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It will likely be cheaper to get the new C8 than buy the C7 and 2 missing parts.
It's actually quite an extreme discount around 1300 for a 65'. I was thinking if a stand is about 100 and the remote looks to be 75 that might be worth it. I've read buying OLED open box might be a bit risky though due to burn in.
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Hi, like many, I recently bought an lg tv for hdr gaming and noticed HDR game mode was very dim with no fix in sight for the foreseeable future. I have an lg b7.

I set the tv to PC mode, by going into the "all inputs" and setting "EDIT ICON" to "PC". This allows you to have low input lag of game mode and the high brightness of standard mode, but it introduces a horrible color desaturation and yellowish tint. Lets work on fixing that with the settings below. Try them out and let me know what you think. I think they look great for HDR and SD content.

FOR PC MODE ONLY:

HDR SETTINGS:
HDR Picture mode: Standard
OLED LIGHT: 100
CONTRAST: 100
BRIGHTNESS: 50
SHARPNESS: 15
COLOR: 67 (re-saturates colors)
TINT: R20 (Fixes yellowish tint)
COLOR TEMPERATURE: W45

SDR SETTINGS:
Picture mode: Standard
OLED LIGHT: 80
CONTRAST: 100
BRIGHTNESS: 50
SHARPNESS: 15
COLOR: 50
TINT: 0
COLOR TEMPERATURE: W45

Feel free to change things like OLED light if its too bright and strains your eyes, Color, and color temperature.
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It's actually quite an extreme discount around 1300 for a 65'. I was thinking if a stand is about 100 and the remote looks to be 75 that might be worth it. I've read buying OLED open box might be a bit risky though due to burn in.
What are the hours? Wallmounting an option? Personally I would go for a new in box B7A which wouldn't be much more, after price matching.
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Hi everyone between the Sony x700 or the LG UBK90 or LG UP970 - which is the best 4K Blu ray player with Dolby Vision for our LG OLED?
Sony x700 seems to be the go to unit for now. Might want to look at the Panasonic DMP-UB900 as well......
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It's actually quite an extreme discount around 1300 for a 65'. I was thinking if a stand is about 100 and the remote looks to be 75 that might be worth it. I've read buying OLED open box might be a bit risky though due to burn in.


There are full stands that you can buy and mount the tv directly to the stand similar to how you would mount it to the wall and they also sell just the mounting part that the TV would mount to and then sit on top of another stand which I believe someone shared a link to in this thread in last few days which would work and prob be cheaper than buying a replacement LG stand.

I’m sure you can get a remote on eBay if you absolutely need one but a Harmony remote works just fine.


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Hi everyone between the Sony x700 or the LG UBK90 or LG UP970 - which is the best 4K Blu ray player with Dolby Vision for our LG OLED?


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I have both the Sony x700 and the LG 970. Full disclosure - I have the Sony connected to my Optoma 4k HDR projector and the LG 970 connected to my LG OLED so I have never tried DV on the Sony since my projector does not support DV. That said, if I had to choose to keep only 1 I would choose the Sony. The video quality appears to be the same but I really prefer the Sony UI and built in apps.

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Someone already seen this type of problem?
I recently noticed this DSE when displaying yellow, red and pink colors. The Tv show vertical darker lines and is very annoying.

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What are the hours? Wallmounting an option? Personally I would go for a new in box B7A which wouldn't be much more, after price matching.
Nah, wall-mounting isn't possible for me I'll do some research on the 65 B7A prices to see what they would be.

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There are full stands that you can buy and mount the tv directly to the stand similar to how you would mount it to the wall and they also sell just the mounting part that the TV would mount to and then sit on top of another stand which I believe someone shared a link to in this thread in last few days which would work and prob be cheaper than buying a replacement LG stand.

I’m sure you can get a remote on eBay if you absolutely need one but a Harmony remote works just fine.


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I saw some of those on Amazon, but wasn't sure if they actually work on not.. Sounds like they would! Yeah the replacement LG stands are more like 150-200 seemingly which seems steep.
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Finally - some new info on Technicolor's HDR format

CNET's Geoffrey Morrison has a nice summary and some possible timelines.

https://www.cnet.com/news/what-is-ad...y-technicolor/
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My set is only a week old. Any tips for color banding? I've been noticing it while streaming a lot. Also, should I do the Korean update?

Oh man. I've been going on about my color banding problem over the last week or so. Click back a couple of pages. You will see my posts complete with pictures. Long story short, the LG does a terrible job at CB. Sony has a built in doohicky to help get rid of or cut down the CB as much as possible. The 2018 LG's have something that makes the CB better but it's not as good as Sony. Basically, LG doesn't think it's a big issue and judging from the reactions to my posts about it, most users here don't care about it either. I'm sensitive to it while others either swear they can't see it or don't see why it's such a problem.
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Hi everyone between the Sony x700 or the LG UBK90 or LG UP970 - which is the best 4K Blu ray player with Dolby Vision for our LG OLED?


