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post #27811 of 36680 Old 05-10-2018, 05:52 PM
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Quick question regarding SDR sources (having nothing else atm) and the perfect settings. I've configured the recommended options from @sonoftumble and do see some differences between them and my old Sony KDL-55HX850.
The main point that I don't like, I seem to loose a lot of black details compared to my Sony. I've already raised the Brightness to 63 (the sweet spot for SDR when using my Xbox for calibration) and getting a tad closer to my Sony. It still seems that I loose details in the blacks on the LG compared to the Sony though
What are your recommendations in this case?
I don't think that I should increase the brightness to 70, right?
OLED Light is around 85, I like a bright picture.
Also I seem to lack a little red on the LG, compared to the Sony, might need to adjust that also a little higher.
I think you're confusing black detail for blacks that are grey when they should not be on the old TV. The OLED panels will show pure black, something no LCD can do. Most LCDs display blacks in levels of gray and not actual black. I think you are chasing something that you actually don't want. Anything on the OLED that is pure black is mastered that way and should not be grey. You're not losing detail I can safely say that. As for the red, I don't know without comparing and without a frame of reference. Maybe your Sony was pushing the reds hotter than it should, maybe not. What I'd do is try the technicolor preset on the OLED which is the most accurate preset they offer out of the box. Watch some content that way for a while, give it a few days. Keep in mind that the OLED will show pure blacks and you are seeing the black levels as they are supposed to be. My father has the Sony X850D and let me tell you it has very bad black levels, even for an LCD display. It has no local dimming control at all so the backlight bleeds into the picture all over the place where as the OLED can turn off individual pixels as needed, hence why you get perfect blacks.

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DirectTV connected to C7

Does anyone have their LG OLED connected directly to a DirecTV C-41? If so, how long does it take for a picture to appear when you turn on the OLED and the C-41?

Until recently it took 4-5 seconds for picture to appear after turning on my C7 and C-41 (connected to HR44). About a week ago things changed and it's now taking 20-25 seconds (sometimes longer) for a picture to appear after turning on. I get a black screen for that 20-25 seconds. I think the issue started up about a week ago, which coincided with a software update for the HR44 and C-41 (which included the horrific new GUI but don't think that has anything do with it). I have ruled out the HDMI cable and house wiring and have ruled out the particular C-41 (by trying a different one from another TV in its place). I think there is some issue going on with the HDCP handshake between the C-41 and HR44 and LG OLED. Just don't know if the issue is being introduced by the DTV software or a hardware issue with the LG C7 (hoping for it being a DTV software issue). Curious if others are experiencing this.
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I have put in various settings from various sources and wondered if when I pressed "Apply to all", what is all?

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All inputs (HDMI 1, HDMI 2, etc.), not all picture modes. It's just a shortcut to duplicate a tweaked picture mode across inputs.
I assume this shortcut only applies the same settings across all inputs for when "like kind" Dynamic Range source material is being played through the inputs, because from what I understand, one probably doesn't want the same settings for playing each of the various types of HDR source material as one wants (for instance) for playing SDR source material, and essentially all the inputs can be and frequently are used for playing different types of Dynamic Range source material. Is my assumption correct?
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Yes. SDR Technicolor Expert and HDR Technicolor Expert are completely separate picture modes. In general, there's no connection between SDR and HDR modes even if they share the same names. Functionally they're separate.
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DirectTV connected to C7

Does anyone have their LG OLED connected directly to a DirecTV C-41? If so, how long does it take for a picture to appear when you turn on the OLED and the C-41?

Until recently it took 4-5 seconds for picture to appear after turning on my C7 and C-41 (connected to HR44). About a week ago things changed and it's now taking 20-25 seconds (sometimes longer) for a picture to appear after turning on. I get a black screen for that 20-25 seconds. I think the issue started up about a week ago, which coincided with a software update for the HR44 and C-41 (which included the horrific new GUI but don't think that has anything do with it). I have ruled out the HDMI cable and house wiring and have ruled out the particular C-41 (by trying a different one from another TV in its place). I think there is some issue going on with the HDCP handshake between the C-41 and HR44 and LG OLED. Just don't know if the issue is being introduced by the DTV software or a hardware issue with the LG C7 (hoping for it being a DTV software issue). Curious if others are experiencing this.
With the latest DirecTV firmware update - which started rolling out about two weeks ago - the DirecTV 4K boxes are now pushing out a 13.35Gb throughput. It could be that all of your cables are marginal, and with these frequencies and bandwidth - it is taking much longer to sync the source to the display. HDCP may not be the problem.

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With the latest DirecTV firmware update - which started rolling out about two weeks ago - the DirecTV 4K boxes are now pushing out a 13.35Gb throughput. It could be that all of your cables are marginal, and with these frequencies and bandwidth - it is taking much longer to sync the source to the display. HDCP may not be the problem.
The C41 is an HD client box, not 4K.

