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@Freeze Time your gonna get differing opinions...but if I were to show it off...i would play Pacific Rim, Any John Wick movie, The Martian...heck even T2.
Thumbs up for Pacific Rim. I rented Pacific Rim on 4k Blu-Ray, last week. The night time scenes really show off the blacks. The fluorescent lights on the interior shots are almost blinding though.
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What does everyone recommend for showing off what my LG55B7a can do? I am getting it on Tuesday so what content should I check out and show my roommate to prove it's clearly the best picture out there? Does it come with preinstalled software? Planet Earth 2 looks amazing on Netflix with my Vizion M55-C2 and that's not even HDR. What are some of your favs? The only 4K movie I own is Days of Future Past and that's just upscaled and it honestly doesn't look that much different from 1080p IMO playing from an Xbox One S.
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Yeah that I do agree with. Why Netflix added all that dam grain just annoys me. The HDR is still amazing though despite the dumb drain.
Oh Saving Private Ryan is pretty amazing too. That's a wow picture.
This coming week the Jurassic Park 4 movie 4K set comes out. Man the original Jurassic Park in HDR is gonna be great! So great I took off Friday just to check it out. Ha ha.

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What does everyone recommend for showing off what my LG55B7a can do?
My favourite short clip is the http://4kmedia.org/lg-chess-hdr-demo/. Download it to a USB an play from there.
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Finally got my new gear set up, and since we are going to see Deadpool 2 tomorrow the wife wanted to watching the first one again tonight. So that was our first content on the new B7. It was just an upscaled blu ray, but the detail looked fine and I can really tell the blacks are stunning. I had almost no time to set anything up however, and I found that there were a lot of crushed blacks and overall it did seem a bit dim for most of the non outdoor scenes in the movie. The outdoor scenes were plenty bright though. (Watched on the cinema preset with the OLED light turned down a ways.)

I have the break in slides running now. No tint on the white screen and so far everything looks solid. Didn't notice any banding in the movie either.

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Hi guys,

I own a Hisense M7000 55" and now that the B7 is lower in price, I'm tempted in buying one.
I gotta say that the Hisense is a great TV. Great black levels and colors.

I don't watch 4k content at the moment as the internet here in AU sucks but watching full hd and hd on Netflix looks great on the Hisense.

So, I'm wondering whether it's worth it in your opinion get a B7 now. Am I going to notice a huge difference in quality?

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What is the purpose of Quick Start? If I turn it off, I want to know what I am losing?
Quick start on allows the WiFi to operate for low level system functions while the screen is powered off. This primarily means the tv will be able to check for updates and prepare the tv in advance while the tv is off instead of running processes in the background and potentially slowing down your set while you are using it. It also allows for certain things to stay cached in system memory. Frequently used Apps will generally be a little more responsive after turning the set from off to on as a result.

With it off the WiFi modul turns off entirely and no low level system functionality can be preformed once the tv fully enters its powered down state. the tv will only run app, firmware checks and preparations for them when turned back on. It also clears all cache in the system memory.

It’s essentially a rest mode function much like a pc or gaming console has.
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My favourite short clip is the http://4kmedia.org/lg-chess-hdr-demo/. Download it to a USB an play from there.

I did thanks. There are other demos on that site too I will check out. My roommate has a 65 inch Samsung 4K HDR set so I need content that can only pop on OLED like the demos I was seeing at CES. Basically, stuff that looks better than anything my roommates TV can display.
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@WilliamG That's why I said it's an opinion. My set is in a light controlled environment, I can easily tell from any angle that the stain is not their. This is not to say that their is not a shift in hue, but again no stain.
No stain here also.
I do see that banding in The Revenant though but it doesn't spoil my enjoyment although if I was seeing it in all movies, which I am not, then it would upset me.

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So is the banding that bad or not? I'm on the fence whether I should upgrade from my Hisense or not.
A solid opinion would help.
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What does everyone recommend for showing off what my LG55B7a can do? I am getting it on Tuesday so what content should I check out and show my roommate to prove it's clearly the best picture out there? Does it come with preinstalled software? Planet Earth 2 looks amazing on Netflix with my Vizion M55-C2 and that's not even HDR. What are some of your favs? The only 4K movie I own is Days of Future Past and that's just upscaled and it honestly doesn't look that much different from 1080p IMO playing from an Xbox One S.
The Blue Planet 2 has some stunning stuff from deep blacks to incredible colours. I would recommend Disc 1, Episode 3, Coral Reefs.

