TV is handy, I guess, but fairly inefficient. I've downloaded it on to my PC, but it just doesn't seem very functional there. Maybe I'm just way too Old-School, but I actually prefer reading (from a text) about the settings and operating instructions.

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Congrats and welcome...get that popcorn ready😊
Mine is.

Preorder arrives tomorrow... Saving Private Ryan 4K. Every review I've read said it's a worthy double dip and to add it to your collection.

Problem is though... I've never seen it. Somehow I missed it so many times dating back to 1998... first time seeing it will be 4K UHD with an Atmos track on an OLED.

Could be worse. I wish I could say I planned it this way... but it worked out nonetheless. An amazing price at Amazon too for both discs and digital code.
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^^^wow that's surprising, although I must admit I haven't seen that flick in years...if you haven't seen it...the first minutes or so are pretty intense, and if you have a good sound system you'll get a good workout from that as well!
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Problem is though... I've never seen it.
It is impossible to describe in words how gut-wrenching the opening scene is. It is valuable in the context of the whole film, but on its own it is not "enjoyable" on any possible level. I watch and rewatch a great many heavy and serious films, but I've never felt the desire to return to Saving Private Ryan. Great film, but really in a class all it's own on the "need to be in the right mood" meter.
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Just change the input to pc to engage 4:4:4 and low latency settings.
It’s the picture mode on this tv (and practically all TVs) that allows for proper 4:4:4 replication.

If using a game console with pc mode, check to see if the console supports a 4:4:4 mode to match the color sub spaces. If not you’re sol on one to one support.

I’ve found on this set that game consoles in pc mode that are locked to 4:2:0 tend to blow out (bright) reds pretty badly, Practically to the point of looking like a neon glow.

I am sure someone has some general pc mode settings they feel work well enough for most people’s sets, but off hand I can’t think of any to pass along here.
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PC mode is fine for SDR gaming. The problem is HDR. You can't pass 4K/60 10-bit 4:4:4 over HDMI due to bandwidth constraints. If you try to do it anyway and send an HDR signal into an input marked PC, the set will reduce the 10-bit signal to 8-bit and you'll see serious banding.
Ok cool, did all this changed the HDMI I am using for PC to PC with the icon. Hope that was all I had to do?

As far as calibration though, just use my recommended same settings? Does anything need to be different for when in PC mode. Such as sharpness, etc...?
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As far as calibration though, just use my recommended same settings? Does anything need to be different for when in PC mode. Such as sharpness, etc...?
You shouldn't need to do anything else special beyond changing the icon. Just set brightness/contrast/color/temp as you would for any other input. Most of the esoteric options will be grayed out in PC mode anyway.
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^^^wow that's surprising, although I must admit I haven't seen that flick in years...if you haven't seen it...the first minutes or so are pretty intense, and if you have a good sound system you'll get a good workout from that as well!
yeah, I can still remember the full-rate dts 5.1 track on the original DVD having some of the best sound I'd ever heard from a DVD

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^^^oh yeah the pin drops of water, and the artillery...that was my first foray into surround sound at home😁
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Pc mode locks you to 4:4:4 color chroma at all times. This is a the major difference between game mode and pc mode.



Game mode is designed for gaming consoles. Consoles are designed by default to output at 4:2:0 to match a televions default range. Since TVs are primarily for movie and televions programs a compressed color subspace is always the default supported range no matter what.



Pc mode is designed for a uncompressed color subspace (4:4:4). is a necessity for computer since it is their native output. Without uncompressed color subspace and low latency supported at the same time it’s a double whammy of picture replication and mouse control issues for using TVs as computer monitors.


PC mode has issues with HDR displaying properly though. For SDR it’s fine.

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No. Playing SDR games in PC mode (your 2nd bullet point) is fine. There's nothing "wrong" with 4:4:4, it's just too much data when you get into 4K/HDR territory. And it will be a pain if you do any HDR gaming on the same device because you'll have to go into the inputs screen to toggle PC mode off when you play HDR.