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With the latest DirecTV firmware update - which started rolling out about two weeks ago - the DirecTV 4K boxes are now pushing out a 13.35Gb throughput. It could be that all of your cables are marginal, and with these frequencies and bandwidth - it is taking much longer to sync the source to the display. HDCP may not be the problem.
Thanks. I'll try dropping a temporary RG6 line from the C-41 to the splitter to see if taking out the existing line has an effect. Would the new software update cause that much throughput for a HR44 to C-41 since they're not 4K? Also, I connected a small LCD screen to the C-41 and after rebooting the C-41 the pic would come up on the small LCD screen is about 3-4 seconds. That makes me think it's something to do with the C7 in the mix but I can see your theory of the coax not being sufficient (too old???) to handle the data to make the handshake connection.
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Hi all - just rolled the dice and picked up a display 65c7p from BBY. Hopefully it’s not zapped from being on for a year but also bought the 5 year geek squad warranty. I’m a little nervous but fingers crossed.

Anyway - it does not have a stand and would like to avoid mounting for now. Is anyone who has theirs mounted willing to part with their stand? Thanks!
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Hi all - just rolled the dice and picked up a display 65c7p from BBY. Hopefully it’s not zapped from being on for a year but also bought the 5 year geek squad warranty. I’m a little nervous but fingers crossed.

Anyway - it does not have a stand and would like to avoid mounting for now. Is anyone who has theirs mounted willing to part with their stand? Thanks!
You can also pick up a generic stand of Amazon for $17 or so. Something like this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01N0VNIA9/
I have that on my 65" Vizio, and it works pretty well. You'll want your own tools to put it together, but I'm happy with the price and performance.

There's also an offset leg version for the same price that might be more stable as the LG's mounting holes are relatively close together.
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I can't imagine that I'm the first to have noticed, but firmware 04.70.90 is now available for download at the LG Korean site. https://www.lgservice.co.kr/search/d...=&twoCateCode= (I suggest using Chrome, and its translation feature.)

It is dated 5/11/2018.

The translation of the changelog isn't good, but it appears that this is supposed to be the last firmware update for the 2017 "Ultra HD" sets, which aren't the same as the OLEDs.

I won't try it before morning (on 5/11, EST) at the earliest.
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Wow that show the Expanse looks excellent on these, too bad it got cancelled...smh.
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So I have been reading about HDMI 2.1 and now I am thinking of holding off on buying a new TV until TV's with the new standard are readily available. Sounds like it will completely future proof the TV.
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I think you're confusing black detail for blacks that are grey when they should not be on the old TV. The OLED panels will show pure black, something no LCD can do. Most LCDs display blacks in levels of gray and not actual black. I think you are chasing something that you actually don't want. Anything on the OLED that is pure black is mastered that way and should not be grey. You're not losing detail I can safely say that. As for the red, I don't know without comparing and without a frame of reference. Maybe your Sony was pushing the reds hotter than it should, maybe not. What I'd do is try the technicolor preset on the OLED which is the most accurate preset they offer out of the box. Watch some content that way for a while, give it a few days. Keep in mind that the OLED will show pure blacks and you are seeing the black levels as they are supposed to be. My father has the Sony X850D and let me tell you it has very bad black levels, even for an LCD display. It has no local dimming control at all so the backlight bleeds into the picture all over the place where as the OLED can turn off individual pixels as needed, hence why you get perfect blacks.
Thanks for your input.
Let me try to explain that a little better. Let's take a scene with a face, which is halfway shadowed. It's a dark shadow. On the Sony I can make out facial features in that shadow, while on the LG it's just black and I don't see any features. Maybe that's the way it's supposed to be, but I don't really prefer it
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Thanks for your input.
Let me try to explain that a little better. Let's take a scene with a face, which is halfway shadowed. It's a dark shadow. On the Sony I can make out facial features in that shadow, while on the LG it's just black and I don't see any features. Maybe that's the way it's supposed to be, but I don't really prefer it
I think the issue is, as previously stated, that your brightness is WAY too high. Turn up your OLED Light level to make the picture "brighter" - it only affects luminance. The brightness setting will directly and negatively affect your picture quality.

If that doesn't help, you may be in just a ludicrously bright room and may want to try out some shades or something of the sort.
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Wow that show the Expanse looks excellent on these, too bad it got cancelled...smh.
Well, that's disappointing to hear. I rather enjoyed seasons 1 & 2.