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I wanted to watch my 4ks in Dolby Vision so I got the UBK90 when it first came out after hearing about some problems with the UP970, and it appears all the problems were solved. Have only watched about 9 or 10 so far, but the 4ks and especially the Dolby Vision discs have looked and sounded terrific (previously used an Xbox X). The sound especially has been more consistent and noticeable since switching from the Xbox.



The HDR discs, that I had already watched, looked about the same, but now being able to watch the Dolby Vision discs has made it an obvious upgrade. Haven't tried the apps (because TV apps are better), and have yet to try the couple blu-rays I have. Everything else about the player has been stellar. Can't compare it to any players besides the Xbox, but unless you are looking for even better sound I think the UBK90 is good value.
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My set is only a week old. Any tips for color banding? I've been noticing it while streaming a lot. Also, should I do the Korean update?
Assuming you are using the Technicolor mode and most other stuff is default or off, and the OLED light is appropriate for your room, the banding is typically source dependent rather than being added by the tv — so yes most people see it in low bitrate or otherwise compromised source, and see it more often with lower quality sources (such as streaming, especially when adaptive rates dip low).
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Hey guys...First time post so go easy on me.

I purchased the LG B7A couple weeks ago and love it; however, im having difficulty figuring out which LG picture/calibration setting to use with Apple TV since I’ll be watching both SDR (YouTube tv) and HDR (Netflix) content.

I assume since my Apple TV is connect via HDMI that LG won’t automatically adjust picture setting based off SDR and HDR content if it’s coming from the same input.

Also, what default format setting should be used in Apple TV with matching content turned on? Currently have it set at 4K SDR-60, but should I enable Dolby vision instead? (matching dynamic is turned on)

Sorry for the ramble. Appreciate any help - thanks
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Hi, like many, I recently bought an lg tv for hdr gaming and noticed HDR game mode was very dim with no fix in sight for the foreseeable future. I have an lg b7.

I set the tv to PC mode, by going into the "all inputs" and setting "EDIT ICON" to "PC". This allows you to have low input lag of game mode and the high brightness of standard mode, but it introduces a horrible color desaturation and yellowish tint. Lets work on fixing that with the settings below. Try them out and let me know what you think. I think they look great for HDR and SD content.

FOR PC MODE ONLY:

HDR SETTINGS:
HDR Picture mode: Standard
OLED LIGHT: 100
CONTRAST: 100
BRIGHTNESS: 50
SHARPNESS: 15
COLOR: 67 (re-saturates colors)
TINT: R20 (Fixes yellowish tint)
COLOR TEMPERATURE: W45

SDR SETTINGS:
Picture mode: Standard
OLED LIGHT: 80
CONTRAST: 100
BRIGHTNESS: 50
SHARPNESS: 15
COLOR: 50
TINT: 0
COLOR TEMPERATURE: W45

Feel free to change things like OLED light if its too bright and strains your eyes, Color, and color temperature.
Not sure if you are simply discovering the difference between a normal sRGB whitepoint (temperature) and a typical PC display whitepoint (which is much more blue than yellow). In regards to image editing, a slight yellow tint is actually the correct color for white. Important, set the PC rgb mode to limited and set the LG black level to low. On the other hand, you might also configure both to Full/High, if the pc is directly attached to the LG (without any AVR in between).
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Hey guys...First time post so go easy on me.

I purchased the LG B7A couple weeks ago and love it; however, im having difficulty figuring out which LG picture/calibration setting to use with Apple TV since I’ll be watching both SDR (YouTube tv) and HDR (Netflix) content.

I assume since my Apple TV is connect via HDMI that LG won’t automatically adjust picture setting based off SDR and HDR content if it’s coming from the same input.

Also, what default format setting should be used in Apple TV with matching content turned on? Currently have it set at 4K SDR-60, but should I enable Dolby vision instead? (matching dynamic is turned on)

Sorry for the ramble. Appreciate any help - thanks

The LG will adjust the picture mode for the type of signal coming in. So, if you're playing 4K HDR, the picture mode you set while watching 4K HDR will kick in, etc. Thus, create a setting for SDR content (most folks like to use Technicolor expert and tweak it); create a setting for 4k DV (again Technicolor expert is preferred for this one); and create one for 4k HDR (for this one use Cinema (but not Cinema Home).

Set the Apple TV to Matching on for both options. I leave the Apple TV 4k in SDR-60 in the APTV setting as I feel the menus look best in this default.

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Don’t worry about it. Put it in Technicolor mode. Select gamma 2.2.