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So is the banding that bad or not? I'm on the fence whether I should upgrade from my Hisense or not.
A solid opinion would help.
I owned the Hisense and in my opinion it's not in the same league as these OLEDs.
Some people report seeing banding but I have only ever seen it a couple of times and I have had my TV for 10 months. And I do mean just a couple of times - One scene in The Revenant and I forget the other. It was quite fleeting and did not impact on my enjoyment.
One tip, don't go looking for it , just enjoy the set and you probably will not notice any worrying amounts of banding.

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I owned the Hisense and in my opinion it's not in the same league as these OLEDs.
Some people report seeing banding but I have only ever seen it a couple of times and I have had my TV for 10 months. And I do mean just a couple of times - One scene in The Revenant and I forget the other. It was quite fleeting and did not impact on my enjoyment.
One tip, don't go looking for it , just enjoy the set and you probably will not notice any worrying amounts of banding.
Thanks for your reply. Appreciate.

So you wouldn't notice in dark scenes (not black) in most of the times. Even on HD content (Netflix etc...)?

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Thanks for your reply. Appreciate.

So you wouldn't notice in dark scenes (not black) in most of the times. Even on HD content (Netflix etc...)?

Cheers mate
I'm sorry but I'm unable to comment on streaming because I view all disc and also use a home theater PC . Once I've watched the BluRay I will then rip it to my hard drive. I do this for convenience and means I can simply plug the hard drive into another TV and don't have to have two players or cart one around. Also there is no changing of discs.
To be honest though I seldom watch any other TV, the OLED is just a class above.
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Thanks for your reply. Appreciate.

So you wouldn't notice in dark scenes (not black) in most of the times. Even on HD content (Netflix etc...)?

Cheers mate
Sorry, I should have said that I watch some HD discs and also some 720 stuff and banding is not a problem for me, I don't see any other than what I mentioned.
I do think that I was lucky in the panel lottery because my screen is very uniform when playing a single colour, even the greys. Some others have not been so lucky and report seeing problems with uniformity. I think the majority of these say that they only see it in slides and not with real content.

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I will check out the apps on the TV and some of the movies mentioned. Thanks. I will see if the added HDR and OLED make watching the Netflix Marvel stuff worth it in 4K. Oh and same with Master Of None. F***in grain galore!! Why Netflix? Why??!!!


To make it appear gritty I guess. I don’t mind film grain when the movie or show was shot on actual film cameras but to add it artificially in heavy doses bothers me. Punisher I think is the least offensive of the marvel shows in that regard.

If you want to see stunning hdr with a razer sharp picture, check out The Tick on Amazon Prime. Actually most of Amazon’s original series have really awesome picture quality.

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I hate grain for a lot of reasons but the biggest is people in general don't know what film grain is so when you have people over to watch your shiny new 4K HDR TV and it's grainy they think you just wasted your money. They will think"this picture isn't that good", a lot of noise on the screen. Besides that I really hate it myself. I don't understand it. Even on Saving Private Ryan I hate it. They'll say to set the mood because the movie takes place in the 40s. But it's not the 40s and it's shot on the best equipment in the world, the best cameras in the world so they deliberately mess the picture up. It makes no sense to me at all, sorry.

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Alrighty - how many of you out there have The Revenant in UHD, and have watched it on your LG 2017?



For me, the banding is pretty unacceptable in a few places, and using the same UHD player (Oppo 203) on my JVC DLA-RS540 projector - there's no banding at all.



The scene is at 1 minute 50 seconds in as it fades to black, and no settings seem to address this. Anyone have any ideas, or is this a limitation of the LG?



(Please ignore the light reflections from my shades)



This is essentially exactly what I see on the LG OLED.





Will need to check tonight, but don’t recall noticing on the Xbox One X as a player.

I’ve watched that intro a few times but also not super anal about banding I guess.


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Thanks for your reply. Appreciate.

So you wouldn't notice in dark scenes (not black) in most of the times. Even on HD content (Netflix etc...)?

Cheers mate
Unless you have a really really really bad panel, no you will not notice it. With compressed streamed stuff you can't say for sure if it's from compression or if it's because you have a bad panel anyway.
In any case, all professional reviews say it's no issue at all for normal content, unless your normal content is 5-10% uniform gray images
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I hate grain for a lot of reasons but the biggest is people in general don't know what film grain is so when you have people over to watch your shiny new 4K HDR TV and it's grainy they think you just wasted your money. They will think"this picture isn't that good", a lot of noise on the screen. Besides that I really hate it myself. I don't understand it. Even on Saving Private Ryan I hate it. They'll say to set the mood because the movie takes place in the 40s. But it's not the 40s and it's shot on the best equipment in the world, the best cameras in the world so they deliberately mess the picture up. It makes no sense to me at all, sorry.