And I don't find the whole locked-wide-gamut thing to be a big deal. Test it out yourself before deciding it's a problem that needs solving. I use Game Mode for both SDR and HDR with my PS4 and it looks fine to me. Not worth screwing around with PC mode.


I also use game mode on this tv for gaming with my pc. Like you I don’t find it to be a real issue.

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Game Consoles always output RGB in SDR mode, so its always be 444 chroma, the downsampling comes from the TV.


The ps4 Pro lets you force yuv if you set it to do so.

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1080p 60Hz 4:4:4 HDR from a PC should be totally fine, though, right? Or if I shift my PC over to outputting 4:2:0 before switching into HDR Mode. And correspondingly, 4K 120Hz 4:4:4 SDR would be too much data.



I'll be dropping an HDMI cable down from my office into the living room in the next month or so. Hoping to get all the info straightened out beforehand. Thanks for the help.


I believe I read that the tv locks itself to 4:4:4 in pc mode. I think it should work at 1080p but I don’t know as I haven’t tried.

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yeah, I can still remember the full-rate dts 5.1 track on the original DVD having some of the best sound I'd ever heard from a DVD
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^^^oh yeah the pin drops of water, and the artillery...that was my first foray into surround sound at home😁
That movie is a great workout for my surrounds! I'm ordering the UHD Blu-ray now. Got a $100 Zon gift card for my B-Day. Then next fall it's 2001.
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I'm having some problems with the inputs on my B7. I have a Denon receiver hooked up to the TV. Behind the Denon, I have a Directv box, a chromecast, and a Roku on different HDMI ports of the Denon.

If I push the "inputs" button on the tv remote, on the right of the screen it shows the Denon, with the chromecast and a roku behind it / attached to it. But it doesn't show the directv box.

Why would it show 2 of the devices connected to the Denon, but not the Directv box? I can use the LG remove to select either the chromecast or the roku, and it will change the input on the Denon to the correct HDMI port. But the LG doesn't think the directv exists.

Also, it currently has this terrible property that whenever I turn on the TV, the TV helpfully sets the receiver's input to what it thinks I was watching last - either the chromecast or the roku. Even though 99% of the time I'm watching directv. So, even if I use my logitech, which tries to set the input on the denon appropriate for the directv, the LG will then re-set it to one of the ones that I don't want.

Does this make any sense?

Also - apologies if this was addressed on some of the previous 900 pages of this post that I haven't been able to read...

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Does this make any sense?
Yes. Welcome to CEC Hell, where every manufacturer takes a technology that's supposed to improve consumers' experience and then improves/tweaks/ignores various parts of it until none of the devices can talk to one another anymore. Getting more than 1 device besides the TV working together is a total crapshoot. Cable boxes seem especially poorly behaved. Since you have a Harmony already, the best bet is to completely disable CEC on every device you can and let the Harmony do all the coordination.
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So something bizarrely good happened. My set just suddenly got noticeably brighter. I'm almost at 600 hours. Did anyone else experience this, or are my eyes deceiving me?

I watch and use this at least 3-5 times a week, so it's not as though my eyes had to readjust after a week of nonuse.

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Hey all,

Im new here and just bought an LG C7V 55inch model this weekend

This is what the banding looks like (see attached)

Ive maybe only had the TV on for about 15 hours by this point. Is this a particularly bad panel and worth returning for another? Also, is it likely that this will get better? I was able to notice it slightly in Westworld on Sky last night but thats it.

Cheers
Don't worry so much about how banding looks on slides no matter how fun it is. If anything, banding gets worse in motion but what looks like a good screen on slides might actually be horrible with content and vice versa.

I returned my first B7 for terrible visible banding in content and my replacement was night and day better. I can see some bands on slides but nothing in content.