Then fire up a calibration disk that has a black level pattern, which is used for setting Brightness. Chances are good the pattern will be look correct at a setting of 50 to 52 but if the pattern indicates you should set Brightness around 60, don’t fret. There are a small number of panels where that is right.
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I have one of those panels where a high brightness figure is indicated - 61 to be precise.
I must say it troubled me initially but then I relaxed and went with it. However i am not sure if I should be changing the HDR/Dolby Vision values from their default 50. I wonder if you or anyone else has any thoughts on this and if I do need to , then what pattern should I use as the one I am using is not in HDR.

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CNET's Geoffrey Morrison has a nice summary and some possible timelines.

https://www.cnet.com/news/what-is-ad...y-technicolor/
sonoftumble, as usual your posts make a difference. This was great information, and much appreciated.
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It's actually quite an extreme discount around 1300 for a 65'. I was thinking if a stand is about 100 and the remote looks to be 75 that might be worth it. I've read buying OLED open box might be a bit risky though due to burn in.
I bet bunch of people here have stands they ain't using.
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The LG will adjust the picture mode for the type of signal coming in. So, if you're playing 4K HDR, the picture mode you set while watching 4K HDR will kick in, etc. Thus, create a setting for SDR content (most folks like to use Technicolor expert and tweak it); create a setting for 4k DV (again Technicolor expert is preferred for this one); and create one for 4k HDR (for this one use Cinema (but not Cinema Home).

Set the Apple TV to Matching on for both options. I leave the Apple TV 4k in SDR-60 in the APTV setting as I feel the menus look best in this default.

Good luck
+1 to the above comments. Just to add, click on "apply to all inputs" after you set each of the three settings (SDR, HDR, Dolby Vision) and you'll never have to touch it again unless you want to change something or do a factory reset.
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CNET's Geoffrey Morrison has a nice summary and some possible timelines.

https://www.cnet.com/news/what-is-ad...y-technicolor/
What are the purported advantages of SL-HDR2 versus Dolby Vision/HDR10+? @sonoftumble , any insight?
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Hi, like many, I recently bought an lg tv for hdr gaming and noticed HDR game mode was very dim with no fix in sight for the foreseeable future. I have an lg b7.

I set the tv to PC mode, by going into the "all inputs" and setting "EDIT ICON" to "PC". This allows you to have low input lag of game mode and the high brightness of standard mode, but it introduces a horrible color desaturation and yellowish tint. Lets work on fixing that with the settings below. Try them out and let me know what you think. I think they look great for HDR and SD content.

FOR PC MODE ONLY:

HDR SETTINGS:
HDR Picture mode: Standard
OLED LIGHT: 100
CONTRAST: 100
BRIGHTNESS: 50
SHARPNESS: 15
COLOR: 67 (re-saturates colors)
TINT: R20 (Fixes yellowish tint)
COLOR TEMPERATURE: W45

SDR SETTINGS:
Picture mode: Standard
OLED LIGHT: 80
CONTRAST: 100
BRIGHTNESS: 50
SHARPNESS: 15
COLOR: 50
TINT: 0
COLOR TEMPERATURE: W45

Feel free to change things like OLED light if its too bright and strains your eyes, Color, and color temperature.


Been discussed quite often. The dimmer picture is because the TV tone maps the entire range in HDR game mode which results in the dimmer picture but more visible detail. It’s a trade off.

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The LG will adjust the picture mode for the type of signal coming in. So, if you're playing 4K HDR, the picture mode you set while watching 4K HDR will kick in, etc. Thus, create a setting for SDR content (most folks like to use Technicolor expert and tweak it); create a setting for 4k DV (again Technicolor expert is preferred for this one); and create one for 4k HDR (for this one use Cinema (but not Cinema Home).

Set the Apple TV to Matching on for both options. I leave the Apple TV 4k in SDR-60 in the APTV setting as I feel the menus look best in this default.

Good luck
When watching 4k ultra HD on netflix, the picture settings still seem to stay on SDR mode (technicolor), but when watching netflix content on Dolby Vision, the settings switch to my picture Mode Cinema User mode. What am I missing?

Thanks
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When watching 4k ultra HD on netflix, the picture settings still seem to stay on SDR mode (technicolor), but when watching netflix content on Dolby Vision, the settings switch to my picture Mode Cinema User mode. What am I missing?

Thanks
That's normal. Your SDR content (480/720/1080/4K SDR) should trigger one set of settings. HDR10 content will trigger another setting, and Dolby Vision will trigger its own settings.
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What are the purported advantages of SL-HDR2 versus Dolby Vision/HDR10+? @sonoftumble , any insight?
HDR10+ is Samsung proprietary, and it looks obvious that Samsung intends on going it alone on this in the hope of selling more TV's. The most obvious advantage of SL-HDR2 from that perspective is that you will not have to go out and buy a Samsung. ( Whew! ).