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All film has grain. That’s how film works. Saving Private Ryan was shot on film as were most movies not made within the last few years. Even IMAX cameras have grain. The film stock itself can have varying amounts of grain so it can be more or less noticeable in the picture depending on that as well. Yes they used good cameras but they used film which always will show grain.
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All film has grain. That’s how film works. Saving Private Ryan was shot on film as were most movies not made within the last few years. Even IMAX cameras have grain. The film stock itself can have varying amounts of grain so it can be more or less noticeable in the picture depending on that as well. Yes they used good cameras but they used film which always will show grain.
Netflix adds grain and I hate grain. Most people hate grain for good reason. I know the purists will say what you just said but I hate grain. Also if I'm not mistaken Spielberg added grain to SPR.

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I hate grain for a lot of reasons but the biggest is people in general don't know what film grain is so when you have people over to watch your shiny new 4K HDR TV and it's grainy they think you just wasted your money. They will think"this picture isn't that good", a lot of noise on the screen. Besides that I really hate it myself. I don't understand it. Even on Saving Private Ryan I hate it. They'll say to set the mood because the movie takes place in the 40s. But it's not the 40s and it's shot on the best equipment in the world, the best cameras in the world so they deliberately mess the picture up. It makes no sense to me at all, sorry.

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So I finally gave in and sold my Samsung 60F8500 plasma and went OLED. I got an awesome deal for the 55B7A at Best Buy and they even accepted a 10% OFF coupon they emailed me. I got the smaller one for my bedroom to try it out and see if I like it. It will be primarily used for gaming on my Xbox One X and some Cable and Netflix every now and then. Played some Planet Earth II on Netflix (upgraded to the 4K plan) and the set looks awesome! I'm thinking about purchasing a 65C7P for my living room now lol.

I do have some questions though regarding the Xbox One X settings. It recognized the TV was 4K and switched over just fine but the Xbox shows that HDR is not supported by my TV in the Xbox Settings. I made sure the HDR was set to on through the TV settings and I used rtings.com calibration settings. I also tried some GAME mode settings as well but neither has the HDR enabled through the Xbox settings. I have the TV hooked up to my Denon X1400H receiver and all my HDMI cables are from Monoprice (4K @ 60Hz, HDR, 18Gbps, 28AWG, YUV 4:4:4). The reason I bought the Denon receiver was because their website states it supports HDR (HLG / Dolby Vision) on all their inputs. What am I doing wrong?

Also, for any gamers on here I have one thing that really bothers me and I don't know if it's a setting I can change or just something inherent in HDR or OLED's in general... I play Destiny 2 and I fired it up to just test everything out. Looks great, no lag, etc. However, I noticed something strange when running around The Tower (social space/area). Anything that was lit by the sky looked awesome and really bright, however anything in the shadows looked really really dark with no detail. When I would walk between the shadow area to the lit area it looks like the TV dynamically adjusts to the light/darkness. So the really really dark areas suddenly look more visible with more detail, it's hard to explain. Basically, when in a lit area looking into the dark area it's super dark and no detail... walking INTO the dark area I can notice the TV dynamically change and suddenly the there's detail and not as dark while standing in the dark areas. So I played some Crucible (what they call PvP) and luckily got a dark map to test it out... it was really unplayable because it kept changing brightness depending how dark the area of the map I was playing in was. I died a few times due to not being able to properly see when it would suddenly get really dark. Can anyone help me understand why this TV does this and if I can do anything to prevent it from happening?

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I did thanks. There are other demos on that site too I will check out. My roommate has a 65 inch Samsung 4K HDR set so I need content that can only pop on OLED like the demos I was seeing at CES. Basically, stuff that looks better than anything my roommates TV can display.
A copy of the demo loop that Costco uses should do the trick, but I've no clue about actually being able to get one.
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I hate grain for a lot of reasons but the biggest is people in general don't know what film grain is so when you have people over to watch your shiny new 4K HDR TV and it's grainy they think you just wasted your money. They will think"this picture isn't that good", a lot of noise on the screen. Besides that I really hate it myself. I don't understand it. Even on Saving Private Ryan I hate it. They'll say to set the mood because the movie takes place in the 40s. But it's not the 40s and it's shot on the best equipment in the world, the best cameras in the world so they deliberately mess the picture up. It makes no sense to me at all, sorry.