If you want to see what content can bring it out, here is the torture test. Proceed at your own risk, these represent the worst of the worst:
  • Marco Polo S1E3 14-16 minutes
  • Blade Runner 2049 - The whole movie
  • Arrival 4:00 18:48 26:40 1:45:25
  • The Martian 1:26
  • Prometheus 34:11
  • Passengers 41:35
  • Interstellar 1:48
  • Zero Dark Thirty 5 minute raid scene starting at 2:00:00
  • Star Trek Beyond 0:11:30 - 0:12:30
  • Oblivion 50:00
  • The OA S01E01 10:30
  • Mindhunters S01E08 47:15
  • Hold input button on remote, lines on the loading screen
  • Xbox Settings Menu
  • Amazon Loading screen
I just got a 65B7A, and the banding is very visible during the Marco Polo and The OA scenes above. It's particularly bad in the Marco Polo scene as it's obvious for the whole 2+ minutes.

Not having another OLED to compare to, I'm not sure what's acceptable banding and what's egregious. I've only used the TV for ~5 hours (is there a way to check?). What are the chances that it will improve after a pixel refresh or two?

How did you go about exchanging your set?
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Yes. Welcome to CEC Hell, where every manufacturer takes a technology that's supposed to improve consumers' experience and then improves/tweaks/ignores various parts of it until none of the devices can talk to one another anymore. Getting more than 1 device besides the TV working together is a total crapshoot. Cable boxes seem especially poorly behaved. Since you have a Harmony already, the best bet is to completely disable CEC on every device you can and let the Harmony do all the coordination.
Thanks for the reply!

So am I disabling CEC on the receiver? Or the chromecast / roku somehow? (Or the TV?)

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So am I disabling CEC on the receiver? Or the chromecast / roku somehow? (Or the TV?)
You'll have to experiment. Probably a lot. But if nothing else works, just disable CEC on every device that lets you disable it. TV, receiver, streamers, spinners, whatever. Then set up the Harmony to do all the work.
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Well said! LOL !

That's what's great about having a panel calibrated by one of the best! The settings are set... and now I forget about them!

I was even told "I can assure you that your TV is performing like a studio mastering monitor!" by a 3rd party not involved in the calibration... (You know who you are) So yeah...

I used to obsess about things, it's much more relaxing to enjoy them for what they are, calibrated or not
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There's nothing better than the 37-page PDF for the C7, which I think is what you're already looking at. The TV's settings are poorly documented. Fortunately, most of them don't need much tweaking.
Thanks, Tppytel. Yes, that's what I was referring to. The addendum for the remote control encoding looks useful, but otherwise the minimal information in the User's Manual is so basic, it's almost ridiculous to label it as a User's Manual.

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Thanks for the reference Sonoftumble. But, I've seen it and it is really so very basic, that LG might as well not have bothered. This is my first LG, but I imagine that not in the too distant past, these TVs must have been accompanied by some very thorough operational manuals; if not actually printed and included with the unit, then, at least, available in a comprehensive PDF download. Although these TV's may be the very top-of-the-line available presently (waiting for Samsung's QLED tech to catch-up or overtake), LG's documentation for users SUCKS!

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You shouldn't need to do anything else special beyond changing the icon. Just set brightness/contrast/color/temp as you would for any other input. Most of the esoteric options will be grayed out in PC mode anyway.
I mean, it was terrible looking when I just did that. The defaults were on APS mode with the presets all over the place (so yes I changed those).

Changed it to Technicolor, adjusted sharpness, messed with OLED brightness and now it is looking better. Is that a bad idea for PC mode? Am I supposed to leave it on default for PC mode?
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I'm having some problems with the inputs on my B7. I have a Denon receiver hooked up to the TV. Behind the Denon, I have a Directv box, a chromecast, and a Roku on different HDMI ports of the Denon.

If I push the "inputs" button on the tv remote, on the right of the screen it shows the Denon, with the chromecast and a roku behind it / attached to it. But it doesn't show the directv box.

Why would it show 2 of the devices connected to the Denon, but not the Directv box? I can use the LG remove to select either the chromecast or the roku, and it will change the input on the Denon to the correct HDMI port. But the LG doesn't think the directv exists.