But it was an obvious choice, seeing as the show was beloved by critics and viewers alike. It really puts the Y in SyFy.
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So I have been reading about HDMI 2.1 and now I am thinking of holding off on buying a new TV until TV's with the new standard are readily available. Sounds like it will completely future proof the TV.
Don't worry, the R&D engineers are very good. I'm sure they'll come up with something that will make all of us want to upgrade again in two years. 😉

I will say that the B7A I just got looks amazing (vertical banding aside), and is a huge upgrade over my 2-year-old LCD. Adaptive Sync is the main feature I wish it had, but getting that in an OLED at this price point would have meant waiting another two years. Even if I feel the need to upgrade to an HDMI 2.1 OLED in 2-3 years time, I think the 2-3 years of awesome picture quality will be well worth it.

The worst part about my new B7A is that it makes my 2-year-old LCD look like crap by comparison. Watching the LCD now feels like stepping a decade into the past. I'll have to see about replacing it next year, when the HDMI 2.1 sets are out.
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So I have been reading about HDMI 2.1 and now I am thinking of holding off on buying a new TV until TV's with the new standard are readily available. Sounds like it will completely future proof the TV.


That is until HDMI 2.1(a) comes out or whatever is planned next. Stop thinking of future proofing and think more of what will suit your needs in the now and next couple of years. There is always going to be something your don’t have that the new TVs do have. There is no such thing as a TV that is “set” for 5 years anymore (tech wise). You’ll be behind the curve as soon as the next years models come out.
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Does anyone have their LG OLED connected directly to a DirecTV C-41? If so, how long does it take for a picture to appear when you turn on the OLED and the C-41?

Until recently it took 4-5 seconds for picture to appear after turning on my C7 and C-41 (connected to HR44). About a week ago things changed and it's now taking 20-25 seconds (sometimes longer) for a picture to appear after turning on. I get a black screen for that 20-25 seconds. I think the issue started up about a week ago, which coincided with a software update for the HR44 and C-41 (which included the horrific new GUI but don't think that has anything do with it). I have ruled out the HDMI cable and house wiring and have ruled out the particular C-41 (by trying a different one from another TV in its place). I think there is some issue going on with the HDCP handshake between the C-41 and HR44 and LG OLED. Just don't know if the issue is being introduced by the DTV software or a hardware issue with the LG C7 (hoping for it being a DTV software issue). Curious if others are experiencing this.
Just a thought.... I Don't have DTV any longer, yet i recall when i did a long delay when the resolution was set on the box to native. Un-ticking that option sped things up.. Again this may have nothing to do with your issue, it was just something I experienced in the past. Good luck.

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That is until HDMI 2.1(a) comes out or whatever is planned next. Stop thinking of future proofing and think more of what will suit your needs in the now and next couple of years. There is always going to be something your don’t have that the new TVs do have. There is no such thing as a TV that is “set” for 5 years anymore (tech wise). You’ll be behind the curve as soon as the next years models come out.
Agreed. If anything has been understood in this field, there is no such thing as future proofing. There will always be something better right around the corner. Live life to the fullest today as no one is promised a tomorrow.

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Quick question regarding SDR sources (having nothing else atm) and the perfect settings. I've configured the recommended options from @sonoftumble and do see some differences between them and my old Sony KDL-55HX850.
The main point that I don't like, I seem to loose a lot of black details compared to my Sony. I've already raised the Brightness to 63 (the sweet spot for SDR when using my Xbox for calibration) and getting a tad closer to my Sony. It still seems that I loose details in the blacks on the LG compared to the Sony though
What are your recommendations in this case?
I don't think that I should increase the brightness to 70, right?
OLED Light is around 85, I like a bright picture.
Also I seem to lack a little red on the LG, compared to the Sony, might need to adjust that also a little higher.
63? 63?!

Please. No.

I can assure you that 63 is NOT the sweet spot for brightness.
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That is until HDMI 2.1(a) comes out or whatever is planned next. Stop thinking of future proofing and think more of what will suit your needs in the now and next couple of years. There is always going to be something your don’t have that the new TVs do have. There is no such thing as a TV that is “set” for 5 years anymore (tech wise). You’ll be behind the curve as soon as the next years models come out.
I agree 100%. Always something cheaper and better coming, always......

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A few guys I have spoke with has said.....years away.....not just a year.....Guess your in for a long wait for a new set.....
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63? 63?!

Please. No.

I can assure you that 63 is NOT the sweet spot for brightness.
But you can save all that money on calibration!!!

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That is until HDMI 2.1(a) comes out or whatever is planned next. Stop thinking of future proofing and think more of what will suit your needs in the now and next couple of years. There is always going to be something your don’t have that the new TVs do have. There is no such thing as a TV that is “set” for 5 years anymore (tech wise). You’ll be behind the curve as soon as the next years models come out.
And speaking of "behind the curve", ironically, "curve" is a word that helps prove the point... as "curved" TV sets both arrived as "the thing" and then disappeared, all within 5 years...
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But you can save all that money on calibration!!!
Haha so true!

New 2018 SDR Calibration:

Brightness: 63 (74 in bright room)
TV: ON (OFF for inky blacks)

Done!
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