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All film has grain. That’s how film works. Saving Private Ryan was shot on film as were most movies not made within the last few years. Even IMAX cameras have grain. The film stock itself can have varying amounts of grain so it can be more or less noticeable in the picture depending on that as well. Yes they used good cameras but they used film which always will show grain.
I am also not a big fan of grain, although it know it is inescapable when the original source is film based. My gripe with "Private Ryan" - ( and "Close Encounters" - another Speilberg classic ) - is that it is overly grainy and artificial looking - like it was given the "Marvel" treatment. By comparison, "Braveheart" - which was released three years before "Ryan" - looks like film based content should look. There is a slight hint of grain, but IMO it looks normal and glitter free. If you have both UHD titles, do a serious comparison and see if you don't agree. Obviously both productions used the finest equipment available.

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Will need to check tonight, but don’t recall noticing on the Xbox One X as a player.

I’ve watched that intro a few times but also not super anal about banding I guess.


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So I finally gave in and sold my Samsung 60F8500 plasma and went OLED. I got an awesome deal for the 55B7A at Best Buy and they even accepted a 10% OFF coupon they emailed me. I got the smaller one for my bedroom to try it out and see if I like it. It will be primarily used for gaming on my Xbox One X and some Cable and Netflix every now and then. Played some Planet Earth II on Netflix (upgraded to the 4K plan) and the set looks awesome! I'm thinking about purchasing a 65C7P for my living room now lol.

I do have some questions though regarding the Xbox One X settings. It recognized the TV was 4K and switched over just fine but the Xbox shows that HDR is not supported by my TV in the Xbox Settings. I made sure the HDR was set to on through the TV settings and I used rtings.com calibration settings. I also tried some GAME mode settings as well but neither has the HDR enabled through the Xbox settings. I have the TV hooked up to my Denon X1400H receiver and all my HDMI cables are from Monoprice (4K @ 60Hz, HDR, 18Gbps, 28AWG, YUV 4:4:4). The reason I bought the Denon receiver was because their website states it supports HDR (HLG / Dolby Vision) on all their inputs. What am I doing wrong?

Also, for any gamers on here I have one thing that really bothers me and I don't know if it's a setting I can change or just something inherent in HDR or OLED's in general... I play Destiny 2 and I fired it up to just test everything out. Looks great, no lag, etc. However, I noticed something strange when running around The Tower (social space/area). Anything that was lit by the sky looked awesome and really bright, however anything in the shadows looked really really dark with no detail. When I would walk between the shadow area to the lit area it looks like the TV dynamically adjusts to the light/darkness. So the really really dark areas suddenly look more visible with more detail, it's hard to explain. Basically, when in a lit area looking into the dark area it's super dark and no detail... walking INTO the dark area I can notice the TV dynamically change and suddenly the there's detail and not as dark while standing in the dark areas. So I played some Crucible (what they call PvP) and luckily got a dark map to test it out... it was really unplayable because it kept changing brightness depending how dark the area of the map I was playing in was. I died a few times due to not being able to properly see when it would suddenly get really dark. Can anyone help me understand why this TV does this and if I can do anything to prevent it from happening?
If the game has no lighting model that is trying to simulate eye light adjust you are most likely noticing the sets ABL kicking during these type of dark/light to light/dark transitions.

I do not play destiny so I cannot comment on if this is baked into the game or happening as a result of ABL on the tv itself.
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@WilliamG That's why I said it's an opinion. My set is in a light controlled environment, I can easily tell from any angle that the stain is not their. This is not to say that their is not a shift in hue, but again no stain.
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Well it's not "meaningless." But that's fine. My neighbor doesn't see it, either. Just the way it is. Any time someone asks about yellow on the sides, I'm going to ask if it changes on viewing angle, because that's the only circumstance under which I've ever seen it on any LG OLED.

Also, my best friend over in the UK complains about it often - since I mentioned it to him he can't UNSEE it on his 65B7. Oops.
I see my stain on the left side on white backgrounds. It depends where I sit. When I go to the right it disappears. I also have seen it in every 2017 model. I have a 2016 also and it doesn't have the "staining". I think people complained about the pinkish coating on the 2016 models and LG changed it. I didn't mind the pinkish tint on the 2016 model because I only saw it with light shining directly on it with the TV off.
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