Also, it currently has this terrible property that whenever I turn on the TV, the TV helpfully sets the receiver's input to what it thinks I was watching last - either the chromecast or the roku. Even though 99% of the time I'm watching directv. So, even if I use my logitech, which tries to set the input on the denon appropriate for the directv, the LG will then re-set it to one of the ones that I don't want.

Does this make any sense?

Also - apologies if this was addressed on some of the previous 900 pages of this post that I haven't been able to read...

You've probably already checked this but confirm that CEC is set to on for the DirecTV box. Menu>Settings>Display>Video>HDMI Control>On
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Anyway, anybody of you upgraded to the 2018 series or are the differences really not worth paying 1.5-3 times the price for the 2018 series?
As far as I've read the difference is small and I don't need voice control.


How is the stuttering with normal cablebox TV? I know it's bad on OLED with 24p sources (I'm quite sensitive to it), but does it really show on normal everyday tv and Netflix from an external receiver?

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Try out this doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...doO4UvVCCXtgFw

Use the Technicolor setting for SDR and HDR10, and Cinema for DV and follow the advice in the Notes sections for each element.

Only things I’d change from that doc are, off the top of my head:

1. Motion control off is okay but user with the sliders at zero is pure 120hz without interpolation.
2. OLED light at 35 for SDR is okay but when I watch with light in the room I prefer 40 or even 45 with ambient light.



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Thanks, Tppytel. Yes, that's what I was referring to. The addendum for the remote control encoding looks useful, but otherwise the minimal information in the User's Manual is so basic, it's almost ridiculous to label it as a User's Manual.


Thanks for the reference Sonoftumble. But, I've seen it and it is really so very basic, that LG might as well not have bothered. This is my first LG, but I imagine that not in the too distant past, these TVs must have been accompanied by some very thorough operational manuals; if not actually printed and included with the unit, then, at least, available in a comprehensive PDF download. Although these TV's may be the very top-of-the-line available presently (waiting for Samsung's QLED tech to catch-up or overtake), LG's documentation for users SUCKS!

I, however, would agree, in going through the TV's setup, very little in the way of changes is needed and most items seem self-explanatory with the included onscreen text.

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Thanks to both of you for taking the time to answer my post.
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I used to obsess about things, it's much more relaxing to enjoy them for what they are, calibrated or not
I'm the same way... getting the TV calibrated wasn't an obsession by any means... I just figured after spending all that money what's a few hundred more for "perfection."

Same thing goes for the vertical banding. I know it's there... but haven't seen it during content. I've only seen it going on fishing expeditions while viewing the torture test scenes on programming I don't even watch... and only noticed it because I was looking for it. So... I let it go.

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Thank you - Someone finally stated what the manufactures actually recommend - center of the screen should be at eye level but WHATEVER MAKES YOU HAPPY
If you’ve never had a TV above a fireplace before, a couple things to keep in mind.

- Depending on how far you are from the screen, the back of your neck will hurt after watching a while.
- Check how warm it gets where the TV will be by leaving the fireplace on for a few hours. Electronics and heat don’t mix.
- Do you have the requisite connectors already built in to the fireplace? Otherwise you will need to cut holes or have ugly wires hanging down.

We originally had a non-OLED above our fireplace, but for these reasons we moved it to the side close to eye level.
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A very bizarre thing happened on my C7 the other night. I have an Oppo-203 UHD player running to a Denon X3400 AVR and the Denon running to HDMI1 on the C7. I had shut down the Oppo and then the Denon. When the AVR powered off, the C7's displayed a wild pattern on its screen with a 1" solid black vertical bar about 4 or 5 inches from the left edge. After my initial WTF reaction, I shut the TV off and then turned it back. The screen pattern and black bar were still there. Now I'm beginning to wonder if I need to call LG for service. Finally, I turned the Denon back on and the TV's screen reverted back to normal. I tested it several more times and everything appeared to be OK. I use relatively new Monoprice certified Premium cables so it's unlikely that they were the cause. Something obviously went haywire between the AVR and the TV and hopefully it was a one off, but it is a mystery.
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