LG's "Dynamic Contrast" feature basically adds dynamic metadata to HDR10 and HLG on the fly, so I wonder if we may already be seeing SL-HDR 2, ( HDR10 ) and SL-HDR 3 (HLG) in action without knowing it.

What I like most about Advanced HDR ( SL-HDR 1-3 ) is that we won't have to worry about tone mapping. Like HLG, the content is mapped to the display's nit capability, instead of mapping the display to the content - and uses traditional gamma curves - so calibration is a breeze - relatively speaking.

The coolest part of Advanced HDR is SL-HDR1. SL-HDR1 is format agnostic, and will allow the embedded transport of any HDR format including DV, HDR10, HLG ( and whatever comes next ) through an 8 bit pipe and then break it out once it arrives on the TV. For SDR TV's the signal will look the same, but for HDR TV's that know what this signal is, it will be spectacular. DV is already 8 bit during transport, so this is the perfect way to get DV content ( or HDR10/HLG/etc ) into broadcast/cable/sat. I don't know how much I want to watch the local news in HDR, but sporting events will look amazing.
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Yes, your son can buy a new OLED for you if he burns this one. And if he is working to pay you back he can’t burn the new one

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OLED + 4K/HDR steaming + blue ray

Note: I love this forum, but I made this topic new because it is generic to all OLED TVs in my opinion. But was asked to repost in my brand of tv. I think others, of different brands and models will miss out. Can’t say I agree with this policy.

Anyway, I’ve had my LG OLED for about 2 months now. I’m quite pleased with it and a bit confused. I don’t have a 4K/HDR disk player, so I can’t test it’s full capabilities.

I am so pleased on the 4K upscaling and HDR mode of the LG OLED tv. It makes my Blue a Ray discs look amazing. I watched black panther last night and was in heaven. All my other blue rays look amazing. The LG upscale and HDR mode even make SD discs look great. (As great as they can be).

The confusion comes from streaming 4K/HDR/Dolby Vision titles. No doubt they look amazing compared to normal HD streaming and my Directv in HD. Again, the LG OLED is amazing. But even though the tv streaming and my Roku streaming 4K/HDR/Dolby Vision looks amazing, it doesn’t look much better, if at all, to my Blue Ray being upscaled and with HDR mode with the LG OLED. I can only imagine what a true 4K/HDR/Dolby Vision dvd would look like.

I know there is loss on streaming. Even though I have excellent internet with very low latency, I know there’s loss. I guess I just expected 4K/HDR/Dolby Vision, even streaming, to blow blue ray out of the water. But again, it’s probably that the LG OLED tv is great at upscaling and HDR mode for the blue ray. Don’t get me wrong. The streaming 4K/HDR/Dolby Vision is excellent, and probably better than the upscaled blue ray in HDR mode, I just expected a major difference. I really didn’t want to upgrade to a 4K/HDR/Dolby Vision disc player yet, but I would be curious. I think my next upgrade with be for audio. Going from my 5.1 to an Atmos/DTS-X avr first.

Oh well, I’m definitely enjoying the tv and UHD/HDR/Dolby Vision along with upscaled blue ray. That’s all that matters.

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They had a firmware update that made HDR game mode less bright but with better tone mapping I think it was. When I first played Battlefront 2 on my B7, my jaw hit the floor. I didn't realize HDR gaming looked so good. But for those who want their gaming super duper bright they are going to be disappointed. I know LG is aware of the issue, their response is to turn on dynamic contrast to get some of that brightness back.
Is LG still issuing firmware updates to 2017 models (B7A) to continue to correct this issue?

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Ya my son is on it everyday, playing online with his friends. It wasn't bad when he had hockey 4 nights a week but the season is over and soccer is only 2 days a week, so he has more time to game. I love watching movies with the wife, so I was super excited about the B7 but I can't stop debating in my head, if I made a mistake going with the B7 because of the risk of BI from my son's gaming habits?
I used to have all my classic consoles(SNES, Genesis, etc) on my 65C7 and it looked absolutely amazing with scanlines due to OLED doing per pixel lighting. One day I was playing Streets of Rage 2 all the way through and noticed that the sides were "brighter" due to the game being 4:3. After that I moved all my classic consoles to a TCL TV. I only game 16:9 games and make sure I don't have static HUDs.

Honestly if I were you I'd tell your son to take the gaming to another TV in the household or better yet invest in a gaming monitor. Sure it's added cost but it'll give you piece of mind and have better input delay than the OLED. I won't put my $3000 display at risk for some games that can be better served with a better experience on a cheaper panel.

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Is LG still issuing firmware updates to 2017 models (B7A) to continue to correct this issue?


That’s the problem, it’s working as intended. For those looking for more brightness, you’ll probably have to look somewhere else or deal with it as is.
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